Spore + SecuROM = Death

[BenVdd]

i know , thats why i aint sayign its a good thing /sigh

[Dante288]

Originally Posted by BenVdd

We arent saying it is a good thing , but it's something i won't bother having installed in the end if it does **** up my pc i DL a 3th party proggie , delete it and dl a craclalalalaig deal

*uses EA's brainwashing powers* jjooiiiin ussss iiiinnn prooootesssstttt, you will get a £5 discount on your next purchase at PA(protest arts)

[777788889999]

Installing a crack will probably not make you able to use the online features anyway... so if you pay for this and then cant use it you might ask yourself why not pirate it in the first place??

[SuperAndy]

secuROM sucks, nuff sed
we realize securom is totally unnacceptible, but we also kno there will be a solution

[Dante288]

and this solution is?...RIOT AND STORM EA HQ AND STEAL THE SERVERS N STUFF.

[Thundercloud]

Originally Posted by 5xkwsk

But why should you have to download a crack? You bought the game legally you should not have to download a crack when you paid money for the game.

I think you're forgetting there's a third group in all of this.

You have:
For SecuROM;
Against SecuROM;

And the third party of

We don't really care.

Apathy is a great concern in any community (Boy you should see the apathy we had when it came to student union politics at my uni!), but some people just generally don't care. To them, this is just akin to nocd cracks. And to be fair, it is to some extent So... yeah.

[5xkwsk]

How can you not care? (sigh)

[Dante288]

Originally Posted by SuperAndy

secuROM sucks, nuff sed
we realize securom is totally unnacceptible, but we also kno there will be a solution

On a more serious note, what is this solution you speak of?...or do you just mean make EA hear us and thus get secuROM removed

[SuperAndy]

i mean dl cracks
there must be some secuROM free dls
thats why im not bying spore asa it comes out

[Dante288]

you're suggesting that downloading such a thing from a torrent site would be any safer...thats debateable

[Thundercloud]

Originally Posted by 5xkwsk

How can you not care? (sigh)

Me? Personally I don't care because it doesn't affect me. I run linux as my main system, with windows for games only. The three activations thing does give me a certain amount of concern considering i'll probably be upgrading my computer in a month or two after Spore's released, but that's just one part of it. Apart from that the only problem I have with SecuROM is that it could slow down my computer ever so slightly. As i've said before it's been on my system without me knowing for a year and absolutely nothing has gone wrong.

So yeah, whilst for the sake of ethics and other such larks, i'd rather not have SecuROM on my computer, it's that much of a non-inconvenience that I really don't care enough to change my habits.

As for other people, couldn't tell ya really. One thing I should point out though, is just because somebody COULD do something, doesn't mean they will. Not the best argument I know but it stands somewhat.

[777788889999]

Originally Posted by SuperAndy

i mean dl cracks
there must be some secuROM free dls
thats why im not bying spore asa it comes out

The problem is that I dont think cracking the game will work. Sure you can play and install as much as you want but I seriously doubt that you will get connected to the server, so you will not get all the online features...

[Thundercloud]

Originally Posted by SuperAndy

i mean dl cracks
there must be some secuROM free dls
thats why im not bying spore asa it comes out

Originally Posted by Dante288

you're suggesting that downloading such a thing from a torrent site would be any safer...thats debateable

Unfortunately SuperAndy you're wrong there. Or at least, you MAY be wrong. Mass Effect has SecuROM on it. Whether that can be successfully removed is, to me, unknown. (Yeah SecuROM can be removed but can you get Mass Effect to still run? I'll find out soon enough, my mate's trying to do it )

If it can, the the next question is do SecuROM and maxis servers have seperate login/auths? If so, then it should be trivial to remove SecuROM. If not, then you're stuck with it matey.

[creatorlord101]

srry the message wasdeleted half way through look below.

[BenVdd]

and for the 3 activation thingy , i don't think it is that hard to get EA to reactivate it? as long as you have the proof you own the game.

[creatorlord101]

Im not an expert on these things, being a casual player, but if securom ruined a load of peoples computers they would know it was EA's fault. Therefore EA would lose a lot of customers and a hell lotta money. Ea isnt stupid and will know this. Therefore isnt it possible that they have tried to make this securom as safe as possible since they know that if people are "Infected" then they might lose money from that potential customer. I think we are all getting a bit confused here and EA needs to contact us all and tell us what they are exactly doing.

[777788889999]

Originally Posted by BenVdd

and for the 3 activation thingy , i don't think it is that hard to get EA to reactivate it? as long as you have the proof you own the game.

How would you prove that? If you tell them your serial number, you could have gotten it from a friend.
If you send in a picture where you are holding your DVD, it could be someone else's and the same goes for receipts...
You cant really proof that it is YOUR game. But all this is stupid because if I bought it and I could make them send me an activation then I could do that just to give the game to a friend. So what does EA win with this system? Nothing!

[BenVdd]

err i guess :
1: The CD key is linked to a login name
2: They could make your new key overwrite your original one thus having to re-validate your account with the new given key

[777788889999]

I dont think youll get a new key or that its linked to a login name... but what do I know...

[BenVdd]

well i'm guessing if they'd be smart they'd do it this way ...
like in Trackmania United ..

[Thundercloud]

Originally Posted by 777788889999

I dont think youll get a new key or that its linked to a login name... but what do I know...

First part, yeah, not sure you would. It'd be a deft way of handling it though.

And CD keys are linked to login names. It's like, the first thing it does when you load the full version of the CC.

[Wishbone77]

If the CD key is linked to your account, then:

• The game cannot be resold (although the 3 activations limit has already taken care of that) so bye-bye second hand games market
• Multiple users cannot play the same copy of the game (even though you can install it on 3 different machines)
• The game cannot be copied and given to friends (which is the only form of piracy they'll ever be able to combat)

Interestingly enough, linking the CD key to the account would do exactly what EA claims to be trying to achieve with SecuROM, only... You don't need SecuROM for that. You simply need to link the CD key to the account, which is a server-side only issue. It would even be possible (if they allowed it) to close your account, thus making it possible to create a new account for that CD key (which would mean that you could sell the game second hand). As long as there can only be one account for each CD key at a time, there would be no problem. This would mean, of course, that you would need to buy a copy for each member of the household that wanted to play, unless you wanted to share an account, but I consider that less of a problem than SecuROM.

[BenVdd]

Originally Posted by Wishbone77

If the CD key is linked to your account, then:

• The game cannot be resold (although the 3 activations limit has already taken care of that) so bye-bye second hand games market
• Multiple users cannot play the same copy of the game (even though you can install it on 3 different machines)
• The game cannot be copied and given to friends (which is the only form of piracy they'll ever be able to combat)

Interestingly enough, linking the CD key to the account would do exactly what EA claims to be trying to achieve with SecuROM, only... You don't need SecuROM for that. You simply need to link the CD key to the account, which is a server-side only issue. It would even be possible (if they allowed it) to close your account, thus making it possible to create a new account for that CD key (which would mean that you could sell the game second hand). As long as there can only be one account for each CD key at a time, there would be no problem. This would mean, of course, that you would need to buy a copy for each member of the household that wanted to play, unless you wanted to share an account, but I consider that less of a problem than SecuROM.

errm , it sais you can install it on 3 pc's , not that you get 3 accounts and well , 2nd hand games market was about to extinct for the pc anyways.
And yeh , secuRom rlly does not contribute to anti-piracy at all , but oh-well it really doesnt bother me all that much

[Wishbone77]

Originally Posted by BenVdd

errm , it sais you can install it on 3 pc's , not that you get 3 accounts

Right, but it doesn't say that you cannot register a new installation to a different account. The bottom line is, we don't know. Anyway, what's your point?

Originally Posted by BenVdd

and well , 2nd hand games market was about to extinct for the pc anyways.

Don't know what makes you say that. I see plenty of second hand PC games at stores that deal in such things.

Originally Posted by BenVdd

And yeh , secuRom rlly does not contribute to anti-piracy at all , but oh-well it really doesnt bother me all that much

Fine. Good for you. Now, do you mind if the people who do have a problem with it discuss it?

[BenVdd]

Originally Posted by Wishbone77

Right, but it doesn't say that you cannot register a new installation to a different account. The bottom line is, we don't know. Anyway, what's your point?

Don't know what makes you say that. I see plenty of second hand PC games at stores that deal in such things.

Fine. Good for you. Now, do you mind if the people who do have a problem with it discuss it?

1 i think it will be 1 CD key 1 account , like most of the games
2 since most of the new games need a Valid login to play online (and i think most of the PC gamers are online gamers.. ) . so you would get the account name and password when you buy it. Now it is really easy for the person selling the game to change the password making the buyer unable to acces the online account
3 Hmm , didn't mean to offend anyone , was just saying