How Was This PLANET Created?

[ZaekanoYto]

Originally Posted by RomaniaSTEAUA4

One of the smartest man of this forum. You gained my respect

Wow someone respects me
Do you remember my username?

Originally Posted by TheBlaDk

So, do you believe in evolution or that a "god" created two persons, who should be the start of humanity?
Evolution is science, while the other one is religion. You cannot fully believe in both science and religion.
By the way, science has never given any proof for a "god", so until now it has explained everything without a "god".
You can always say a "god" created everything. That's easy. But it would be very nice if you at lease came up with some arguments.
Also, now that people say a "god" created everything, who created a "god" then?
If he has always been there, why can you accept that, when you cannot accept that the universe (if we take before and after Big Bang) has always existed?
We don't need a "god" to explain all these things anymore. Thank science.

Wow someone wants arguments.

Well the way I see life.

Yes there would have been evolution.
But God started guiding a simple creature. And then making it complex as we. So God created life and guided evolution to have humans.

Ok The planets wouldn't have been just simply created in that 7 days. And many are not literally true. Because Jesus was using figures of speech. These things had deeper meanings. I actually believe that many of God's sayings are in figures of speech but would mean the truth if you can tell what it is saying.

I dont think there's actually a point that science have to proove it. We are here and without a creator there wouldn't be existence.
God is the creator. The Almighty Ruler. He has supernatural guidance power. And then as so he could have not needed someone else to create him as there is He.

Maybe for people who had read this I have helped them believe in God no matter what Science had. Stay good

Have I answered your point of the question or did I not understand and have to say something else?

[Maus652]

So why can't the universe not have a creator, if God doesn't have a creator?
There are so many supernatural claims and so-called events that really, aren't anything at all. Usually explainable in a nice, normal, human way, without needing 'God' to be the answer to everything.

Why can't it be possible for the universe to be one of an infinite number, as each collapses, creating a new one, or colliding the edges and going "boom"?

If we go with the pretty conclusive principal that particles and energy can't be destroyed or created, merely changed, then that's a pretty basic idea to back up the idea of infinite universes, and there's no creator required, at all.


As I've said before: For a lump of rock, we're pretty fortunate. If we'd kept propelling forwards even just a little bit, we'd be too hot to have life, and if we had stopped propelling a little sooner - that is to say, away from the sun - we'd be too cool.


No need for some guy to go "hm. If I place you juuuuuuuuuust here..... yep. there we go. Now grow, my pretties, grow."

Not in my world, anyway. I'm quite happy knowing/thinking/believing* there's no puppet master.



*pick as you like. I don't really care.
Lol religious arguments.

[TheBlaDk]

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

Wow someone wants arguments.

Yes please.
I'm hungry.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

Well the way I see life.

Yes there would have been evolution.
But God started guiding a simple creature. And then making it complex as we. So God created life and guided evolution to have humans.

I respect that, but I don't understand why you need the "god" in there at all. Some carbon could have arrived on Earth, from a meteor or already been here since the nearby supernova that might have had a big influence on our solar system might have contained carbon (since the star had been fusioning carbon before it reached iron and went BOOOOM ())... Ok... But that carbon could've ended up on Earth and formed random molecular structures that would become organic life.
Also, I don't see any reason why a "god" would be needed for evolution at all. As the life becomes multicelluar and in the end big animals, these animals will start to hunt each other, since they will all need something to grow of. The species will always have variants inside them, like all human are diffrent. The strongest of these will survive, for example a lion may hunt a slow antilope (or whatever they hunt :P) rather than a fast antilope, since it's easier to catch. So, the fast antilope might continue living and it's children (or whatever they're called :P) will have some of it's genes.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

Ok The planets wouldn't have been just simply created in that 7 days. And many are not literally true. Because Jesus was using figures of speech. These things had deeper meanings. I actually believe that many of God's sayings are in figures of speech but would mean the truth if you can tell what it is saying.

Then we just need the proof for the "holy books" to be anything a "god" has said.
There was also a list of contradictions posted earlier in one of these debates, which makes it unlikely for me to think that a "god" should've said it. To me it's very very unlikely a "god" should exist at all, but just to point it out.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

I dont think there's actually a point that science have to proove it. We are here and without a creator there wouldn't be existence.
God is the creator. The Almighty Ruler. He has supernatural guidance power. And then as so he could have not needed someone else to create him as there is He.

What do you mean with this?

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

We are here and without a creator there wouldn't be existence.

Science can easily describe how it all happened without a "god". As Maus said about the multiverses, as I said in how the solar system was formed and as I told about evolution.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

Maybe for people who had read this I have helped them believe in God no matter what Science had. Stay good

Why is it "good" to believe in a "god"? Is it not better to be critical to information instead of believing just because it sounds "good"? We, the humans, have the power of science and technology. We should use it to seek information instead of just believing in what feels "good".
In my opinion at least. And in the end, I also think that must feel much better.
But nature is hard, perhaps just too hard for us to understand?

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

Have I answered your point of the question or did I not understand and have to say something else?

You have answered my prevous question, but it has probably mostly raised more questions, as the need for a "god" didn't grow and there wasn't so much proof.

[Reaver4567]

because if you doesn't believe in god, you're an atheist and you will get into my blacklist and I will send you all into my genocide camps, MUAHAHAHA!!! that is, if I somehow managed to take over the world and went power mad...

[TheBlaDk]

Originally Posted by Reaver4567

because if you doesn't believe in god, you're an atheist and you will get into my blacklist and I will send you all into my genocide camps, MUAHAHAHA!!! that is, if I somehow managed to take over the world and went power mad...

What do you say because to?
Is there any arguments in that, or is it just irony, sarcasm, for fun or whatever you call it? :P

[Reaver4567]

tongue-in-cheek, the call it that :P

[MizVoldemort]

I voted for science.

Without going into the deep mechanics of religious explainations or scientific theories...

A religious explaination is easier to understand. God felt creative and seven days later here we were. Tada.

But even though I might not understand all the science - string theory, quantum mechanics and Higgs Bosons - I know that science goes forward. It strives to prove itself wrong so it can come up with a new more accurate theory. There are questions on both sides of the religion-science debate, but science strives (and often succeeds) to answer them instead of relying on faith. The stuff I've learnt in the genetics side of my biology A Level was what my mum was discovering in her degree and job.

In short, religious explainations of the world's creation are static. There's only one Torah, one Bible and one Qur'an, and they're not rewritten when a breakthrough is made. Science is evolving and updating as our understanding of the world evolves.

[Torrrrrrrrrrres]

Religion is my way, i am to belive religon.
I want to go to heaven, i belive in all of that stuff.
I want to be a good person, i want to meet God myself, now that would be a TRUE honour.

[TheBlaDk]

Originally Posted by MizVoldemort

I voted for science.

Without going into the deep mechanics of religious explainations or scientific theories...

A religious explaination is easier to understand. God felt creative and seven days later here we were. Tada.

But even though I might not understand all the science - string theory, quantum mechanics and Higgs Bosons - I know that science goes forward. It strives to prove itself wrong so it can come up with a new more accurate theory. There are questions on both sides of the religion-science debate, but science strives (and often succeeds) to answer them instead of relying on faith. The stuff I've learnt in the genetics side of my biology A Level was what my mum was discovering in her degree and job.

In short, religious explainations of the world's creation are static. There's only one Torah, one Bible and one Qur'an, and they're not rewritten when a breakthrough is made. Science is evolving and updating as our understanding of the world evolves.

That were some very clever words, without doubt one of the most clever posts I've ever read on the forum. You deserve a megaphone!
Without knowing much about any of them, you've still managed to pick one side and with some very good arguments.

[X3F Maxi]

Science. 100%. God doesnt excist.

[Scotsman09]

obviously by God-how else?

[TheBlaDk]

Originally Posted by Scotsman09

obviously by God-how else?

Read the above posts?

[RomaniaSTEAUA4]

Originally Posted by TheBlaDk

Read the above posts?

And who the lalalala made the big bang

[Maus652]

A collapsing universe, one of infinite universes, causing particles to react and explode and expand, creating a new one.

Or perhaps the edges of two universes collided, and such.


Who the lalalala made God?

[X3F Maxi]

so something has to be "made" to justify its existance people?

[Reaver4567]

Originally Posted by Maus652

A collapsing universe, one of infinite universes, causing particles to react and explode and expand, creating a new one.

Or perhaps the edges of two universes collided, and such.


Who the lalalala made God?

no one did...

[ZaekanoYto]

Originally Posted by TheBlaDk

Yes please.
I'm hungry.

What! You want arguments.
Ok as you can see we/I have school so my replies will be in a few days in time and not day after day. Well here comes this time

Because existing matter and life must have come from pre-existing ones.
Well atleast maybe once there was a time that from the no life some life arises.

But yet how do you explain the so many events in life that seem to go with religion. Huh? Where does this spirits come from? Where does this prayers coming true, so many miracles why?
I think this events that our Earth has been created had mega coincidences. Like that nature had mega coincidences creating genetics. Mega coincidences that a body gained genetics yet at the same time with metabolisn. This all seems pretty amazing. So there must have been a creator.

God is so powerful he did not needed someone else to create him as there is He.

Good thing I answered your previous question. Now have I answered your new one?


God seems to be testing us if our faith is strong enough and then so he did not make explanations on how the world was created and his word's purpose was actually telling us the right and wrong things to do, not to answer how things work, but how to do good deeds. Also if he tried to explain we just might not understand as our normal simple minds are in no match onto the science of this all.


Gosh that poll... wthe if we continue making serious post here were stupid
I mean like "by groovybluedog" "by you" "by sims-your-talk.com"

[TheBlaDk]

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

What! You want arguments.
Ok as you can see we/I have school so my replies will be in a few days in time and not day after day. Well here comes this time

Because existing matter and life must have come from pre-existing ones.
Well atleast maybe once there was a time that from the no life some life arises.

That's correct. E=mc^2. Matter cannot be created, only by energy, which then disappears. Then the matter can turn back into energy.
Nothing says here has not always been matter and/or energy. Here could be infinite multiverses, or universes could be parts of even bigger structures, like galaxies are parts of universes.
We don't know what happened before Big Bang, but it would seem very unlogical if the universe was the only one and it was all "created" by a "god", now that everything works fine without so far.
The life was also formed from matter before it became life. Random molecules could have come together, and become primitive cells, which then evolved into us over billions of years.
The problem is we are so big that it's hard for us to understand everything at such a small or big scale. We just don't get the scale, and that might be the reason why religions were made. Because before we knew all this science, we did not have any of the explanations we wanted, so we made them up ourselves.
That's how I think it all happened.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

But yet how do you explain the so many events in life that seem to go with religion. Huh? Where does this spirits come from?

Please explain spirits. As far as I am aware of, here are no spirits.
If you mean your thoughts, and there is a "spirit" inside you with all your fellings and that kind of stuff, I can tell you that your thoughts and feelings are only electric impulses your nerve cells create, which are sent to your brain. Along with hormones.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

Where does this prayers coming true, so many miracles why?

Please explain what you mean with "prayers" coming true. If you mean you "pray" to a "god" for something to happen, like you win in a lottery, then the chance is always there, also before praying, and the chance doesn't change because of the prayer.
The chance is very small, but since we are so many people, strange and unexpected things will always happen - ofc not as often as they don't, but that's logic. If one million people participate in a lottery, a houndred thousand "prays" to win, one of them do, the one that does thinks it's a miracle and a "god" made it happen. But if the chance was 1/1.000.000, it's not unlikely one of the participators will win. One of the participaters won, so the statistic worked. The one who won was randomly one of those who prayed, that's my explanation. Praying makes no diffrence, and miracles are only miracles on a small scale, but on a large scale they're logic statistics that are easily explainable without anything "supernatural".

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

I think this events that our Earth has been created had mega coincidences. Like that nature had mega coincidences creating genetics. Mega coincidences that a body gained genetics yet at the same time with metabolisn. This all seems pretty amazing. So there must have been a creator.

As I said before, we think it's a miracle because we don't understand the scale. The universe is huge, there are 200 billion stars in our galaxy, all with the possabilities of having multiple planets. And there are about 200 billion galaxies in the visible universe. That leaves our Sun one of about 200 quardrillion stars in the visible universe. Our planet is one of the eight planets orbiting it. Now, the chance of all these strange things happening might be small, but think about the vastness of space.
This is the lottery on a very big scale.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

God is so powerful he did not needed someone else to create him as there is He.

So, "he" has always been there? Now, where's the problem with our universe only being a part of the cycle of the probably endless multiverses?
If "he" has not always been here, I assume "he" did not have the power to create "himself" before "he" was here. That must mean not everything has been "created" by a "god".

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

Good thing I answered your previous question. Now have I answered your new one?

I don't find the answers to my questions explainable, but they're still answers. I'd like some proof for a "god", instead of explaining it with statistics that don't require a "god" at all.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

God seems to be testing us if our faith is strong enough and then so he did not make explanations on how the world was created and his word's purpose was actually telling us the right and wrong things to do, not to answer how things work, but how to do good deeds. Also if he tried to explain we just might not understand as our normal simple minds are in no match onto the science of this all.

If a "god" can do everything, I assume "he" could easily explain everything to us? Also, these simple stereotypes(?) in the bible were unneeded I guess, as telling that there was 4.000 cavalry units one time and 40.000 another time just makes our "simple minds" more troubled than it would if the right number was written.
But while we can always make up more solutions for this with out mind, like "he" is testing us, I only think it makes it more obvious that there is no "god". Science explains much more, but is also harder to understand. But science always has research and logic behind, and I think that's what makes the diffrence, science will go for the truth while religions will stay the same.

[MizVoldemort]

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

Where does this prayers coming true, so many miracles why?

Say a 'one in a million' event comes true for you. It's a miracle, right?

Well, if you're in the UK, then the same 'miracle' has happened to 61 other people. Not that spectacular. If you're in the USA then you're one of 303. In China one of 1,330. You'd think you were special if a one in a million event happened, but really there are thousands also having the miracle.

[X3F Maxi]

Anyone who believes the story that is "the bible", is sadly deluded.

[BL3SS_T3H_F4LL]

Originally Posted by RomaniaSTEAUA4

And who the lalalala made the big bang

Obviously god farted.

[markyosullivan]

God.
How can the Big Bang theory happen with nothing to make it happen?

"Mass cannot be created or destroyed but simply changed from one form to another"

[chemicalrubber]

Originally Posted by markyosullivan

God.
How can the Big Bang theory happen with nothing to make it happen?

"Mass cannot be created or destroyed but simply changed from one form to another"

There is something to make it happen. The universe did not start off with nothing, but with a extremely dense singularity.

[ZaekanoYto]

I'm not saying that God just simply made matter like a cow coming out from thin air.
But God guided psysics to form matter like freezing water to form ice.

Originally Posted by TheBlaDk

So, "he" has always been there? Now, where's the problem with our universe only being a part of the cycle of the probably endless multiverses?
If "he" has not always been here, I assume "he" did not have the power to create "himself" before "he" was here. That must mean not everything has been "created" by a "god".

If a "god" can do everything, I assume "he" could easily explain everything to us? Also, these simple stereotypes(?) in the bible were unneeded I guess, as telling that there was 4.000 cavalry units one time and 40.000 another time just makes our "simple minds" more troubled than it would if the right number was written.
But while we can always make up more solutions for this with out mind, like "he" is testing us, I only think it makes it more obvious that there is no "god". Science explains much more, but is also harder to understand. But science always has research and logic behind, and I think that's what makes the diffrence, science will go for the truth while religions will stay the same.

Haha it's been fun talking with you. But whats with such a long post. Can you be brief

But God is not made up of physical means but is spiritual.

I did not say he can do anything. But I do believe he has maximum intelligence.

And I said God was just stating in the bible what deeds we're suppose to do. Why do God need to explain Science?

Originally Posted by markyosullivan

God.
How can the Big Bang theory happen with nothing to make it happen?
"Mass cannot be created or destroyed but simply changed from one form to another"

But there is. Science just have not explained it yet how it came to be.

Originally Posted by chemicalrubber

There is something to make it happen. The universe did not start off with nothing, but with a extremely dense singularity.

No
The Universe got so stressed with nothingness that it formed something

Originally Posted by BL3SS_T3H_F4LL

Obviously god farted.

Someone ban this guy for abusing Science and God
I'm kidding

[TheBlaDk]

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

I'm not saying that God just simply made matter like a cow coming out from thin air.
But God guided psysics to form matter like freezing water to form ice.

Freezing water doesn't form ice, it becomes ice. There are still just as many molecules in the ice as in the water before.
If you meant create by form. Doubt you did, but anyways...

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

Haha it's been fun talking with you. But whats with such a long post. Can you be brief

I will write my posts as long as I want to. They should hopefully make it easier for people to understand, when there are more examples and arguments.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

But God is not made up of physical means but is spiritual.

I'd like you to define spiritual. Does the word have any useful meaning at all, or is it just made to "evade existence, proof and truth"? Because that's all I get out of it.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

I did not say he can do anything. But I do believe he has maximum intelligence.

Okay, so you mean all "he" can do and ever has done is to think? He has not "created" anything?
As soon as you say "he" made Big Bang, "he" made Earth or anything like that, he has done something.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

And I said God was just stating in the bible what deeds we're suppose to do. Why do God need to explain Science?

"He" doesn't. But I'm just showing how all these contradictions makes it unlikely that all of what's written in the book has any truth behind it.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

But there is. Science just have not explained it yet how it came to be.

Are you sure? Most of the time, people just don't know it or they don't understand it. It's always easy to say "Science has not explained this and that", but most of the time they just don't know it.
You can ask and I'll try to explain it.

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

No
The Universe got so stressed with nothingness that it formed something

That is wrong.
When Big Bang happened, all matter/energy in the current universe was there. This may be a sign of a prevous universe. Also, nothing says that our universe is anything special. We may not know if there are other universes beyond our own.
But ofc the matter did not come out of nothing. As Einstein found out, e=mc^2... Matter cannot be created.

And hey, I found a contradiction:

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

I'm not saying that God just simply made matter like a cow coming out from thin air.
But God guided psysics to form matter like freezing water to form ice.

- You say a "god" did something (guides).

Originally Posted by ZaekanoYto

I did not say he can do anything. But I do believe he has maximum intelligence.

- You claim you haven't said a "god" could do anything.

Also, thinking (having intelligence) is to do something. If you don't mean "he" has it but doesn't use it.