My secu rom statement.

[Spark1313]

Okay, so I have been playing Spore for the past few days and I love it. Its the best game ive ever played.

But, recently I just found out that some kind of lalalala called secu rom was installed on my computer along with Spore.

From what I've researched on it, this program installs harmful malware and virus **** on to my computer.

Not only that, but it limits the number of times I can install my game to 3?
My computer is known for hard drive faliure and this is very inconvenient.

Apparently the only way to get more installs is to contact customer support. From personal experience, contacting customer support sucessfully and actually getting what you contacted them for (the installs) is nearly impossible. If you honestly expect me to sit on a phone for hours and hours just to be able to reinstall my game after hard drive faliure, I would rather just pirate it rather than suffer through all of the trouble this would cause. And no, I do not support piracy nor have either pirated a game before!

I have installed my WoW discs on my computer more than 10 times and it doesnt stop me from doing that. I still play my sega genesis and super nintendo from over 10 years ago. With this path secu rom is leading to, the game will become obselete and die out within a year or two due to lack of playability. Essentially the only way to stop this problem will be to make uninstalls and hard drive faliures give back an install. That would be the major error that secu rom presents.

I now know, for a fact, that the implimentation of secu rom into Spore has at least halved its sales. So to conclude, I must say, to the greatest game in the world, if you phuk me over, I will not purchase your game twice nor will i sit through tortrous customer support to be able to play it. I will just go back to WoW.

PS: To you forumtrollerz, I made a new post to catch the attention of admins/mods. In all honesty, a response from one would be nice because we lack true information, updates, and decisions. I dont want to rent a game, when I buy it, I expect to be able to play it whenever I want to.

Thank you,
Spark1313

[Mistran]

I wouldn't mind if it was removed. But it doesn't bother me really. I'm used to malware being installed(Norton AntiVirus is malware, for example).

And you do know WoW is actually worse, right? WoW scans your computer and transmits data to Blizzard.

[Xilvarim]

Your wrong about far to many things in this post, please go google securerom and get a clue before you whine.

Hints:

There is no virus/maleware installed.

There is no 3 time install limit.

There is no install limit on *your computer* at all.

It's a limited number of *AUTOMATIC* *MACHINE* installs, manual installs (by contacting support) is unlimited.


************ Truths about SecureROM ************

SecureROM detects certain software and if it's run on your computer you will be unable to play the game. The error message for it is very bad and it can be very hard for anyone but a true computer expert to diagnoses.

SecureROM does install software that can give issues with CD/DVD drives.

SecureROM in Spore limits you to install on tree seperate machines as many times as you want on each of them, without needing to contact EA support.

SecureROM DOES NOT and NEITHER DOES EA have a rule about how many times your allowed to install Spore and on how many computers. They do have a requirement that for the 4th technically different machine you will be installing it on, it will be required to get it cleared with EA support.

So get a freaking clue, YOUR the Troll here.

[Mistran]

Originally Posted by Xilvarim

Your wrong about far to many things in this post, please go google securerom and get a clue before you whine.

Hints:

There is no virus/maleware installed.

There is no 3 time install limit.

There is no install limit on *your computer* at all.

It's a limited number of *AUTOMATIC* *MACHINE* installs, manual installs (by contacting support) is unlimited.


************ Truths about SecureROM ************

SecureROM detects certain software and if it's run on your computer you will be unable to play the game. The error message for it is very bad and it can be very hard for anyone but a true computer expert to diagnoses.

SecureROM does install software that can give issues with CD/DVD drives.

SecureROM in Spore limits you to install on tree seperate machines as many times as you want on each of them, without needing to contact EA support.

SecureROM DOES NOT and NEITHER DOES EA have a rule about how many times your allowed to install Spore and on how many computers. They do have a requirement that for the 4th technically different machine you will be installing it on, it will be required to get it cleared with EA support.

So get a freaking clue, YOUR the Troll here.

Someone finally speaks the truth! There's no way a program that detects amount of times it's been installed can pass legal tests anyways. Besides, Call of Duty 4 is using SecuROM, and you don't see a install limit on that, do you? Or Crysis?

[Cyberfrog]

SecuROM sucks and so does the 3 activations.
But the claims about it being malware or a virus are at best exaggerated.

There has already been poll(s) and dozens of threads on the topic, so my guess is this thread will be locked.

[Mistran]

Originally Posted by Cyberfrog

SecuROM sucks and so does the 3 activations.
But the claims about it being malware or a virus are at best exaggerated.

There has already been poll(s) and dozens of threads on the topic, so my guess is this thread will be locked.

3 Activations aren't really true either. It's 3 activations, and a call to customer support. If SecuROM is malware or virus, then so is Firewalls and Task Managers. Both are installed when you buy a new OS.

[Spark1313]

Originally Posted by Xilvarim

It's a limited number of *AUTOMATIC* *MACHINE* installs, manual installs (by contacting support) is unlimited.

SecureROM in Spore limits you to install on tree seperate machines as many times as you want on each of them, without needing to contact EA support.

SecureROM DOES NOT and NEITHER DOES EA have a rule about how many times your allowed to install Spore and on how many computers. They do have a requirement that for the fourth technically different machine you will be installing it on, it will be required to get it cleared with EA support.

Apparently you didnt read the full post. When a computer hard drive fries and I have to go and buy a new one and reinstall spore, on a different hard drive, that counts as another install. Calling customer support to install a game is retarted. Also if instead I decide to buy a new computer instead of a new hard drive, or even just reformat my drive, I use an install and will eventually have to contact customer support. That wont happen because customer support is more crowded than the stock market.

It matters not if this thread is locked. My goal is to use a poll to determine the ratio of concerns and to get an admin/mod to actually read this and take in our concerns and give us information, updates, and forward info the the bigwhigs.

I dont care if its on my computer where I have unlimited installs, because chances are I wont ever have to uninstall/reinstall on MY COMPUTER. Any reinstalling done will most likely be on a different computer which will consume an install. Making an uninstall merit an install back to that unique cd key would easily counter this.


Also, while doing missions, terraforming planets, and other planet involved stuff in the space phase, I get random computer freezes which requires me to power button off my machine and turn it back on. The only thing I could see doing this is secu rom, which many posts have blamed for countless errors and crashes/freezes.

[Tilet]

Get rid of it, OWN SECRU ROM! :P

[Xilvarim]

So even while YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS, your WILLINGLY and INTENTIONAL LYING.

Completely proving my point that YOUR the Troll.

[Spark1313]

Originally Posted by Xilvarim

So even while YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS, your WILLINGLY and INTENTIONAL LYING.

Completely proving my point that YOUR the Troll.

Im not a troll nor am I lying. Quote where you believe Im lying and I will explain thoroughly so a troll like yourself can understand clearly.

I know for a fact that when I want to reinstall on a new hard drive, formatted hard drive, or newly purchased computer that I can only do that 3 times until my "renting period" is over and I have to sit on the phone for hours until I can play the game I paid alot of money for!

[TotalNoob]

All lies, 1. its not harmful, 2. its not "malware" 3. Don't worrys

[Nuskool45]

I hate to say it, but if it bothers you so much just crack your (bought) copy. They get your money for making the game, you avoid the DRM.

Beats arguing on the internet eh?

[Spark1313]

There have been multiple claims that it is harmful and that it isnt harmful, Im not choosing a side to believe, it could easily be both.

Secondly, I dont want to crack a game I like having the official version. I dont want to resort to it, but when the time comes that I have to call customer support to install a game I already paid for that will probably happen.

To counter this, they could easily make a secu rom removal tool but make spore still playable. They just dont realize how many sales they think they got by using secu rom, but, in reality, just lost more than they gained.

[RadioElectric]

Is SecuRom the one that replaces your disc-drive drivers to work? If that's the case then it can give you hardware failure.

Edit: Apparently that was StarForce. Looking into this more closely though it appears that a lot of the reaction to their using SecuRom now is due to the all of the things that went wrong when they switched over to using it in The Sims 2's expansions.

[Wishbone77]

Originally Posted by RadioElectric

Is SecuRom the one that replaces your disc-drive drivers to work? If that's the case then it can give you hardware failure.

Nope, that's StarForce.

[Spark1313]

Originally Posted by Wishbone77

Nope, that's StarForce.

either way,

even if they allow us to only install it 3 times, that wont stop the pirates for finding a way around it. All this is doing is making the game less enjoyable and more inconvenient for the honest person that doesnt pirate and actually loves the game.

[TotalNoob]

Originally Posted by Spark1313

either way,

even if they allow us to only install it 3 times, that wont stop the pirates for finding a way around it. All this is doing is making the game less enjoyable and more inconvenient for the honest person that doesnt pirate and actually loves the game.

Pirates, HAVE already cracked it, but they don't get online features, their loss?

[Spark1313]

Originally Posted by TotalNoob

Pirates, HAVE already cracked it, but they don't get online features, their loss?

thats what im trying to say

all the secu rom is doing is making the game harsher, less enjoyable, and inconvenient for the people that actually go buy it. Its purpose was quoted "to prevent piracy", but it doesnt not do that and it doesnt serve its purpose so it needs to go.

[Wishbone77]

Originally Posted by Mistran

3 Activations aren't really true either. It's 3 activations, and a call to customer support.

At a premium rate number.

Originally Posted by Mistran

If SecuROM is malware or virus, then so is Firewalls and Task Managers. Both are installed when you buy a new OS.

And both are uninstalled when you uninstall the OS. SecuROM won't be uninstalled when you uninstall Spore.

As for malware? Let's see...

It install itself without telling you. It forcibly breaks through the internal security of your operating system. It interferes with other legal programs on purpose. And you cannot uninstall it, except with the help of third party tools.

Malware? I'd say so, yes.

[Spark1313]

Originally Posted by Wishbone77

At a premium rate number.

And both are uninstalled when you uninstall the OS. SecuROM won't be uninstalled when you uninstall Spore.

As for malware? Let's see...

It install itself without telling you. It forcibly breaks through the internal security of your operating system. It interferes with other legal programs on purpose. And you cannot uninstall it, except with the help of third party tools.

Malware? I'd say so, yes.

agreed

and not just a premium rate number,
a premium rate number where you have to wait for very long periods of time to get an answer/reply
and most likely it wont be human, it will be automated

[Xilvarim]

SecureROM real facts instead of stupid lies.


SecureROM does, in rare cases, cause CD/DVD burners not to work, removing SecureROM and CD/DVD burners work again, there has been no verifiable cases of hardware getting physically damaged due to SecureROM.

SecureROM does detect PERFECTLY legal programs like Process Explorer, Nero (CD/DVD Burner software) and others as hostile software that will prevent the game from working.


Copy protection like SecureROM only hurts paying customers, as pirates use a cracked version (I think pirated EA software still install SecureROM, it's just that the games startup file doesn't use it, so the CD/DVD burner problem still effects everyone, but that would be really crappy way to argue that my statement is false.)


That DOES NOT make it right to LIE about SecureROM.


Lying to discredit someone because your to stupid to do it with fair and true facts is NEVER EVER acceptable behavior.

[Minigee]

At least get rid of the 3 installations. i have no problems with the other part of the security stuff so i cant say anything about that.

[Assassin Rex]

Yeah this secure rom thing should be removed, at the moment I am not proud of it but I am thinking of looking for crakced copies of spore. I have purchased 2 copies of spore, the first copy would not validate online, the second copy the galatic edition which I have already installed on my system and works online (thank God)

I am currently holidaying and I even made a thread about this, at 3 different places, I have an Acer atom laptop that can't play any decent game, so i wanted to install spore on the different systems that were in those places and play, then uninstall them before I leave, back to uni, but thanks to the stupid secure rom, I cannot.

So now I have a copy of spore following me to my relations places, but I cannot play the game. Stupid me didnot bother to pack my xbox 360, ps3 or even any other pc game.

[Spark1313]

Originally Posted by Xilvarim

SecureROM real facts instead of stupid lies.


SecureROM does, in rare cases, cause CD/DVD burners not to work, removing SecureROM and CD/DVD burners work again, there has been no verifiable cases of hardware getting physically damaged due to SecureROM.

SecureROM does detect PERFECTLY legal programs like Process Explorer, Nero (CD/DVD Burner software) and others as hostile software that will prevent the game from working.


Copy protection like SecureROM only hurts paying customers, as pirates use a cracked version (I think pirated EA software still install SecureROM, it's just that the games startup file doesn't use it, so the CD/DVD burner problem still effects everyone, but that would be really crappy way to argue that my statement is false.)


That DOES NOT make it right to LIE about SecureROM.


Lying to discredit someone because your to stupid to do it with fair and true facts is NEVER EVER acceptable behavior.

sigh, ok listen up mr.troll

I am not lying. Securom is malware, it installs itself without your consent and does its own thing gives its own permissions and messes with whatever it wants to and you cant control it and to be frank, not even know it exists(i didnt know until today)

and yes, you just said that it does, in rare cases, still harm CD/DVD and that is considered hardware.

and since im not a pirater; im a loyal customer, so i want to be able to play the game without being hindered at all. It does not serve its purpose in anti-piracy so it should be removed post haste. I honestly dont even see why its there except to annoy the loyal customers that love the game.

and no, I am not lying so stop telling me I am


besides
the main goal of this thread is to get our opinions out to the admins, mods, and the people that make the decision to remove this

we dont want it, and removing it would increase sales and customer satisfaction
isnt that what they want?

[Spark1313]

Originally Posted by Minigee

At least get rid of the 3 installations. i have no problems with the other part of the security stuff so i cant say anything about that.

Yeah, I feel ya. What was the activation to motivate me to create this thread was that. Since I have to reinstall much, calling customer service will not in any way counter piracy so im fighting for the 3 installation removal. Thats what bothers me the most.