EURO 2008 DEMO - Constructive Criticism

[UkHardcore23]

Originally Posted by TT31P

I saw the comments about walking with the ball and beating defenders, so I gave it a try. If you don't use the sprint button you can literally walk by defenders by doing nothing more then changing direction. I even walked by a few defenders and they didn't even try to tackle me or run back to defend. It's actually easier to score if you don't even try. This really has me worried now, I know it's semi-pro but even on amateur difficulty you shouldn't be able to just walk by defenders.

Try it with your own goalkeeper

[OwynJnr]

Crosses.

Press once for normal, twice for low and three times for a ground cross. What it doesn't do is give you enough time on the low cross to get any degree of power. The player just chips the ball in.

[OwynJnr]

Also; AI subs. I'm winning 1-0 with Germany and there's 20 minutes to go. Their manager takes off Gallas and brings on Mexes.

Non-sensical.

[OwynJnr]

I am a fan of the game, though.

[OwynJnr]

/quadruple post

[Jon37]

Originally Posted by BrianBscotty

You feel the same as me. Now that I can use the controls well, I love the game. I play on World Class and have some great games. And many are 3-2 affairs where the CPU has me so frustrated I want to toss my controller. Then I get a drive into the box and get a wild bounce of a defender and get that creeper into the bottom left and I just am loving it. I just wish that I could switch to entirely manual controls. I haven't gotten the shooting down yet, it's on Semi. But all the others are manual and I love it. To me this new meter is gonna kill it. I like that I have to guess to gauge the strength of the pass. Don't real players have to determine their touch under great pressure? And since the auto passing is broken and always seems to pick the exact wrong guy with the wrong touch, I trust myself much more. And don't get me to raving about the Pro Cam. I couldn't fathom buying this game if it isn't in the Tournament mode. I don't see how anyone could play with any other cam. It's so dynamic and immersive. Just because I watch football sideways doesn't mean that I want to play it sideways. It's funny. I watch the Champions League coverage and they were using some camera moves that reminded me of the Pro Cam. Oh well, Glad to hear that someone else loves 08 like I do. Hopefully 09 is an evolution of 08 that incorporates the good of UEFA while continuing to reach for the "sim" pinnacle.....

Hi, I just lost 2 games in a row with Man Utd - serves me right for resting Ronaldo and starting Gi sung park, acting cocky and trying to do tricks in defence for the sake of it because the opposition teams (blackburn/ Derby in cup) aren't that good, and trying to score wonder goals in the middle of the pitch rather that ensuring goals with my trusty right-wing crossing from Giggsy.

In utter disappointment I slammed the controller down, punched the bed and swore a few times. Then I realised - Thats what football management is all about (like it or lump it), and fifa 08 is the closest I will ever get to the real thing. Once I won 6-0 on the euro 08 demo and wasnt in the least bit bothered. Now I finally understand how real-life managers feel; but you know what - i wouldn't have it any other way.

Right, I'm got a potentially tricky priemier league class with villa to get on with. Now if only I can stop Ashley Young with his crossing.................

[BrianBscotty]

Originally Posted by Jon37

Hi, I just lost 2 games in a row with Man Utd - serves me right for resting Ronaldo and starting Gi sung park, acting cocky and trying to do tricks in defence for the sake of it because the opposition teams (blackburn/ Derby in cup) aren't that good, and trying to score wonder goals in the middle of the pitch rather that ensuring goals with my trusty right-wing crossing from Giggsy.

In utter disappointment I slammed the controller down, punched the bed and swore a few times. Then I realised - Thats what football management is all about (like it or lump it), and fifa 08 is the closest I will ever get to the real thing. Once I won 6-0 on the euro 08 demo and wasnt in the least bit bothered. Now I finally understand how real-life managers feel; but you know what - i wouldn't have it any other way.

Right, I'm got a potentially tricky priemier league class with villa to get on with. Now if only I can stop Ashley Young with his crossing.................

I feel your pain. I've had some matches against the likes of Derby that just drive me nuts. I'll have exp. points to burn and get lazy and then I'm fighting for my life against a relegation bound squad. Or the referee gets in cahoots with the weaker squad and they beat me to death without so much as a foul call. Heck, I almost lost all of my stars last season. I wasn't watching how long I had left on their contracts and the CPU only offered to sign 3 scrubs. Next thing I know my first match of my seventh year I have no Rooney, Ronaldo, Anderson, Nani or Hargreaves. The best attackers I have left is Demarcus Beasley, who I'd signed my first year after I sold Park, and Tevez. So I end up having to sign them all as free agents, which actually cost me less. Of course my Team Chemistry tanks. But I mess up yet again and resign my whole squad as to not have this happen again. I don't watch my funds and end up with $5700 dollars in the budget. This is with a month to go. The next match I go into the red (away match) and my Job Security tanks, dropping to 38 percent going into the ECC final (98 to 38 percent in a month). I get an e-mail telling me that I might need to think more about those who write the cheques and that the board hates me. But I win and they rehire me. This last year was the hardest yet....But the best trying to hold it all together......I hope 09 is an extension of this, I love the whole package, warts and all..........

[BoulDvd]

Originally Posted by amenrah73

I don't like the graphics...really it's about PES laughable.

I don't like the 6% increase of speed...it's the ball that moves fast...not the players. In reall life sprints don't last continuously all game long.

The flow of the game is rediculously unreal...theres is no pause of play or speed up or build up...just robotic fast pace nonsense.

I don't like the ease of scoring...where's the AI?


The goal celebrations practically slows down the frame rate so bad...that I can't even imagine how online is going to be.


I'm very dissapointed...I thought we were heading in a great direction with FIFA09.

Did I mention the game looks like poo?

Tend To agree

[CowRonaldo]

Originally Posted by Jon37

Hi, I just lost 2 games in a row with Man Utd - serves me right for resting Ronaldo and starting Gi sung park, acting cocky and trying to do tricks in defence for the sake of it because the opposition teams (blackburn/ Derby in cup) aren't that good, and trying to score wonder goals in the middle of the pitch rather that ensuring goals with my trusty right-wing crossing from Giggsy.

In utter disappointment I slammed the controller down, punched the bed and swore a few times. Then I realised - Thats what football management is all about (like it or lump it), and fifa 08 is the closest I will ever get to the real thing. Once I won 6-0 on the euro 08 demo and wasnt in the least bit bothered. Now I finally understand how real-life managers feel; but you know what - i wouldn't have it any other way.

Right, I'm got a potentially tricky priemier league class with villa to get on with. Now if only I can stop Ashley Young with his crossing.................

Too bad over half the games **** you off. I play video games to have fun, and not to get ****ed off. I noticed that I was having more bad times than good times with FIFA 08, and that's put me off.

And for the wrong reasons it ****es me and other people off too. It's so blatently obvious when the CPU is forcing goals on you and all you can do is sit and watch. Hell, I've even had times where the CPU missed goals on purpose to keep the game consistent. Ex. CPU shoots on GK, GK parries, ball in air, CPU headers and hits post, GK on ground, CPU heads wide of open goal. I don't see how winning games in a fashion like that can make someone happy. Feels like the CPU decides human vs. CPU games before it kicks off.


We all appreciate a difficult game, but it should only be done if it's fair to both sides.

[Jon37]

Originally Posted by CowRonaldo

Too bad over half the games **** you off. I play video games to have fun, and not to get ****ed off. I noticed that I was having more bad times than good times with FIFA 08, and that's put me off.

And for the wrong reasons it ****es me and other people off too. It's so blatently obvious when the CPU is forcing goals on you and all you can do is sit and watch. Hell, I've even had times where the CPU missed goals on purpose to keep the game consistent. Ex. CPU shoots on GK, GK parries, ball in air, CPU headers and hits post, GK on ground, CPU heads wide of open goal. I don't see how winning games in a fashion like that can make someone happy. Feels like the CPU decides human vs. CPU games before it kicks off.


We all appreciate a difficult game, but it should only be done if it's fair to both sides.

I do agree that games should be fun rather than a test of your patience. However gamers do need a challenge and thats what FIFA gives you. And if its too hard - go on an easier difficultly setting!!! All that stuff about fifa not being fair is rubbish in my opinion. If you are good enough; you'll win the match your playing most of the time - simple

[CowRonaldo]

The difficulty is not the problem, the game is just not fun once you start to know it. When you're offline, the CPU isn't fun to play. They can turn quicker and if they want a goal they will get it. Some may not agree, but it's noticeable after 1-2 months of playing. And online has tonssss of fluke goals. People score them on me, I score them on other people. My point is that I don't have fun winning by a fluke goal. I want to feel I've dominated and won because of that. Of course there's the occassional lose/win by bad luck like teams do in real life. But I'd like that to be 1/10 games instead of 1/3.

So I think Euro 08 is a good game. I'd actually like harder difficulty and slower game pace in FIFA 09 if they can fix the AI and response in that too. But these 2 negatives are very outweighed by the positives.

And when you mentioned to lower the difficulty, shouldn't that apply to Euro 08? We can just raise the difficultly. I also have a feeling semi-pro game will be harder than semi-pro demo, but we'll only find out when the game comes out. EA has a tendency to realease bad demos (which I don't understand since a lot base their opinions on them like it can be seen in this forum) so maybe the game might be different.

[WarBa5tard13]

Originally Posted by OwynJnr

Also; AI subs. I'm winning 1-0 with Germany and there's 20 minutes to go. Their manager takes off Gallas and brings on Mexes.

Non-sensical.

Completely agree, I find it really stupid when the cpu subs off a CB just to bring on another CB when they need to win the game.

[Jon37]

Originally Posted by CowRonaldo

The difficulty is not the problem, the game is just not fun once you start to know it. When you're offline, the CPU isn't fun to play. They can turn quicker and if they want a goal they will get it. Some may not agree, but it's noticeable after 1-2 months of playing. And online has tonssss of fluke goals. People score them on me, I score them on other people. My point is that I don't have fun winning by a fluke goal. I want to feel I've dominated and won because of that. Of course there's the occassional lose/win by bad luck like teams do in real life. But I'd like that to be 1/10 games instead of 1/3.

So I think Euro 08 is a good game. I'd actually like harder difficulty and slower game pace in FIFA 09 if they can fix the AI and response in that too. But these 2 negatives are very outweighed by the positives.

And when you mentioned to lower the difficulty, shouldn't that apply to Euro 08? We can just raise the difficultly. I also have a feeling semi-pro game will be harder than semi-pro demo, but we'll only find out when the game comes out. EA has a tendency to realease bad demos (which I don't understand since a lot base their opinions on them like it can be seen in this forum) so maybe the game might be different.

Thats a good point about raising the difficulty on euro 2008 to meet your needs I suppose. I'm gona rent Euro 2008 and play in on a higher difficulty (world class prob) and if I like it and I may buy the game. I try not to be biased but and just think that in real-life football games are extremely hard to win; and fifa 08 makes this point very well.

[Jon37]

Originally Posted by CowRonaldo

The difficulty is not the problem, the game is just not fun once you start to know it. When you're offline, the CPU isn't fun to play. They can turn quicker and if they want a goal they will get it. Some may not agree, but it's noticeable after 1-2 months of playing. And online has tonssss of fluke goals. People score them on me, I score them on other people. My point is that I don't have fun winning by a fluke goal. I want to feel I've dominated and won because of that. Of course there's the occassional lose/win by bad luck like teams do in real life. But I'd like that to be 1/10 games instead of 1/3.

So I think Euro 08 is a good game. I'd actually like harder difficulty and slower game pace in FIFA 09 if they can fix the AI and response in that too. But these 2 negatives are very outweighed by the positives.

And when you mentioned to lower the difficulty, shouldn't that apply to Euro 08? We can just raise the difficultly. I also have a feeling semi-pro game will be harder than semi-pro demo, but we'll only find out when the game comes out. EA has a tendency to realease bad demos (which I don't understand since a lot base their opinions on them like it can be seen in this forum) so maybe the game might be different.

Thats a good point about raising the difficulty on euro 2008 to meet your needs I suppose. I'm gona rent Euro 2008 and play in on a higher difficulty (world class prob) and if I like it and I fell like I am being challenged (fairly) then I may buy the game. I try not to be biased but and I just think that in real-life football games are extremely hard to win; and fifa 08 makes this point very well. Only things other than gameplay issues that I dont like on euro 08 is the interactive celebrations (I've already got bored of them), the glitchy cut-scenes, and the impossible-to-score corners. Hopefully they'll be sorted out because they need to be.

[Pompeyfan]

My views on the demo

negatives-

mesh on shirts is far to wrinkled
choppy in some parts escpecially replays
t shirts on the arms move in a trianle when moving
on celebrations sometimes if last 2 secs with no time sometimes it leaves me sprinting to the half way line
gaolkeepers get a 10 rating after each match after 2 saves
they also throw the ball out ***ly and take a while to throw it after pressing and also pass to person right next to him even if u hold bar down to the end
if there is no 5v5 which is likely then thats a negative
bit easy to sprint past whole team i know its semi pro but please
price is a bit high
crowd is horrible
managers wearing tracksuits-not likely me thinks shoud have just had differnet suits on managers
far too many cut scenes of managers 1 a agame is enough
(on xbox version) puddles a bit too far hardly ever are there puddles on a pitch especially in a euro 2008 tournament
commentators are boring
player rating are not consistent viera 87!!!!!
not enough animations of players whilst in gamne eg shouting to team mates or pulling up socks or getting ball after it goes out
to many fouls for sliding infront of a player trying to block a shot

and thats all i can think of apart from that its a great game but i cant be bothered writing out the positives

[DeeH1888]

Originally Posted by Pompeyfan

My views on the demo

negatives-

mesh on shirts is far to wrinkled
choppy in some parts escpecially replays
t shirts on the arms move in a trianle when moving
on celebrations sometimes if last 2 secs with no time sometimes it leaves me sprinting to the half way line
gaolkeepers get a 10 rating after each match after 2 saves
they also throw the ball out ***ly and take a while to throw it after pressing and also pass to person right next to him even if u hold bar down to the end
if there is no 5v5 which is likely then thats a negative
bit easy to sprint past whole team i know its semi pro but please
price is a bit high
crowd is horrible
managers wearing tracksuits-not likely me thinks shoud have just had differnet suits on managers
far too many cut scenes of managers 1 a agame is enough
(on xbox version) puddles a bit too far hardly ever are there puddles on a pitch especially in a euro 2008 tournament
commentators are boring
player rating are not consistent viera 87!!!!!
not enough animations of players whilst in gamne eg shouting to team mates or pulling up socks or getting ball after it goes out
to many fouls for sliding infront of a player trying to block a shot

and thats all i can think of apart from that its a great game but i cant be bothered writing out the positives

Maybe if you didn't spend so much time adding some bloody ridiculous negatives you could have thrown a couple of positives in!!

[M1ZZ0U]

a " positive " was he was consistent with his post direction!

[UkHardcore23]

Originally Posted by DeeH1888

Maybe if you didn't spend so much time adding some bloody ridiculous negatives you could have thrown a couple of positives in!!

Check the name of the thread, this thread was not meant for positive's.

[DeeH1888]

Originally Posted by Pompeyfan

My views on the demo

negatives-

mesh on shirts is far to wrinkled

t shirts on the arms move in a trianle when moving


managers wearing tracksuits-not likely me thinks shoud have just had differnet suits on managers

commentators are boring

There was me thinking it was "constructive criticism".

[Pompeyfan]

ye its constructive it tells them what to fix

and which of my points are un reasonable and like the guy said this thread aint about the positives there are loads of positives its a good game im giving things which should be imporived to make the game better

[Chardballz]

Hey guys.
Im new to these forums so hello!!!

let me begin by saying that i have played FIFA my whole life!
And I love the title.

However that was all tested when FIFA 07 for the 360 was released.

I loved fifa 07 on the xbox/PS2 because it was such a smooth game that would allow for both a passing and free running approach to the game.

its next gen counterpart however was slow, Bulky, and extremely unrealistic.

I tried PES fell in love with it and turned my back on FIFA07

FIFA 08 was a step in the right direction as the game played a bit smoother and seemed to have a focus on passing and positioning.
But i still felt as though my players didn’t run smoothly.
It still felt awkward chunky and slow.

Football is NOT a slow game, The greatest teams in the world are the ones that can hold posession and then play 4-5 passes in as many seconds.

anyway, let me get to the point.

UEFA 2008 is without a doubt the best EA football title on current gen systems.

It reminds me of 07 on the ps2.
i love he fact that you have to put power into even the simplest of passes, Iv played easily over 30-40 games now and have found that balance in power is great.

I also love the crosses.
Running a player down the wing then putting in an early cross is incredibly rewarding when done properly.
Through balls are much the same, being able to control the power and to a certain amount the placement is great.

Im pushing through balls that are landing directly at my players foot whilst on the run.

The shooting is also quite solid, one issue that plagued 08 was that the keeps are easily beaten on there near side.
This doesn’t seem to be an issue in EURO.

The player fluidity is also great! i love that players like Henry can freely and cut angles at a sharper pace, where as defenders have more solid movement but greater strength when running shoulder to shoulder.

As for the wet patches, I love them.

It adds so much more to the game and helps break up the standard rythm of a game.
during one of my matches i pushed a ball through the centre of the field and instead of the ball travelling through to my attacker the ball slowed right down and was intercepted by the opposition.

I didn’t mind though because the same thing happened in return later in the match.
It makes you think about your plays!
And who doesn’t love the length of a slide tackle through water.
Sliding is my favourite aspect of playing a real football game in the wet.

there are a few things i haven’t touched but i could honestly go on all day.
The audience needs some work, and the managers are a bit of a pain, switching players could be a bit more responsive and Im also not a fan of the corners in the game.

Overall though this game has renewed my love in the FIFA/EA football franchise.

The pacing is perfect, i honestly hope that it remains this way.
As i mentioned before, Football is a fluid game.

I really enjoy the game and cant wait to get my hands on a full version.

i know this is a bold statement, But this game has the potential to be the best football title ever created and furthermore has the potential to nock KONAMI off as the leader in football games.

[DeeH1888]

Brilliant post Chardballz. I agree with virtually everything you have said.

[amenrah73]

Can someone get those players in the cut scene an iron? lol

[DeeH1888]

Originally Posted by amenrah73

Can someone get those players in the cut scene an iron? lol

HOW DARE THEIR SHIRTS GET WRINKLED!! Disgraceful from EA, they should be ashamed of themselves!!

[mindVex2]

Since a match of the German Bundesliga (of couse it was my favourite team which lead 1:0 and the goalkeeper saved a penalty - the match will be reset from scratch now) has been aborted on last Friday due to heavy rain I tend to find the puddles unrealistic.

PS: sarcasm