Spore + SecuROM = Death

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i heard about it in 2005 and amazon said it was comming out in 2005 december lol so i pre-oreder it then.^^

[SharonQ27]

Personally I'm sick of hearing about SecuROM. If it bothers you that much just don't buy the game. Making a big fuss about it in these forums won't make a bit of difference to it being included or excluded from the game in the end.

[NicMacc]

Originally Posted by SharonQ27

Personally I'm sick of hearing about SecuROM. If it bothers you that much just don't buy the game. Making a big fuss about it in these forums won't make a bit of difference to it being included or excluded from the game in the end.

whilst you're probably right in spores case, EA might learn for the future. A fuss should be made! (so long as it doesnt resort to scare mongering :P)

[MetroPolice]

Wow. This thread still lives on as a chat thread. =)

[GrimmVI]

blah blah blah blah blah! My god! Why can't you just all agree on what will finally happen!

1 guy buys spore
1 guy cracks spore
1 guy distributes spore to everyones
1 million guys and gals enjoy spore

simple as.

[5xkwsk]

Originally Posted by GrimmVI

blah blah blah blah blah! My god! Why can't you just all agree on what will finally happen!

1 guy buys spore
1 guy cracks spore
1 guy distributes spore to everyones
1 million guys and gals enjoy spore

simple as.

Yes, yes ,yes, that is exactly my view now, I think that's what I will do, I will be one of those 1 million guys and gals, well no just one of the guys.

[MetroPolice]

Thats still a little far away tho. Itl take a few months till Spore gets a functional crack without spywares.

[orifice]

Originally Posted by MetroPolice

Thats still a little far away tho. Itl take a few months till Spore gets a functional crack without spywares.

About 5 or 6 days actually!! (don't ask me how I know this!)

[MetroPolice]

Originally Posted by orifice

About 5 or 6 days actually!! (don't ask me how I know this!)

=) .. hope youll share your link with us.

[NicMacc]

and so, the need for things like SecuROM is confirmed

piracy is bad people! :P have you not all seen the annoying little movie that shows on the beginning of every DVD...you wouldnt steal a BABY!?

[Watashiii]

Originally Posted by NicMacc

you wouldnt steal a BABY!?

If an adoption agency shoves a probe up your behind when you adopt a baby, yes, I'd rather steal it, thank you very much

[Mokkun]

Originally Posted by NicMacc

and so, the need for things like SecuROM is confirmed

piracy is bad people! :P have you not all seen the annoying little movie that shows on the beginning of every DVD...you wouldnt steal a BABY!?

notice he only menchoned a crack, not a download, i frequently download nocd cracks for my games so i dont have to have a huge cd box next to my computer, or in a folder whit my laptop. those files are called cracks, and they only work if you have the game allready installed, and in most cases, they actually work BETTER than the original file, since the crack is not affected by Securoms shoddy programming.

[Secataal]

Originally Posted by HainLeKes

It's simple, SecuROM cant 'destroy' your pc, it cant take over your PC administor system, because it's illegal. It just seems that SecuROM has gotten bad press in the past, and some people here are overreacting simply, because they have been waiting for Spore for such a long time, they here about SecuROM, and dont want it to ruin their game.

yes, cos illegality stops everything doesnt it

it being illegal means squat, so ur saying that thers no chance ill ever be murdered, of hit by a drink driver, cos its illegal. secuROM has got bad press because it is bad, it does take over administrative access, but it only does it to stop the virus scanners from finding it.
but yeh, i do agree that sum ppl hav been over reacting oh well

[Lethn]

I personally have not seen much evidence from SecuROM that they're invading my PC but one thing I have noticed particularly when it comes to it that worries me is:

. The damn thing was detected as a virus by AVG when I installed a full legitimate copy of Bioshock, that in itself is to make me feel MORE than a little twitchy that a corporation is willing to put that kind of software in a CD. I don't want to pay money only to have something working in the background when I'm not looking, sure punkbuster does that but it stays right in the game and doesn't try to change anything else, it's only when you try cheating that it reacts, exactly as the software was advertised.

. I have noticed a disturbing trend in ANY cds that have any sort of copyright protection on them that they actually work horribly but when you put a crack on them and make it go completely digital then it's fine, there are games like Baldurs Gate 2 and Startopia that actually run just smoother and better than some of the most modern games just because they don't have any copy protection doing stuff in the background while you play the game.

These two things are enough to make me not want SecuROM on my PC, if that means that I have to pirate the game and get a crack then so be it, I could care less if a company loses money because of it, that kind of software should not be on the CD in the first place and for the record my computer is built for 3D Modelling so it'd take something like Crysis or Supreme Commander to bring it down.

They should at least, at LEAST have the option for people to uninstall it if they want to, I don't give a lalalala personally if it's piracy protection but nothing like that gives them a right to stop legitimate customers from playing their games.

[Cyberfrog]

Again, SecuROM is not a virus. Any detection is a false positive, usually caused by a funky registry entry. Ask the people behind your anti-virus software if you don't believe it.

Secondly, SecuROM doesn't "take over your PC administor system". But it does give itself administrator-level rights on your computer (even if the Windows account you use is not Administrator), giving itself some control over which software you get to use and CD/DVDs you get to burn/use. Which stinks, and should be illegal if it isn't.

[Thundercloud]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaactually if you're installing a game to just YOUR user (Ie: not installing under administrator) it doesn't give itself administrator privileges. It's impossible to, the security isn't THAT bad, you need to be installing it as administrator in order to give it administrator rights. If it doesn't, then it installs itself to Ring 3 as opposed to Ring 0. How exactly that differs i'm not sure mind.

[Lethn]

I hate to sound paranoid but I couldn't give a sod if it's 'not' a virus it got detected on anti-virus software I have plenty of other legitimate games copies that also have protection on them and NONE of them have reacted in this way so that means that it is doing something which it shouldn't which some Anti-Virus softwares are detecting.

Also it doesn't take a genious to know that different anti-virus softwares use different levels of protection and have different virus databases in them, not trying to start a flame war or anything but like I said I just don't simply trust ANYTHING that gives itself of as a virus.

Personally as I said before I wouldn't know about the administrator thing because I uninstalled the game immediately but like I said in the above, the virus detection side of this does worry me.

[Cyberfrog]

If you won't believe anti-virus software can give out false positives, I guess that is your right - even if it is silly. "Not trying to start a flame war or anything".



Thundercloud: Ok, but:

User Access Service
SecuROM™ will install a Windows™ service module called "User Access Service" (UAService) on your system. This is a standard interface commonly used by several other applications as well. It is no spyware or rootkit at all. This module has been developed to enable users without Windows™ administrator rights the ability to access all SecuROM™ features. Please be assured that this service is installed only for security and convenience purposes. Since it is a standard Windows™ service, you can stop and delete this service, like any other Windows™ service. If deleted, the access for non-administrator users to SecuROM™ protected applications will be affected.


Source: SecuROM

Did I read too much into that?

[flatfroggerx]

Anything can cause a false detect with antivirus programs. You hear stories all the time about some companies antivirus program causing a false detect with its latest update and it causing all sorts of issues in a business or two. The other week antivir was giving issues with daemon tools (which I use legally to test and build images for content to be deployed).

[MetroPolice]

What? Who? Where? I think i fell asleep.

[Thundercloud]

Originally Posted by Cyberfrog

If you won't believe anti-virus software can give out false positives, I guess that is your right - even if it is silly. "Not trying to start a flame war or anything".



Thundercloud: Ok, but:

Did I read too much into that?

Yeah you pretty much did I think. The point of UAService seems to be to provide the same kind of *ahem* fabulous features that SecuROM has for non-admin users. I mean, SecuROM needs to be running in order to play SecuROM protected games, so they need to have some kind of non-admin version. It pretty much provides the same level of restriction but for the one user only as opposed to all users. My guess is:

Ring 0 is the device driver level, so SecuROM with administrator access puts stuff in there in order to track virtual drives and lalalala.

Ring 3 is the unprivileged user level, but SecuROM could still track virtual drives for that user I bet.

We'll see.

[777788889999]

Originally Posted by MetroPolice

Thats still a little far away tho. Itl take a few months till Spore gets a functional crack without spywares.

My God... Where do you get your information!? What planet are you from man?

[Watashiii]

Maybe it will take them years to get a functional crack

[Yamakuzy]

wow, i can now officialy say that EA has become video gamings Adolf hitler with SecureROM as its army

lawl, but jokes aside, this has me worried, as i actualy have the creature creator on my pc, although i dont see any problems with my pc so far.

[BenVdd]

great , thanks for reviving this ....
*thinks back to 1 month ago *
ooh yay Spore + SecuROM = Death has been burried , finally...