Spore + SecuROM = Death

[HainLeKes]

Originally Posted by 5xkwsk

Please join the group against this by changing your signature.

Nope, Im still going to buy spore, I dont care about SecuROM.

[5xkwsk]

I'm afraid you won't be saying that when you buy and install the game.

[Dante288]

He's right you know, just wait until it overides your abilities as administrator, destroys all your software, hardware, and then you will try to uninstall it with spore, and you will realize it can't be uninstalled without some sort of third party installer

[777788889999]

Well, this is the problem. If people are ignorant to what this really means for us then EA can keep on doing whatever they want.

[5xkwsk]

Yep agree with both 777788889999 and Dante 288, it's true it really does mess your PC up I just can't till you realize that first hand.

[Watashiii]

Originally Posted by HainLeKes

Nope, Im still going to buy spore, I dont care about SecuROM.

You could install Bonzi Buddy while you're at it. It might help you surf the net

[SuperAndy]

whats bonzi buddy??
also, it seems only the threads where people can protest against secuROM remain active

[777788889999]

Originally Posted by SuperAndy

whats bonzi buddy??
also, it seems only the threads where people can protest against secuROM remain active

Well, people are reacting... we want to stop this anti-piracy lalalala that doesnt help the cause anyway... Its not OK that EA installs spyware, malware, rootkits or any of the like on my PC. I want to play Spore and I would buy Spore if it wasnt for this... lalalala...

[Thundercloud]

Originally Posted by Dante288

He's right you know, just wait until it overides your abilities as administrator, destroys all your software, hardware, and then you will try to uninstall it with spore, and you will realize it can't be uninstalled without some sort of third party installer

Okay seriously, dude, you've completely misread what's going on here. You're making out like SecuROM will wipe all your software and introduce hardware faults to your computer, and that it'll stop you doing everything ever as administrator.

Now whilst i'm not advocating SecuROM, it is a rather silly piece of software to say the least, I thought i'd at least point out that the effects that you're saying here and she's talking about are nowhere NEAR as extreme as you're making them out to be.

1: SecuROM basically disables the administrators powers to try and remove itself, as if you could just go and delete it straight away, it wouldn't be much of a "piracy defence". Obviously it doesn't work as there are 3rd party uninstallers anyway.

2: There's no record of SecuROM interfering with Hard Drive operation. At all. SecuROM is known to prevent people making copies of games by disabling CD/DVD burners, and at times it can funk up unexpectedly but this is hardly a permanent hardware fault!

3: SecuROM has been known to interfere with AV programs and some game launching, but this isn't a 100% thing. It's also been known in some cases to cause severe damage to windows, but again, not 100% Admitted it'd be better if it wasn't there at all but installing SecuROM is not guaranteed to screw up all your software.

So basically, what i'm saying here is the following:

SecuROM, yes, it's bad. Yes, i'd rather not have it on my computer, but people seem to be blowing it's effects WAY out of proportion!

And with that, I move on. Oh plus I run linux, so I just have windows around for gaming. Can't get mah private data if there ain't none to get (Speaking of which, just to point out one last thing, of course there could be a chance to abuse SecuROM, it's a rootkit! It's the type of thing which hackers have been using for years!)

[5xkwsk]

Exactly 777788889999, this is the point we are trying to get across but some people can't see it.

[5xkwsk]

No Thundercloud, it has been far from blown out of proportion I can assure you that. You are taking this all the wrong way, all of this is directed towards EA not you, you either support SecuROM or you don't, there is no grey area.

[Thundercloud]

Originally Posted by 5xkwsk

No Thundercloud, it has been far from blown out of proportion I can assure you that. You are taking this all the wrong way, all of this is directed towards EA not you, you either support SecuROM or you don't, there is no grey area.

I've got nothing against your crusade, I didn't take it personally or anything. I just think that certain people are exaggerating the effects of SecuROM a LOT. It seems to me that some people believe that installing SecuROM will cause your system to become unstable and crash within the following five minutes, with a corresponding destruction of your actual PC itself.

Please, if you want to war against SecuROM go ahead, but don't go spreading FUD. SecuROM is a disease yes but it's a disease like a cold. It's usually not the end of the world if you get one.

Oh also for the record, Bioshock came with SecuROM didn't it? Well by that respect it seems i've been running SecuROM on my windows install for the good portion of a year now (I didn't know yes, but as i've said I run linux so it doesn't bother me) and my PC's still going strong.

[777788889999]

Originally Posted by Thundercloud

(Speaking of which, just to point out one last thing, of course there could be a chance to abuse SecuROM, it's a rootkit! It's the type of thing which hackers have been using for years!)

Well that sounds promising... haha... Im really looking forward to getting that on my hard drive.

[5xkwsk]

I do see where you are coming from Thundercloud, however something must be done, oh and as regard to bioshock does anyone remember the activation servers clogging up on the first day of release?

[Thundercloud]

Originally Posted by 777788889999

Well that sounds promising... haha... Im really looking forward to getting that on my hard drive.

Yep, it's great fun. And by that I mean rootkits installed by hackers are installed for the express purpose so that they can get into your system. Ie: It connects to one of their PCs. An anonymous hacker. You can bet if SecuROM started accessing everyone's data and deleting stuff people would know about it. Fast.

[Thundercloud]

Originally Posted by 5xkwsk

I do see where you are coming from Thundercloud, however something must be done, oh and as regard to bioshock does anyone remember the activation servers clogging up on the first day of release?

Yeah, but fight the good fight.

And also I remember hearing about it but I got it a few weeks after it was released so it didn't bother me.

Thinking about it though, Maxis best have their internet pipes open wide! I guess that's why there's a staggered release... actually that makes sense Just glad the UK gets a day all to itself. Hopefully they won't be as clogged!

[777788889999]

Originally Posted by Thundercloud

Yep, it's great fun. And by that I mean rootkits installed by hackers are installed for the express purpose so that they can get into your system. Ie: It connects to one of their PCs. An anonymous hacker. You can bet if SecuROM started accessing everyone's data and deleting stuff people would know about it. Fast.

But if they didnt delete anything but just spied a little and sent the information back to base, then I wouldnt know right? And are you saying that if EA wanted they COULD go into my system because I installed SecuROM with the game?

[Dante288]

thats exactly what hes saying, for you see, SecuROM, is the son of the virtual devil that is E.A.

[Thundercloud]

Originally Posted by 777788889999

But if they didnt delete anything but just spied a little and sent the information back to base, then I wouldnt know right? And are you saying that if EA wanted they COULD go into my system because I installed SecuROM with the game?

Oh I doubt that the facility to actually peruse any bit of data on your computer is in there. There are enough windows geeks around the world to dissect pretty much any program, so they'd find that kind of thing fast.

And plus another thing is that nothing is untraceable in the internet on that level. Again, windows geeks who hate SecuROM would be constantly on the lookout for connections from EA/other people or data packets being transmitted somewhere. They'd be found out preeeeeetty damn fast.

[BenVdd]

1 what kind of information do you think they are interested in...
2 Yup i guess EA COULD do that.

[5xkwsk]

SecuROM is a bad thing.

[Watashiii]

Originally Posted by SuperAndy

whats bonzi buddy??

Oh, you lucky man. You missed this wonderful gem of the internet

Scumware: Bonzi Buddy & SaveNow Companion

But you'll probably relive it through SecuROM

[Dante288]

Originally Posted by 5xkwsk

SecuROM is a bad thing.

amen(to my atheist none existant god)

[BenVdd]

We arent saying it is a good thing , but it's something i won't bother having installed in the end if it does **** up my pc i DL a 3th party proggie , delete it and dl a craclalalalaig deal

[5xkwsk]

But why should you have to download a crack? You bought the game legally you should not have to download a crack when you paid money for the game.