Water stage

Saurus91 · 27-09-2009, 10:55 AM

i think i am speaking for all of us that we want water stage imagine underwater citys submarines and beutyfull wildlife

a planet only filled with water!!!!

or be a tribe in a pond

EA please listsen we want water stage and all its beuty and coolness

castero66 · 27-09-2009, 11:03 AM

Underwater citys should be sooooo cool!

Saurus91 · 27-09-2009, 11:11 AM

yeah the cool part wold bee i wold never leave water and be amphibius
i wold only leave water with my spaceship

or maybe be a crab thingie or something

Rebecca1208 · 27-09-2009, 11:25 AM

So many times, I have seen threads like this be created. Personally, I want a water stage too, but there are reasons why EA couldn't/didn't add it. Also, about half of the community do not want a water stage.

If EA is listening, I would very much like to see them add my idea of a solution

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Creature and Underwater Combo Pack
This is basically an idea of how to solve the whole Water Stage scenario. Many have seen this idea before - not everyone. In depth, the quote below explains hopefully ever area of how the Creature and Underwater Combo Pack may work, fufill the dreams of all the Water Stage campaigners, and not bother all the anti-Water Stage campaigners.

Links to pages, groups and threads:
Creature and Underwater Combo Pack Thread
"The Spore Underwater Stage Compaigners" (social group)
"Anti-Water Stage Compaign" (social group)

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Now, what I propose it that rather than adding a whole new stage, or nothing at all, simply combine the two. The creature stage will be just the same as usual; have a creature and nest, run around killing/befriending things, "Ahh lalalala meteors and UFOs!!" moments and such. But, when you go into the seas and rivers, hold Ctrl+Down while in the water and your creature dives in!!

When your creature is underwater, hold Ctrl when you want to go higher or deeper, otherwise, don't hold Ctrl at all and move around the ocean. Maybe there could be skeletons or fossils on the sea bed to find parts from, and of course groups of creatures to interact with.

Having this enlarged stage will require more parts to make it seem more realistic; like feet, you get tail parts, sails, fins and such to increase underwater-speed. The higher the level, the faster you go. Also have a boost like sprint. We'll also need a new type of part - gills, underwater-lungs etc. The higher the level, the longer you can stay underwater.

Like the health and hunger bars, there should be an additional bar that monitors your breath for when underwater. If it goes all the way down completely, you're creature will begin to lose health, just like when starving. Adding gills with higher levels will increase the amount of time you have underwater.

The problem with the Sea Epic, I'm not so sure on how to fix it. Removing it completely might not be so good. Perhaps during night time the waters are unsafe - go underwater during the night and you'll find the sea epic. OR, just like in the creature stage, have numerous epics wandering the seas - but these epics will only be inclined to the seas, they wont be able to move onto land. The Sea Epic could perhaps be an 'elite epic', which you can not kill. It could also be rare - therefore if you ever find it in any saved game, you get an achievement.

Food - herbivores could eat algae, carnivores eat other creatures, and omnivores it both. Or, we could add a whole new diet; Meat, Fruit, Filalalalahe new diet could possibly lead to a change in archetypes and consequence traits.

When it comes to advancing stages, rather than haveing your species inclined to only land or only sea, why not break it apart and allow them to use both? Land will continue as normal. Tribe - they could swim and gather resources, like the current stage. They could also have primitive boats, sea pets, more tools etc. Civilisation - submarines, possibly undersea bases, control sea epics or sea epics destroy their bases like epics destroy cities etc. Space - find rares underwater, underwater-based missions, spaceships can travel in the sea, and much more.

Best thing about this - if people don't want the water stage, don't go into the water. If you prefer the water stage, spend most of your time in the water stage there! However, with completely submerged creatures like fish, I'm not so sure how to fix that as it would mean fully-submerged tribal, civil and space stages, and I don't think that can work.

RedAlertOn · 27-09-2009, 12:10 PM

yes yes yes!!!

STARFISH75 · 27-09-2009, 02:04 PM

How often I got slated for mensioning this..! 1208 remembers

All the augements for a water stage have alrady been mensioned. I get the impression EA/Maxis do actually listen. A lot of things I wanted added to Spore came in the GA expansion. The water stage would be icing on the cake

The trbial stage needs to be sorted out big time. And an adventure editor for the other stages would be nice. Maybe a 3rd person mode for both the tribal and Civ stage.

For the Water stage to be a great stage the problems in the other stages need to be sorted out too. (including visiting gas/ice giants and nebulae)

Those who've read my previous threads know how much I'm looking forward to the illusive water stage

. The more this get mensioned by different people as they discover Spore, the more likely Ea will do something about this

1two1 · 27-09-2009, 03:52 PM

I want it sooo bad! even if they could slot a fish stage or something inbetween cell and creature that way your cell can evolve to fish and then that could evolve to creaute and continue on like that. At least that would be something, better than nothing.
BRING ON WATER STAGE!

Shrooblord · 27-09-2009, 05:21 PM

How bueatiful that picture may seem, that's an artists' concept. That means that the actual Water Stage could be 100x uglier than that and you all will be disappointed.

But if they can make it THAT pretty and nice to play, then I will be the wrong here.

Takben · 27-09-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrooblord

How bueatiful that picture may seem, that's an artists' concept. That means that the actual Water Stage could be 100x uglier than that and you all will be disappointed.

But if they can make it THAT pretty and nice to play, then I will be the wrong here.

Yes...It would be wonderful if they could make it like that.

STARFISH75 · 27-09-2009, 08:46 PM

It will be the creature stage, with a blue haze and spaceship controls applied to the water creature. the animations will be slightly different, to reflect swimming.

It's not rocket sxience

The tribal and civ tage may need to be different. maybe 3rd person or something RTS would be weird.

look like some of the anti water lobby are back again here we go again

Ghelae · 28-09-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by STARFISH75

spaceship controls applied to the water creature.

That, I think, would be the worst bit about it. The Space Stage controls are horrible. You can't zoom in or out properly, as that function is used to control vertical motion; you can't see what's behind you without doing a 180-degree turn and making what was behind you in front of you; and you can't do either of those two things or anything else while the game is paused. Even compared to the 2D view of Cell Stage, that would feel like a step backwards.
I suppose that they could modify it so that right-click rotates the camera and that left-click is used for actions, just like in Creature Stage, but that then leaves the controls for zooming in and out/ascending or descending in the water (and if you decide that ascending/descending should be a different set of controls, then you've basically got Creature Stage controls with an extra couple of buttons to change your depth. Nothing like Spaceship controls at all).

Eddaxar · 28-09-2009, 05:12 PM

I don't find problems with the controls, I like the settings for it...

Takben · 28-09-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddaxar

I don't find problems with the controls, I like the settings for it...

Same here, I wouldn't personaly change them at all...

Shrooblord · 28-09-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghelae

I suppose that they could modify it so that right-click rotates the camera and that left-click is used for actions, just like in Creature Stage, but that then leaves the controls for zooming in and out/ascending or descending in the water (and if you decide that ascending/descending should be a different set of controls, then you've basically got Creature Stage controls with an extra couple of buttons to change your depth. Nothing like Spaceship controls at all).

I'd do it like that. A bit like Rayman 2 style: A+Up is ascend; Z+Down is decend; up,down,left and right is move.

Takben · 28-09-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrooblord

I'd do it like that. A bit like Rayman 2 style: A+Up is ascend; Z+Down is decend; up,down,left and right is move.

I don't know...I think I wouldn't mind if they did it like that, but I've gotten used to this way...

STARFISH75 · 01-10-2009, 09:41 PM

[QUOTE=Ghelae;11421047]That, I think, would be the worst bit about it. The Space Stage controls are horrible. You can't zoom in or out properly, as that function is used to control vertical motion;QUOTE]

...or we could have the creature controls and button bash the spacebar to make the sporefish go up!

TheMrZ · 01-10-2009, 10:47 PM

w=accelerate
s=slow down/swim back
a and d = turn

mouse wheel: adjust pitch
shift+mouse wheel = zoom
right mouse button = look around

solved, no?

Karagianis · 07-10-2009, 08:50 PM

controls for underwater is easy, swimming is just flying but wetter. Use the space stage starship controlls.

TheMrZ · 07-10-2009, 09:21 PM

Space stage controls are lacking, hence what I just suggested.

Chickenkeeper · 18-10-2009, 05:36 PM

Well I think It would work, because the first prototype of spore (when will Wright did his university presentation of it in 2004/5) did have a water stage inbetween cell and creature, that was brilliant. I think they took it out of the final version because it took up too much space. (on the disk / computer). Plus, the controls should be WASD for forwards, backwards, left and right (strafe), and the middle mouse key for pitch and direction. (like controlling the camera for making adventures in Galactic Adventures)

Deza007 · 18-10-2009, 05:49 PM

Fail.
For underwater tribes to make tools they need fire. Fire underwater = Fail.

123defacto · 18-10-2009, 06:45 PM

Then remodel the entire tribal stage!
It was stupidly simple anyway...
In the old 2005 tribal, the tribal stage started out with no huts, no tools, and no campfire.
just a couple of newly sentinent creatures.
And then you simply invented all that.

TheMrZ · 18-10-2009, 07:28 PM

no, you don't need fire to make tools underwater.

You need fire to make torches, but that's different. An underwater equivalent would be cool.

As for spears, horns, axes etc, the water has no effect on those.

123defacto · 18-10-2009, 08:07 PM

And when we're at it why not add:

Procedural animation of creature movements and dancing.

The sporepdia type shown in the 2006 video

Less cartoonish style

In the 2005 video, will said that there was equivalent species to the ones in startrek, are there? nope.

See the skeleton instead of a spine in the creature creator.

And better storyline for spacestage!

Ghelae · 19-10-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 123defacto

Then remodel the entire tribal stage!
It was stupidly simple anyway...
In the old 2005 tribal, the tribal stage started out with no huts, no tools, and no campfire.
just a couple of newly sentinent creatures.
And then you simply invented all that.

Yeah, that sort of Tribal Stage would probably be better. The Tribal Stage definitely needs to be changed at some point. I think many of us would like to play a game where it feels somewhat like we're actually in control of what our species does and what it technology it develops...

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Originally Posted by TheMrZ

no, you don't need fire to make tools underwater.

You need fire to make torches, but that's different. An underwater equivalent would be cool.

As for spears, horns, axes etc, the water has no effect on those.

Well, the spearheads are actually made of metal, if you look at the throwing spears hut. But they wouldn't need to be for underwater tribes.

Tribal Stage isn't really difficult to work out underwater. The main problem is in Civ Stage - how do tanks work without combustion? Are they towed by fish? Is their gun fired by sticking a pistol shrimp by the bottom of the barrel?
I wouldn't really be opposed to a water stage - although it should preferably after many of the other problems with the game are sorted out - but until somebody can work out an almost-realistic way of developing the necessary technology for Civ and early Space Stage, then I really don't think that it should continue past Creature level.

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Originally Posted by 123defacto

In the 2005 video, will said that there was equivalent species to the ones in startrek, are there? nope.

What did it mean by that, then? Some of the Star Trek species do seem to match up with some of the Spore archetypes - Ferengi are Traders, Klingons are Warriors, the Borg are Grox, for example. What were you expecting?

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27-09-2009, 10:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
Saurus91 Rookie Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 212	Water stage i think i am speaking for all of us that we want water stage imagine underwater citys submarines and beutyfull wildlife a planet only filled with water!!!! or be a tribe in a pond EA please listsen we want water stage and all its beuty and coolness __________________ Hare is my spore page ---> Sporepedia <---

27-09-2009, 11:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
Saurus91 Rookie Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 212	yeah the cool part wold bee i wold never leave water and be amphibius i wold only leave water with my spaceship or maybe be a crab thingie or something __________________ Hare is my spore page ---> Sporepedia <---

27-09-2009, 02:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
STARFISH75 Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: London Gender: Male Posts: 784	Who voted Nah!! How often I got slated for mensioning this..! 1208 remembers All the augements for a water stage have alrady been mensioned. I get the impression EA/Maxis do actually listen. A lot of things I wanted added to Spore came in the GA expansion. The water stage would be icing on the cake The trbial stage needs to be sorted out big time. And an adventure editor for the other stages would be nice. Maybe a 3rd person mode for both the tribal and Civ stage. For the Water stage to be a great stage the problems in the other stages need to be sorted out too. (including visiting gas/ice giants and nebulae) Those who've read my previous threads know how much I'm looking forward to the illusive water stage. The more this get mensioned by different people as they discover Spore, the more likely Ea will do something about this Last edited by STARFISH75; 27-09-2009 at 02:06 PM..

27-09-2009, 03:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
1two1 Rookie Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 15	I want it sooo bad! even if they could slot a fish stage or something inbetween cell and creature that way your cell can evolve to fish and then that could evolve to creaute and continue on like that. At least that would be something, better than nothing. BRING ON WATER STAGE! __________________ *If it jams - force it. If it breaks, well it needed replacing anyway. :P*

27-09-2009, 11:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
castero66 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3	Underwater citys should be sooooo cool!

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RedAlertOn Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: norway! Gender: Male Posts: 515	yes yes yes!!!

27-09-2009, 05:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
Shrooblord Forum Guru Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Shroobstown. Shroobston. Shrooboid planet. Posts: 1,835	How bueatiful that picture may seem, that's an artists' concept. That means that the actual Water Stage could be 100x uglier than that and you all will be disappointed. But if they can make it THAT pretty and nice to play, then I will be the wrong here. __________________ <-- CLICK My newest and best Adventure yet: Sundown!

27-09-2009, 08:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
STARFISH75 Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: London Gender: Male Posts: 784	It will be the creature stage, with a blue haze and spaceship controls applied to the water creature. the animations will be slightly different, to reflect swimming. It's not rocket sxience The tribal and civ tage may need to be different. maybe 3rd person or something RTS would be weird. look like some of the anti water lobby are back again here we go again

28-09-2009, 05:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
Eddaxar Rookie Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Australia Age: 14 Gender: Male Posts: 2	I don't find problems with the controls, I like the settings for it... __________________ How to create your own universe: You will need: One proton - shrunk down to a billionth of its size Gas, dust. A space - much, much smaller then the extremely small proton.

01-10-2009, 09:41 PM	#16 (permalink)
STARFISH75 Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: London Gender: Male Posts: 784	[QUOTE=Ghelae;11421047]That, I think, would be the worst bit about it. The Space Stage controls are horrible. You can't zoom in or out properly, as that function is used to control vertical motion;QUOTE] ...or we could have the creature controls and button bash the spacebar to make the sporefish go up!

01-10-2009, 10:47 PM	#17 (permalink)
TheMrZ Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 921	w=accelerate s=slow down/swim back a and d = turn mouse wheel: adjust pitch shift+mouse wheel = zoom right mouse button = look around solved, no? Last edited by TheMrZ; 07-10-2009 at 09:21 PM..

07-10-2009, 08:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
Karagianis Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Leicester, England Age: 28 Gender: Male Posts: 568	controls for underwater is easy, swimming is just flying but wetter. Use the space stage starship controlls. __________________ Arrange the blocks in order of yellowness.

07-10-2009, 09:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
TheMrZ Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 921	Space stage controls are lacking, hence what I just suggested.

18-10-2009, 05:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
Chickenkeeper Rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 5	Well I think It would work, because the first prototype of spore (when will Wright did his university presentation of it in 2004/5) did have a water stage inbetween cell and creature, that was brilliant. I think they took it out of the final version because it took up too much space. (on the disk / computer). Plus, the controls should be WASD for forwards, backwards, left and right (strafe), and the middle mouse key for pitch and direction. (like controlling the camera for making adventures in Galactic Adventures) Last edited by Chickenkeeper; 18-10-2009 at 05:39 PM..

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123defacto Rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Puffroad 34, Teva city, Puffa Major, Signol Starsystem, Puffey Empire, Sector Puffa, Orion Arm Gender: Male Posts: 304	Then remodel the entire tribal stage! It was stupidly simple anyway... In the old 2005 tribal, the tribal stage started out with no huts, no tools, and no campfire. just a couple of newly sentinent creatures. And then you simply invented all that. __________________ Thanks to rebecca for the cool signature

18-10-2009, 07:28 PM	#23 (permalink)
TheMrZ Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 921	no, you don't need fire to make tools underwater. You need fire to make torches, but that's different. An underwater equivalent would be cool. As for spears, horns, axes etc, the water has no effect on those.

18-10-2009, 08:07 PM	#24 (permalink)
123defacto Rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Puffroad 34, Teva city, Puffa Major, Signol Starsystem, Puffey Empire, Sector Puffa, Orion Arm Gender: Male Posts: 304	And when we're at it why not add: Procedural animation of creature movements and dancing. The sporepdia type shown in the 2006 video Less cartoonish style In the 2005 video, will said that there was equivalent species to the ones in startrek, are there? nope. See the skeleton instead of a spine in the creature creator. And better storyline for spacestage! __________________ Thanks to rebecca for the cool signature