Spore + SecuROM = Death

[Cyberfrog]

No doubt SecuROM (and the 3 activations) is bad. I despise it too.

HOWEVER: Attacking those who disagree with the majority won't do the community any good. If it is wrong to have a different opinion, this might as well be a "discussion" forum for religous lunatics.

If you want to discuss SecuROM without getting wrong or at least dubious ideas challenged, go join "SImmers against SecuROM" or something. That community is a fountain of misinformation and paranoia.


I think I'll put a link to Thundercloud's post in my signature.

[Kris015]

here this is SecuROM

SecuROM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Kris015]

And another site you guys will like!

SECUROM MUST BE DESTROYED! • Index page

[Wishbone77]

Originally Posted by Cyberfrog

If it is wrong to have a different opinion, this might as well be a "discussion" forum for religous lunatics.

It is not wrong to have a different opinion. If you had read my post, you would have seen me tell Kameira that his opinion was just as valid as mine.

What is wrong, is coming into an established community, and start off by telling its long-time members that they are immature for wanting to get rid of draconian copy protection schemes such as SecuROM. You seem level headed, Cyberfrog, you can't tell me you approved wholeheartedly of Kameira's post, can you?

Yes, this is a discussion forum, but I did not consider his post "discussion", merely trolling. Tempers can flare, but you need to participate in the discussion, before you start flinging insults at people

[SuperAndy]

frankly, im with thunderchild in all this
although i am totally against secuROM, it really isnt as bad as is made out here
also, if someone new joins, and sees all the anti-secuROM stuff, they will probably be put off spore altogether. Without knowing all the facts

[Cyberfrog]

Originally Posted by Wishbone77

What is wrong, is coming into an established community, and start off by telling its long-time members that they are immature for wanting to get rid of draconian copy protection schemes such as SecuROM. You seem level headed, Cyberfrog, you can't tell me you approved wholeheartedly of Kameira's post, can you?

Wholeheartedly, no. But I also don't support the notion that post count has any bearing on the validity of someone's opinion. Accusations of trolling or of being an agent of EA gets us nowhere, either.

This community has seemed fairly mature and friendly since I joined (even though some things indicated that not everyone had spent much time on forums before). It is OK to be angry and frustrated, but let's not start flaming eachother, hijacking threads and spamming the forum.

[Watashiii]

Originally Posted by SuperAndy

also, if someone new joins, and sees all the anti-secuROM stuff, they will probably be put off spore altogether. Without knowing all the facts

For every one of these, there will be one ten that buy the game and then lose activations because they don't know all the facts

[SuperAndy]

i 100% agree cyberfrog
this forum seems to have got alot more arguementative lately, esp in the secuROM related threads

i have nothing against you anti-secuROM crusaders! i was merely making an observation!

[Wishbone77]

Originally Posted by Cyberfrog

But I also don't support the notion that post count has any bearing on the validity of someone's opinion.

Firstly, validity of opinion was not the issue, and I said so very clearly. Secondly, validity of opinion was not the issue, and I said so very clearly. And thirdly, validity of opinion was not the issue, and I said so very clearly.

I really wish people would stop repeatedly putting words into my mouth that I flat-out have not said!

Originally Posted by Cyberfrog

Accusations of trolling or of being an agent of EA gets us nowhere, either.

But accusations of being immature crusaders who don't know what they are talking about are just fine?

Originally Posted by Cyberfrog

It is OK to be angry and frustrated, but let's not start flaming eachother, hijacking threads and spamming the forum.

I'm going to act like an immature crusader for a bit.

Wishbone (grumbles): "Well, he started it!"

[Kameira]

Originally Posted by Wishbone77

People who just want a game can go out and buy one. And if they do read forums, and are offended by criticism of said game, they can just read the threads that hype it. There are plenty of those.

"Criticism" of the game, which is really just "ADD THIS TO YOUR SIGNATURE SECUROM SUCKS YOU PEOPLE ARE JUST EA SHEEPS", should not be in a thread regarding a completely different subject, thank you.

Originally Posted by Wishbone77

What an incredibly worthless comment. It was your second post ever, Kameira! And you have the gall to start talking down to forum regulars who have been discussing these things for months. When you've asked 10 questions in the Q & A thread, which the moderators created, and have had no response, not even an "I don't know", for more than two months, then you can come here acting calm and saying "oh well, it'll probably be allright".

Nope. Sorry. If you guys can behave any way you want to, so can I.

Originally Posted by Wishbone77

Please explain where in your post you made that particular point. It's quoted, in full, below.

Fine:

Originally Posted by self

If you're all in a huff about SecuROM, then don't buy Spore and leave the people on the forums alone. If you have some intense, unrelenting gripe with the almighty moneygrubbing corporation, EA, then take it up with them.

Alright, I get that EA's being a lalalalalalala and isn't giving answers. Did I ever deny that? No. But please stop messing up random topics with this bull. It doesn't do anything besides annoy people, why the hell is that so hard to understand.

Originally Posted by Wishbone77

What is wrong, is coming into an established community, and start off by telling its long-time members that they are immature for wanting to get rid of draconian copy protection schemes such as SecuROM.

These immature "long-time members" in question, not necessarily you until you ran around throwing the word "lalalalalalala" at me, are the ones going into threads that I'd like to read and hijacking them so that they become intelligible tangles of bickering and whining and calling people "EA sheep". Yes, that is immature, believe it or not!

Just because I only registered a couple of days ago doesn't mean I haven't been browsing this forum occasionally since it was up, so the whole "boo hoo y'fricken noob" thing, isn't really intimidating to me. I have just as much right as someone who has a thousand posts.

There, I think that's about all points addressed, but god only knows. Thank you, Thundercloud, for spreading about some knowledge. And thank you, Cyberfrog, for contributing a bit of sense here.

[Wishbone77]

Originally Posted by Kameira

These immature "long-time members" in question, not necessarily you until you ran around throwing the word "lalalalalalala" at me,

Which I didn't.

Originally Posted by Kameira

are the ones going into threads that I'd like to read and hijacking them so that they become intelligible tangles of bickering and whining and calling people "EA sheep". Yes, that is immature, believe it or not!

Which I also didn't.

What you did was go into a thread about SecuROM and whining about people talking about it in threads which are not about SecuROM. Maybe if you had complained about the incident in the place where it happened, nobody would have said a word to you. But when you post a complaint about posting in the wrong threads in the wrong thread, then expect people to not have the best first impression of you.

Also, if you have a problem with one particular person's actions, maybe it would help if you addressed your gripes to that person, and not to anyone who has a negative opinion of SecuROM, which is what you did.

[Wishbone77]

Originally Posted by Kameira

But please stop messing up random topics with this bull. It doesn't do anything besides annoy people, why the hell is that so hard to understand.

It isn't. If you had read the thread in question, you would have seen me tell 5xksw directly that he should not do precisely that. As far as I know, he's the only one who has done so. Why we should all be berated by you for something that one person has done, is beyond me.

[Kameira]

Originally Posted by Wishbone77

It isn't. If you had read the thread in question, you would have seen me tell 5xksw directly that he should not do precisely that. As far as I know, he's the only one who has done so. Why we should all be berated by you for something that one person has done, is beyond me.

You're being berated by me for throwing about the term "lalalalalalala" and "EA sheep". I had no gripes about you in particular before that, or many other people, as I hadn't seen you doing anything wrong - but god forbid I don't type out a list of usernames that I can't even remember off the top of my head, otherwise I get called derogatory names. Quite.

I apologize for assuming people wouldn't retaliate if they weren't the guilty ones. My mistake.

[Wishbone77]

For the love of... I'm not the one who used the terms "lalalalalalala" and "EA sheep"! Go back and check, lalala!

And you think being unfairly accused should mean we shouldn't react?

[TheFinster]

Lol armegedon

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No longer buying Spore, I do *NOT* endorse malware/SecuROM

[Kaiysith]

It's starting to sound like the US forums in here with all this fighting and bickering! Who set loose the Drama Llama?

[ValKor01]

Well ive sat around looking at forums for a while but this discussion I just couldnt resist.

I have my spore already pre-ordered and while I wouldnt go to the extreme of cancelling it I know how easy it could be to get caught out by this 3 activations rubbish. Back when I was building this pc just over 2 years ago I went through 4 motherboards that all failed within 1-2 weeks of installation, well 1 lasted about 2 weeks another just 1 week and the other 2 allowed you to boot up but gave no end to errors.

Seeing as i plan on upgrading in a few months time this whole 3 activations thing worries me. if i had a game such as spore back when i had that trouble I would have fallen well into the grey area over activations.

I would hope that there will be some clarification but it seems EA would like to keep the whole thing quiet, which is not a good sign.

If EA did ever charge for reactivation of a game I had already purchased then it really would be "Im no longer purchasing any games branded with an EA logo". I know I've said it before and not stuck to it (im sure others have done the same) and even at the time of saying it I knew I probably wouldnt hold myself to it but I do know that I wouldnt buy another if this did happen. Im so totally against it that if EA announced that there would be 3 activations and that afterwards there would be a charge for reactivation I would immediatley go to my amazon account and cancel my pre-order and Im extremely hyped over this game, more than any other infact. It wouldnt surprise me if EA were holding back the info simply because they know people would cancel pre-orders over it and are just holding baclalalalaill its too late to cancel, but thats being a little paranoid isnt it.

Im not too worried about the ill effects of SecureROM, my only concern is having a game I payed for with my hard earned cash being totally unusable untill some random customer service person at EA who doesnt give a **** decides to activate it for me, or charge me for the pleasure and SURELY everyone can see why that would be a problem.



As for this on going argument, Kameira you saw someone spamming other threads about this issue (I saw it myself while i was in limbo stopping myself from signing up and posting myself), got sick of it and instead of confronting the person (or persons responsible) you labelled everyone in this thread immature. I dont agree with the spamming either and if you had read the whole thread first you would have seen others saying the same earlier. I'm sure you can see the mistake you made (not that im trying to get at you or put you down or anything, we all make mistakes), Sure you shouldnt have been called a lalalalalalala etc but at the same time the people who have been having a constuctive discussion on this issue and trying to keep people informed without spamming, im sure, felt just as insulted by being called immature as you did about being called a lalalalalalala.

You also went on to mock everything the people in this thread are trying to do, which is to stop people being held to ransom with anti-piracy software that does more to alienate the legitimate customers than it does to stop piracy (You just know that spore will be up on torrents days after release). Lets all just say sorry and keep this thread constructive.

Well I've said my piece, I hope EA get their heads in gear and decide to put the customers first instead of the pirates. Stardock did with Sins of a solar empire and all they offered was extra content in updates, sure the patches have been torrented but its been on 1.05 for a while now and that patch is still not on torrents. I would have thought the whole sharing creatures and having others creations in your game would have been enough incentive for people to buy the game instead of pirate it.

Well Im done, Sorry for the Omega Post and any spelling or grammar errors... im sure you understand

[Braidedheadman]

Originally Posted by Kameira

These immature "long-time members" in question, not necessarily you until you ran around throwing the word "lalalalalalala" at me...

That was me. I'm man enough to be honest and admit it. But I won't apologize for it.

Originally Posted by Kameira

...are the ones going into threads that I'd like to read and hijacking them so that they become intelligible tangles of bickering and whining and calling people "EA sheep". Yes, that is immature, believe it or not!

This is why I won't apologize for it. You are painting us all with an excessively wide brush here. You did it in your first post, and you are doing it again here. This is why I called you a lalalalalalala. I realize now that that term was inappropriate. Hypocrite seems a better choice.

You lecture us about off topic rants in non-SecuROM related threads, how immature we all are (you do seem like your broad-sweeping brushes), and how we should all just shut up about issues that we find to be extremely important. And you do it here, in your first set of posts, where your comments are not only unwelcome, but are as patently off topic and immature as you accuse the rest of us of being. You haven't added one salient point to this thread, either for or against SecuROM's current incarnation, save it be that our opinions are offensive to you.

Just to illustrate to you the hypocrisy of your position, I personally have kept my complaints about SecuROM in the SecuROM related threads - this one in particular. It's a simple courtesy as I'm sure you would agree. But through your words, you've lumped me along with a bunch of others here into a category of "immature whiners" to which we do not belong. Now, why don't you return the courtesy and stop lecturing us about how immature and off topic we are with your equally immature and off topic posts?

And, for the record, wielding signs is a time-honored method of protestation. It is an efficient way of getting a message out without unnecessary wordage and repetition. Adding words of protests to our sigs, for those of us who have chosen to do so, is no different and is well within people's personal freedoms of self expression. Who are you to call these people immature?

Originally Posted by Wishbone77

What you did was go into a thread about SecuROM and whining about people talking about it in threads which are not about SecuROM. Maybe if you had complained about the incident in the place where it happened, nobody would have said a word to you. But when you post a complaint about posting in the wrong threads in the wrong thread, then expect people to not have the best first impression of you.

Also, if you have a problem with one particular person's actions, maybe it would help if you addressed your gripes to that person, and not to anyone who has a negative opinion of SecuROM, which is what you did.

QFT.

Originally Posted by Kameira

You're being berated by me for throwing about the term "lalalalalalala" and "EA sheep". I had no gripes about you in particular before that, or many other people, as I hadn't seen you doing anything wrong - but god forbid I don't type out a list of usernames that I can't even remember off the top of my head, otherwise I get called derogatory names. Quite.

I apologize for assuming people wouldn't retaliate if they weren't the guilty ones. My mistake.

Just a reminder, so you can get off Wishbone's back about it, the lalalalalalala comment was mine. Stop acting like one, and I'll retract it. You can start by returning the floor to the topic at hand, which happens to be our dissatisfaction with SecuROM's more draconian elements. Furthermore, and more importantly, you can take up any further issues you may have with my comment to you via PM. I can't guarantee that I'll dignify you're messages with a response - certainly not until I've seen that you've put away that wide brimmed paint brush of yours - but it'd at least show a good start.

If you can't do that, then at least do us the courtesy of starting your own thread where you can berate the rest of us all you like. I don't care. If I see a thread I know I won't like, I won't open it. I haven't the time to waste. I do, however, want to discuss this thread's topic without it being trolled by the likes of you, just as you want threads that interest you left to you.

Reply if you must, I am through discussing it here though. That is all.

[orifice]

here here!

[Kameira]

I'm not even going to bother reading because it's no doubt filled with irrelevant and likely venomous remarks.

My apology Wishbone77, I mixed you up with someone else who was far less mature. My fault.

Anyway, point - whiners, keep your whining out of unrelated topics, please and thank you.

[Braidedheadman]

[sarcasm]Good for you! Stand on your principles.[/sarcasm]

Now back on topic please. You've hijacked this thread complaining about hijacking for quite long enough.

[Sporelord100]

what is every ones problem with securom my pc vista has got it from the all the sims 2 games and my pc have not had problems from securom.

[Malgor]

Originally Posted by ValKor01

...Lots of sensible stuff...

Originally Posted by Braidedheadman

...Manning up, making good points, and getting back on-topic...

Well said ValKor01 & Braidheadman

Originally Posted by Sporelord100

what is every ones problem with securom my pc vista has got it from the all the sims 2 games and my pc have not had problems from securom.

Check this out, Sporelord100, for a start:
SecuROM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Simply put, SecuROM is a piece of software designed to protect the publisher and developers rights. The problem we have with it is that it has been designed to protect their rights at the expense of yours.

You have not had problems, which is good - many people have not - but some have, and they get little or no help when they do. Also, this version of SecuROM, which is shipping with Spore, is significantly worse than the version used with The Sims 2.

We are simply wishing to 'draw a line in the sand', as it were, to protect ourselves and others (many of whom, like yourself, are unaware of what SecuROm is or does - some of whom may never even have heard of it). We wish to let EA know that we are willing to avoid their games, even their 'flagship' titles, like Spore, if they are going to continue to use software which steals admin rights on our PCs, and can stop you from playing a game which you have payed for, at will, until you can convince them that you are not a pirate. The law, in every civilised country on this Earth, says 'innocent until proven guilty' - but EA have decided that everyone is a software pirate (in their eyes, a thief), until you can prove otherwise.

Oh, and don't forget, in order to prove that you are not a thief, you have to give them such 'essential' information as your date of birth, and postcode. They are not only abusing your rights, but they expect you to help them with their marketing while the do it!

By forceing SecuROM on its customers, EA is (in essence), expecting you to bow and grovel for the right to play their game, by their rules, and you will pay for the privilage and be happy. If we let them away with this now, how bad will the next version of SecuROM be?

[Sporelord100]

what orther ea games use secuROM and is their any way of instailing secuROM without afecting any ea games on my computor.

[Sporelord100]

I think ea does it because no one will stand up for the public of Great Britian and Norther Ireland and the of europe and north america.