Security (SecuROM) on Mac (OSX)?

reza666 · 03-09-2008, 07:33 PM

Hi,

To be honest i simply refuse to buy the PC version since i hate this SecuROM shizzle but since i got a macbook pro i would like to know what kind of security mechanism it uses? Is there a SecuRom for Mac or is it more clean then the PC version?
Tried to google but it didnt find me the answer i was looking for.

Has anyone downloaded the Mac version and tested yet and can share the experience?

Also i was wondering if the "Spore - Galactic Edition" include both the pc as well as the Mac version of the game? on the images i seen it says Windows/Mac so it got me wondering.

cheers

flixern · 03-09-2008, 07:36 PM

I'm not sure if SecuROM comes in the Mac version. Would be weird if Mac would get malware or rootkit, when there isn't any viruses on mac lol...

NicMacc · 03-09-2008, 07:43 PM

theres a version of SecuROM available for mac apparently...i doubt us Mac users will have the same problems PC users sometimes get...but we'll see i suppose

Aaron · 03-09-2008, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reza666

Also i was wondering if the "Spore - Galactic Edition" include both the pc as well as the Mac version of the game?

It does, yes.

Marcolon · 03-09-2008, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reza666

Hi,

To be honest i simply refuse to buy the PC version since i hate this SecuROM shizzle but since i got a macbook pro i would like to know what kind of security mechanism it uses? Is there a SecuRom for Mac or is it more clean then the PC version?
Tried to google but it didnt find me the answer i was looking for.

Has anyone downloaded the Mac version and tested yet and can share the experience?

Also i was wondering if the "Spore - Galactic Edition" include both the pc as well as the Mac version of the game? on the images i seen it says Windows/Mac so it got me wondering.

cheers

Pc and mac version is the same disc. Mac has its own version of securom

reza666 · 03-09-2008, 09:20 PM

Thanks for all the replies, so the conclusion so far is
1) The mac version does include the SecuROM but it is not as harmful as PC version (we think)
2) Spore - Galactic Edition is both PC and Mac

what i hate about SecuROM for pc is mainly 2 thing, one is the fact that you can not remove it with the uninstaller (atleast i couldnt last time, it locked a file who could not be deleted even in safe mode, had to reinstall everything) and second it will affect your OS or more specifically your drivs. Ah there are other reasons that has been brought up in the other thread so no need to go through them

flixern · 03-09-2008, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reza666

Thanks for all the replies, so the conclusion so far is
1) The mac version does include the SecuROM but it is not as harmful as PC version (we think)
2) Spore - Galactic Edition is both PC and Mac

what i hate about SecuROM for pc is mainly 2 thing, one is the fact that you can not remove it with the uninstaller (atleast i couldnt last time, it locked a file who could not be deleted even in safe mode, had to reinstall everything) and second it will affect your OS or more specifically your drivs. Ah there are other reasons that has been brought up in the other thread so no need to go through them

And you forgot the biggest deal about SecuROM. It might contain malware and rootkit...

Treesap · 03-09-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by flixern

And you forgot the biggest deal about SecuROM. It might contain malware and rootkit...

It can't 'Might' contain malware or a rootkit. Securom should install the same everywhere, and every single time it 'does' install a rootkit (i think it installs a small applet which gives the main one root access or something, but either way, it is still almight owerful and is a rootkit). If there wan't a rootkit, securom would not work because it wouldn't have the right permissions, so 'Might' is the worng word.

Thinking logically securom should do the same thing on both platforms, but what it does it pointless anyway. However, securom has the power to autoupdate itself so securom for mac could become as bad as for windows(if anybody dare call windows a PC when only refering to windows, i will be angry) even if it is not now.

Gorai · 03-09-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by flixern

And you forgot the biggest deal about SecuROM. It might contain malware and rootkit...

I'm more bothered about the 3 activations/installs. Might be ok for casual gamers but for people who constantly update their computer to play the latest games this is a kick to the balls. (Changing a piece of hardware on your computer USES up 1 activation. Total joke. This makes me rage so hard. You know I don't even feel like paying for the game anymore, I'd be better of downloading it for free even if it means missing out on the online features

Treesap · 03-09-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorai

I'm more bothered about the 3 activations/installs. Might be ok for casual gamers but for people who constantly update their computer to play the latest games this is a kick to the balls. (Changing a piece of hardware on your computer USES up 1 activation. Total joke. This makes me rage so hard. You know I don't even feel like paying for the game anymore, I'd be better of downloading it for free even if it means missing out on the online features

I know its a joke, but the rootkit is much worse. It is always there basically forever (unless you wipe your drive), even when it is not needed. Yes 3 activations stops you from playing your bought game, but the rootkit could hinder your whole comptuer.

Anyway guys do you know if we have any legal case against EA to force them to pay our computer elctricity bills becuase technically they have kernel access to our computer (more than we get as admins) so our overseeing the running of our processors (and techniacally have the power to update securom to hack our computers, which in my case could be VERY bad for a secret reason that i could probebly make EA pay a lot of money in damages(not that i said that)).

Anyway, at least you have been very good at providing cross platform support EA (even if i don't care because i could never use a Mac), even if it has the same anti-piracy.

Syphofighter · 04-09-2008, 12:50 AM

OMG..a day before the realese and someone tell me that "hey by buying this game EA has complete control over you, your computer. what i bet there going is trying to double sailes price's as each game shutdown and they refuse to give you reactivatiing codes..you go out being a fan of the great game designer will wright, to find that EA have put a stupid protection thingy! to stop piracy..and this wont stop piracy....

Treesap · 04-09-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Syphofighter

OMG..a day before the realese and someone tell me that "hey by buying this game EA has complete control over you, your computer.

Well i didn't quite say that, i said they could POTENTIALLY gane access with their powers. However doing so would destroy their company so they will not. Ow yer and it wouldn't be EA bu it would actually be sony that got the powers, because they make the thing. Still scary about what could potentially happen, however, Microsoft could potentailly destroy every windows computer, and, thankfully, the don't.

reza666 · 04-09-2008, 11:03 PM

yes i'm also more annoyed by the rootkit then the 3 activation, the damn files are not removable neither which makes me really angry. Even in safe mode i couldn't remove them on windows last time i played a game with Securom.
Since there isnt any register in OSX i'm hoping its "simpler" to remove it from your system but i'm no guru on OSX, although i got a program called Uninstaller which take a image of your system (all files that is) and compare with after installation so basically you know what is added in order to remove later on.

Treesap · 04-09-2008, 11:16 PM

the lask of a registry in mac os x shouyldn't make a different as securom stops you from deleting certain files because it gets master permssions (way more than admin in safe mode). Securom probebly makes it so if you try and delete its files it stops it from happening, so im gessing that in mac os x it will do the same.

reza666 · 05-09-2008, 08:36 PM

hmm is there anything beside root in osx?
In windows i think there is some hidden "thing" as you call it Master permission (wondering how the hell that works though) but never knew Unix/linux kernel have above root. Interessting to know what it is, any one who might know?

simmy135 · 05-09-2008, 08:44 PM

How many time can you install it?

beta57 · 06-09-2008, 12:30 AM

WRT the 3 installs rule

That's quite limiting, especially for mac users. Case in point: The mac I am posting from has a bootcamp partition which is also accessible as a VM under parallels. Therefore to install it under windows on this mac will register as 2 different installs, as both parallels and bootcamp report different hardware to the OS. Couple that with the OS X version... and your 3 permitted installs suddenly become a 1 shot deal.

Personally I don't agree with such limitations, and as such I'm afraid I'm going to have to miss out on this game. Which is a shame. Here's hoping for a wii version

reza666 · 06-09-2008, 11:02 AM

Yes the 3 install rule is simply STUPID. I wonder if a ghosting counts as new hardware.
I use Acronis Trueimage to take image of my pc now and then and restore when i tested to many stuff.

Btw you people running 32bit windows you can use Sandboxie and see if it works. This way the Securom will not infect your real system. To bad its not working on my 64bit Vista or my OSX.

Becky · 06-09-2008, 11:06 AM

So, when I reformat my computer (in a couple of weeks, hopefully) - I'll use up another activation?

So.. what lalalalalala thought SecuROM was simply a fantastic idea?

reza666 · 06-09-2008, 11:36 AM

not sure if it will use a activation if is is a reformat as its the same HW but cant say i'm 100% sure.
You can read more here:
EA Support

Well regarding the lalalalalala i say EA, they have had so much complains for their SecuRom issues that they must be lalalalalalas not listening to their PAYING customers and use this lousy rootkit on each game.

03-09-2008, 07:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
reza666 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 14	Security (SecuROM) on Mac (OSX)? Hi, To be honest i simply refuse to buy the PC version since i hate this SecuROM shizzle but since i got a macbook pro i would like to know what kind of security mechanism it uses? Is there a SecuRom for Mac or is it more clean then the PC version? Tried to google but it didnt find me the answer i was looking for. Has anyone downloaded the Mac version and tested yet and can share the experience? Also i was wondering if the "Spore - Galactic Edition" include both the pc as well as the Mac version of the game? on the images i seen it says Windows/Mac so it got me wondering. cheers

03-09-2008, 07:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
flixern Forum Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Norway Age: 20 Posts: 1,146	I'm not sure if SecuROM comes in the Mac version. Would be weird if Mac would get malware or rootkit, when there isn't any viruses on mac lol... __________________ I do not endure SecuROM! My Sporepedia Profile!

03-09-2008, 07:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
NicMacc Forum Regular Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Liverpool Age: 26 Posts: 730	theres a version of SecuROM available for mac apparently...i doubt us Mac users will have the same problems PC users sometimes get...but we'll see i suppose __________________

04-09-2008, 11:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
Treesap Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 154	the lask of a registry in mac os x shouyldn't make a different as securom stops you from deleting certain files because it gets master permssions (way more than admin in safe mode). Securom probebly makes it so if you try and delete its files it stops it from happening, so im gessing that in mac os x it will do the same. __________________ I'm sorry EA, but SecuROM on Spore has drove me to shun all of your non-maxis (and also possible non-crysis) games. Keep up the good work Maxis

06-09-2008, 11:06 AM	#19 (permalink)
Becky EA Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: West Midlands Age: 20 Posts: 32,004	So, when I reformat my computer (in a couple of weeks, hopefully) - I'll use up another activation? So.. what lalalalalala thought SecuROM was simply a fantastic idea? __________________ -

03-09-2008, 09:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
reza666 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 14	Thanks for all the replies, so the conclusion so far is 1) The mac version does include the SecuROM but it is not as harmful as PC version (we think) 2) Spore - Galactic Edition is both PC and Mac what i hate about SecuROM for pc is mainly 2 thing, one is the fact that you can not remove it with the uninstaller (atleast i couldnt last time, it locked a file who could not be deleted even in safe mode, had to reinstall everything) and second it will affect your OS or more specifically your drivs. Ah there are other reasons that has been brought up in the other thread so no need to go through them

04-09-2008, 12:50 AM	#11 (permalink)
Syphofighter Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 25	OMG..a day before the realese and someone tell me that "hey by buying this game EA has complete control over you, your computer. what i bet there going is trying to double sailes price's as each game shutdown and they refuse to give you reactivatiing codes..you go out being a fan of the great game designer will wright, to find that EA have put a stupid protection thingy! to stop piracy..and this wont stop piracy....

04-09-2008, 11:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
reza666 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 14	yes i'm also more annoyed by the rootkit then the 3 activation, the damn files are not removable neither which makes me really angry. Even in safe mode i couldn't remove them on windows last time i played a game with Securom. Since there isnt any register in OSX i'm hoping its "simpler" to remove it from your system but i'm no guru on OSX, although i got a program called Uninstaller which take a image of your system (all files that is) and compare with after installation so basically you know what is added in order to remove later on.

05-09-2008, 08:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
reza666 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 14	hmm is there anything beside root in osx? In windows i think there is some hidden "thing" as you call it Master permission (wondering how the hell that works though) but never knew Unix/linux kernel have above root. Interessting to know what it is, any one who might know?

05-09-2008, 08:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
simmy135 Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: England, London Age: 17 Posts: 1,226	How many time can you install it?

06-09-2008, 12:30 AM	#17 (permalink)
beta57 Hi, I'm New! Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1	WRT the 3 installs rule That's quite limiting, especially for mac users. Case in point: The mac I am posting from has a bootcamp partition which is also accessible as a VM under parallels. Therefore to install it under windows on this mac will register as 2 different installs, as both parallels and bootcamp report different hardware to the OS. Couple that with the OS X version... and your 3 permitted installs suddenly become a 1 shot deal. Personally I don't agree with such limitations, and as such I'm afraid I'm going to have to miss out on this game. Which is a shame. Here's hoping for a wii version

06-09-2008, 11:02 AM	#18 (permalink)
reza666 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 14	Yes the 3 install rule is simply STUPID. I wonder if a ghosting counts as new hardware. I use Acronis Trueimage to take image of my pc now and then and restore when i tested to many stuff. Btw you people running 32bit windows you can use Sandboxie and see if it works. This way the Securom will not infect your real system. To bad its not working on my 64bit Vista or my OSX.

06-09-2008, 11:36 AM	#20 (permalink)
reza666 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 14	not sure if it will use a activation if is is a reformat as its the same HW but cant say i'm 100% sure. You can read more here: EA Support Well regarding the lalalalalala i say EA, they have had so much complains for their SecuRom issues that they must be lalalalalalas not listening to their PAYING customers and use this lousy rootkit on each game.