what is secuROM? - Page 4

ValKor01 · 02-09-2008, 09:08 PM

Im surprised this thread hasnt been locked.

Hi Mezakin, The problem with reffering to the car alarm and other anti theft devices that you make is that if a person is out to steal a car they have alot more to worry about than what a simple person on their PC making a crack to bypass the copy protection would have. Car Alarms are there to make a thief think twice so any attempt of theft is met with the one thing a sneaky thief doesnt want, a loud noise bringing attention to what they are doing. with a game theres no alarm when cracking an anti-piracy, you arent out on a street somewhere vulnerable. you are doing it from the saftey of your home and can sit and look at the anti-piracy, find a way around it and then make a crack. During the whole process there is no *risk* involved for the person making the crack.

That might be where people have found some fault.

I figure that once I have the game if I ever hit my 3 activations ill check and see if a crack will still allow me access to the community, if not then ill still get it but contact EA for my next activation, that way I can play the game while waiting to get access to the community again.

Gorai · 02-09-2008, 09:10 PM

The online side of the game most likely won't work with the securom stuff missing

Wishbone77 · 02-09-2008, 09:12 PM

The cracks that are already floating around claim to work online. Whether there's any accuracy in the claim, I have no idea.

Treesap · 02-09-2008, 09:15 PM

Comaring it too a car can work as it is comaring hwat the systems do to get to an aim, they jsut have different end-systems in place because making your comuter sound an alarm would be pointless. There is more to risk for a car but more gain, and anyway whats important is a cars security should be good because loosing it is bad, so you would expect it to be better and more imposing, however securom is worse (as expected) but is/can be more imposing on the user in the long run.

ValKor01 · 02-09-2008, 09:17 PM

Well i Just checked a torrent site, dunno if it was mentioned by anyone else but the early copy of spore that was put up apparently was a virus. from what people are saying:

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The Setup.exe file on the image disc will try to infect your PC with various sorts of baddies

but thats what you get for pirating.

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Originally Posted by Treesap

Comaring it too a car can work as it is comaring hwat the systems do to get to an aim, they jsut have different end-systems in place because making your comuter sound an alarm would be pointless. There is more to risk for a car but more gain, and anyway whats important is a cars security should be good because loosing it is bad, so you would expect it to be better and more imposing, however securom is worse (as expected) but is/can be more imposing on the user in the long run.

Understood but the biggest problem people have with it is that the anti-piracy is as much (if not more) a burden on the customer that paid than it is on the pirate, untill it is cracked, then theres just no purpose for it anymore. Can you say the same about anti theft devices on a car? Perhaps to some extent but I wouldnt say it was the same level of irritation that the anti-piracy on games are.

Naenia · 02-09-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ValKor01

Well i Just checked a torrent site, dunno if it was mentioned by anyone else but the early copy of spore that was put up apparently was a virus. from what people are saying:

but thats what you get for pirating.

yeah..but only certain places will have a virus..not all do...so its risky all the same

Gorai · 02-09-2008, 09:20 PM

There's a few torrents around for the full game. But it's the un cracked/you need a CD key version :<

ValKor01 · 02-09-2008, 09:24 PM

yeah but when theres a version floating around with a virus it tends to put people off pirating for a while, I guarantee you the idea of a virus with the game coming in a torrent will stop people pirating it far more than anti-piracy like SecuROM will, and probably for longer than it takes to crack it. depends how quick theres a verified legitamate copy up for torrenting though I suppose.

EDIT:

Not that im suggesting EA drop secuROM and then start throwing out versions infected with Viruses on Torrent sites.

Mistercrull · 02-09-2008, 09:25 PM

Humph, what was wrong with buyin the full game....

ValKor01 · 02-09-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistercrull

Humph, what was wrong with buyin the full game....

Some people just do it... you'd have to ask them why.

Just noticed this sorry mate.

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Originally Posted by Naenia

yeah..but only certain places will have a virus..not all do...so its risky all the same

It all depends on the torrent, If you download that specific torrent it will have the virus regardless of where you grabbed the torrent file to start the main download. But someplaces may have a legit copy, people will hold off though till others test it.

Mistercrull · 02-09-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ValKor01

Some people just do it... you'd have to ask them why.

Well, you dont get something for nothing, thats the problem.

The only people that should worry about SecuROM are those who pirate games.

Treesap · 02-09-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ValKor01

Understood but the biggest problem people have with it is that the anti-piracy is as much (if not more) a burden on the customer that paid than it is on the pirate, untill it is cracked, then theres just no purpose for it anymore. Can you say the same about anti theft devices on a car? Perhaps to some extent but I wouldnt say it was the same level of irritation that the anti-piracy on games are.

That what i meant when i said it was more imposing (especially when you want more security on your car). Sorry i was a bit vague with my statement.

Anyway... DIE SECUROM DIE... the annoying part of you(securom) doesnt help spore anti-piracy whatsoever. Come on EA, most of securom is incompetent. Make your own system without the rootkit, or anything that lives outside the game, with a verification system built into spore.

Gorai · 02-09-2008, 09:31 PM

You get punished for buying the game instead of pirating it.

MetroPolice · 02-09-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistercrull

Well, you dont get something for nothing, thats the problem.

The only people that should worry about SecuROM are those who pirate games.

I agree. The whole SecuROM is the pirate's fault in the first place. I bet it started cause that fat kiddy who hacked Crysis before the day of release.

Treesap · 02-09-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorai

You get punished for buying the game instead of pirating it.

LOLHAHAHA

I can just imagine an advert like the ones at the start of them dvds, but saying how piracy is actualy better, where you don't get prosecuted, get everything for free, and get no malware. That would be hilarious.

EDIT: But of course terrible as i think piracy is stupid and you shoud pay. sorry EA for discussing piracy.

EAUK_Adroit · 02-09-2008, 09:33 PM

Please do not discuss piracy on the forum, including any torrents there may or may not be on the internet.

MetroPolice · 02-09-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EAUK_Adroit

Please do not discuss piracy on the forum, including any torrents there may or may not be on the internet.

There is not. And i hope there wont be any. Atleast for the first few months.

ValKor01 · 02-09-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by EAUK_Adroit

Please do not discuss piracy on the forum, including any torrents there may or may not be on the internet.

Sorry

EAUK_Aurora · 02-09-2008, 09:37 PM

There is lots of information about SecuROM in the Stickied thread at the top of the forum.

I shall lock this one here

02-09-2008, 09:08 PM	#76 (permalink)
ValKor01 Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 154	Im surprised this thread hasnt been locked. Hi Mezakin, The problem with reffering to the car alarm and other anti theft devices that you make is that if a person is out to steal a car they have alot more to worry about than what a simple person on their PC making a crack to bypass the copy protection would have. Car Alarms are there to make a thief think twice so any attempt of theft is met with the one thing a sneaky thief doesnt want, a loud noise bringing attention to what they are doing. with a game theres no alarm when cracking an anti-piracy, you arent out on a street somewhere vulnerable. you are doing it from the saftey of your home and can sit and look at the anti-piracy, find a way around it and then make a crack. During the whole process there is no risk involved for the person making the crack. That might be where people have found some fault. I figure that once I have the game if I ever hit my 3 activations ill check and see if a crack will still allow me access to the community, if not then ill still get it but contact EA for my next activation, that way I can play the game while waiting to get access to the community again. __________________ For those wondering what the deal is with SecuROM heres a link to an informative post on it : CLICKME Last edited by ValKor01; 02-09-2008 at 09:11 PM..

02-09-2008, 09:12 PM	#78 (permalink)
Wishbone77 Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 838	The cracks that are already floating around claim to work online. Whether there's any accuracy in the claim, I have no idea. __________________ Here's my Spore profile *Okay, I caved. I'm now buying Spore, but I still do NOT* endorse malware/SecuROM**

02-09-2008, 09:15 PM	#79 (permalink)
Treesap Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 154	Comaring it too a car can work as it is comaring hwat the systems do to get to an aim, they jsut have different end-systems in place because making your comuter sound an alarm would be pointless. There is more to risk for a car but more gain, and anyway whats important is a cars security should be good because loosing it is bad, so you would expect it to be better and more imposing, however securom is worse (as expected) but is/can be more imposing on the user in the long run. __________________ I'm sorry EA, but SecuROM on Spore has drove me to shun all of your non-maxis (and also possible non-crysis) games. Keep up the good work Maxis

02-09-2008, 09:24 PM	#83 (permalink)
ValKor01 Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 154	yeah but when theres a version floating around with a virus it tends to put people off pirating for a while, I guarantee you the idea of a virus with the game coming in a torrent will stop people pirating it far more than anti-piracy like SecuROM will, and probably for longer than it takes to crack it. depends how quick theres a verified legitamate copy up for torrenting though I suppose. EDIT: Not that im suggesting EA drop secuROM and then start throwing out versions infected with Viruses on Torrent sites. __________________ For those wondering what the deal is with SecuROM heres a link to an informative post on it : CLICKME Last edited by ValKor01; 02-09-2008 at 09:26 PM..

02-09-2008, 09:33 PM	#91 (permalink)
EAUK_Adroit Community Representative Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 23,402	Please do not discuss piracy on the forum, including any torrents there may or may not be on the internet. __________________ Adroit Community Representative Electronic Arts Currently playing: FIFA 10 and Need For Speed: Shift Looking forward to: Left 4 Dead 2 PSN: EAUK_Adroit \|\| Gamertag: EAUK Adroit

02-09-2008, 09:10 PM	#77 (permalink)
Gorai Rookie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: in ur galaxy, destroyin ur colonies Posts: 175	The online side of the game most likely won't work with the securom stuff missing

02-09-2008, 09:20 PM	#82 (permalink)
Gorai Rookie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: in ur galaxy, destroyin ur colonies Posts: 175	There's a few torrents around for the full game. But it's the un cracked/you need a CD key version :<

02-09-2008, 09:25 PM	#84 (permalink)
Mistercrull Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The UK Age: 89 Posts: 431 Blog Entries: 2	Humph, what was wrong with buyin the full game....

02-09-2008, 09:31 PM	#88 (permalink)
Gorai Rookie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: in ur galaxy, destroyin ur colonies Posts: 175	You get punished for buying the game instead of pirating it.

02-09-2008, 09:37 PM	#94 (permalink)
EAUK_Aurora Community Representative Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: UK Gender: Female Posts: 55,558 Blog Entries: 257	There is lots of information about SecuROM in the Stickied thread at the top of the forum. I shall lock this one here __________________ Aurora Community Representative Electronic Arts View past Signature Showcase entries Currently playing The Sims 3 and Brutal Legend Looking forward to The Sims 3 World Adventures