Spore Copy Protection Q&A - Page 9

Scopeslave · 08-08-2008, 08:57 AM

I have read this thread through out of pure interest for what you guys have to say regarding copy protection and DRM more than the game itself..

I agree with just about every single one of you. Truth is, I dont blame EA for wanting to protect its intellectual property or making sure it doesnt lose money (they're running a business after all). But this is an issue about piracy, thats affecting customer service and soon loyalty. Realising this I beleive there are much much better systems out there, and it being their business, EA should realise this also.

Something like the systems used by Adobe are so much better, they actually let you DE-activate a product within the software itself. So you can make changes to your system, re-install using your cd-key and then RE-activate. This way so you dont take up any more activations or licences than you need or should have. User controlled DE-activation would also benefit those that buy the game buy giving them the option to trade in as it can be re-used so easily... Something which I have seen issues with over and over again in the Battlefield section. Shops keep accepting BF's as trade ins, people buy them because they dont know better. Can't get them to work due to registration/activation. Then end up on here posting questions and getting told to contact EA Support, leading to frustration because the support is, lets be honest, below par and just send them back here. Making them even more hacked off.

I really hope you guys get a good product that works how you expect it to. Providing enjoyment rather than stress. Looks like a good game and if re-installations are smooth and trouble free I may even try it myself... I'll be watching this forum like a hawk in the meantime though to make sure thats the case.

Here's hoping, keep us posted after the release, im sure you will.

Regs

p.s. wheres the petition.

wildneb · 08-08-2008, 09:39 AM

petition is right here Spore DRM Overhaul Petition : [ powered by iPetitions.com ]

scope slave

wildneb · 08-08-2008, 09:57 AM

i have also updated the text to make it more general about games, but still mentioned spore. Feel free to contact me if you still feel it needs changes

Maint · 08-08-2008, 10:36 AM

well i whud have sight the petition if it wasent for the donation thing

Peteuplink2 · 08-08-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Maint

well i whud have sight the petition if it wasent for the donation thing

I didn't have to donate and I signed it.

DRM Overhaul Petition : [ powered by iPetitions.com ]

Willjam · 08-08-2008, 10:48 AM

Iam abit tried of that copy proctecting thing, but that dont damage the game i hope they still make a great game and maybe they dont think about more then money but remember who there give them the money its us so if you dont want them to get money then dont buy Spore, Sims, Need for Speed and all the other games they make

flatfroggerx · 08-08-2008, 07:40 PM

You have already signed and its been recorded if it asks for donation just close the page.

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Originally Posted by Willjam

Iam abit tried of that copy proctecting thing, but that dont damage the game i hope they still make a great game and maybe they dont think about more then money but remember who there give them the money its us so if you dont want them to get money then dont buy Spore, Sims, Need for Speed and all the other games they make

Also funny you say that because Mass effect and spore where EA's two latest PC games, I suspect this same protection will be on Dead Space/Mirrors Edge/Need for Speed: Undercover/Sims 3/Whatever Sims 2 expansions come out inbetween/Command and Conquer:Red Alert 3.

I wouldn't be surprised if people download these illegally out of spite.

wildneb · 08-08-2008, 07:58 PM

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Also funny you say that because Mass effect and spore where EA's two latest PC games, I suspect this same protection will be on Dead Space/Mirrors Edge/Need for Speed: Undercover/Sims 3/Whatever Sims 2 expansions come out inbetween/Command and Conquer:Red Alert 3.

i just picked two games out the air i knew about

Quote:

well i whud have sight the petition if it wasent for the donation thing

should be able to skip past it, I didnt donate, and im pretty sure no one else did

777788889999 · 09-08-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by flatfroggerx

I wouldn't be surprised if people download these illegally out of spite.

Pirates don't have many problems with games, but customers do so I think you are right. EA will make people pirate their games, so I hope they don't complain about the situation later, since it's their own fault for treating customers like this.

flatfroggerx · 09-08-2008, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wildneb

i just picked two games out the air i knew about

Yeah I know, I just flagged the game titles and expanded the list a bit, nothing against you more franchises the more aware of the problem people become.

777788889999 · 09-08-2008, 02:45 AM

Actually they should print a caution on the game box that you are limited to 3 activations or tell you about this if you buy the game online. I think its a real scam what they are trying to do.

Charca · 09-08-2008, 03:05 AM

mmm.

maybe if they link it to your user name and password,then you can reactivate as many times as you log in..

regards...charca...

flatfroggerx · 09-08-2008, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Charca

mmm.

maybe if they link it to your user name and password,then you can reactivate as many times as you log in..

regards...charca...

You would of thought so, or allowed you to group 3 EA accounts to 1 cdkey but noooooooooooooo...

We are talking logic here, unless logic = money for EA they don't think it.

Instead you get the stupid loop and fleecing of details as they asked sweet, why they asked for a postal/zip code is beyond me, that should have 0 bearing on anything especially with digital distribution.

JohnConnor101 · 09-08-2008, 09:09 AM

It's so they can sell on their mailing list so you can be spammed by other advertisers / for their market research deparetment, so they know where the game is and isn't selling and modify their promotions accordingly.

Zaerus · 09-08-2008, 12:56 PM

am i the only one who thinks that this whole "we all loose our discs! so we'll do a nodisc thing and nanny you like mad." is one big joke? I dont loose my discs, and highly prefer having a disc inside the drive over having all this autenticating lalalala ANY day (forgive my language here, but this is just NUTS). The benifits escape me on this whole DRM thing because honestly who wants to contact EA after installing 3 times to get their game running again.
I cant even concieve how to propperly express howmuch this whole fiasco frustrates me... if you want to stop piracy, start acting like you do and start protecting your customers. Or did ea get so big it doesn't care about it's customers anymore? (oh yeah, thats right, it already is like that.)

For everyone not liking this rant, well sorry. I just wanted to express my oppoinion and point of view. (Hope thats still legal *sarcasm*)

Peteuplink2 · 09-08-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaerus

am i the only one who thinks that this whole "we all loose our discs! so we'll do a nodisc thing and nanny you like mad." is one big joke? I dont loose my discs, and highly prefer having a disc inside the drive over having all this autenticating lalalala ANY day (forgive my language here, but this is just NUTS). The benifits escape me on this whole DRM thing because honestly who wants to contact EA after installing 3 times to get their game running again.
I cant even concieve how to propperly express howmuch this whole fiasco frustrates me... if you want to stop piracy, start acting like you do and start protecting your customers. Or did ea get so big it doesn't care about it's customers anymore? (oh yeah, thats right, it already is like that.)

For everyone not liking this rant, well sorry. I just wanted to express my oppoinion and point of view. (Hope thats still legal *sarcasm*)

I agree with you about all points... I for one have been playing computer games since the 80's and I've owned 1,000's of games... And never once have I lost a disk...

Eroneouse · 09-08-2008, 02:42 PM

/Signed.

Here and the petition. I shall update my threads here and there with a link to the petition nice one for starting it.

Charca · 09-08-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Peteuplink2

I agree with you about all points... I for one have been playing computer games since the 80's and I've owned 1,000's of games... And never once have I lost a disk...

I have been playing game that long too

I still have my first game ,on tape drive,

.(Elite ,for the bbc).i have never lost it,That is a bit lame to say people lose things like there best games...haha.

best regards ..charca

Willjam · 09-08-2008, 03:50 PM

I only lose games if they are too old and cant be played any more

Zaerus · 09-08-2008, 08:15 PM

*post removed by user*

Maint · 09-08-2008, 08:53 PM

well, why dont we all send an e-male to Will himself, or has it alredy been done

but then again, maybe it was him that put this lalalala in in the first plase

well i as i have said urlier, i will buy it no matter what, i have been waiting for this game sines i her about it over 2 years ago

Peteuplink2 · 09-08-2008, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maint

well, why dont we all send an e-male to Will himself, or has it alredy been done

but then again, maybe it was him that put this lalalala in in the first plase

well i as i have said urlier, i will buy it no matter what, i have been waiting for this game sines i her about it over 2 years ago

Well I went on a search to see if I could find any contact information directly to Maxis and I've been unable to find any. I was thinking it might be worth alerting Maxis to the fact that there is a lot of talk of people boycotting this game due to EA's propsed copy protection system... I dunno about anyone else, but if I was Maxis I wouldn't like a game I've put a LOT of work into flop just because the publishers were busy alienating their fanbase.

Zaerus · 09-08-2008, 10:41 PM

*removed comment*

-.- gotta admit that i just know you're right flatfroggerx

bleh. i hate letting this game slip by. but throwing money away isn't my thing either...

flatfroggerx · 09-08-2008, 11:31 PM

Zaerus, you DO NOT get activations back, even if you "uninstall properly" there is NO revocation. More so EA support is a farce, look at what sweet is going through, its been near a week he's no where near a resolution for reactivation of his CC

Exuvo · 09-08-2008, 11:31 PM

Hello i have been seeing forward to Spore, but seeing now that it has this lalalalala anti-piracy protection that will force me to either buy a new spore copy or call (and pay for the phone) each 6 months i will probably not buy this game.
I have signed the petition and sent its link to all my friends who also are intrested in the game.

I have written an email that i have send to EA but i will probably get the same respones as everyone else...
The message is sent i have uploaded on to my server at: http://exuvo.no-ip.org/sporecomplain.txt

Its fairly long

I have also been trying to find any way of contacting Maxis or anyone developing the game but to no sucess.

We should probably send emails to pc game news "companies" or web pages as IGN PC: Games, Cheats, News, Reviews, and Previews and alert them to this issue and the link to the petition, and hope that we can make more people aware of this problem with EAs decision with Spore.
I could write to ign and some other places but i would prefer if someone of you guys (or girls) that are a little more involved in the subject write to them.

08-08-2008, 09:39 AM	#202 (permalink)
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09-08-2008, 02:42 PM	#217 (permalink)
Eroneouse Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Gender: Male Posts: 809	/Signed. Here and the petition. I shall update my threads here and there with a link to the petition nice one for starting it. __________________ Do you know you have a pencil up your nose sir. Ohh err yes Ive been sleep doodling... I am very bad at it.

09-08-2008, 08:15 PM	#220 (permalink)
Zaerus Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19	post removed by user Last edited by Zaerus; 09-08-2008 at 11:10 PM.. Reason: obsolete comment

09-08-2008, 10:41 PM	#223 (permalink)
Zaerus Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19	removed comment -.- gotta admit that i just know you're right flatfroggerx bleh. i hate letting this game slip by. but throwing money away isn't my thing either... Last edited by Zaerus; 10-08-2008 at 02:24 AM.. Reason: no need for it anymore

08-08-2008, 08:57 AM	#201 (permalink)
Scopeslave Rookie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Essex - U.K. Age: 30 Gender: Male Posts: 340	I have read this thread through out of pure interest for what you guys have to say regarding copy protection and DRM more than the game itself.. I agree with just about every single one of you. Truth is, I dont blame EA for wanting to protect its intellectual property or making sure it doesnt lose money (they're running a business after all). But this is an issue about piracy, thats affecting customer service and soon loyalty. Realising this I beleive there are much much better systems out there, and it being their business, EA should realise this also. Something like the systems used by Adobe are so much better, they actually let you DE-activate a product within the software itself. So you can make changes to your system, re-install using your cd-key and then RE-activate. This way so you dont take up any more activations or licences than you need or should have. User controlled DE-activation would also benefit those that buy the game buy giving them the option to trade in as it can be re-used so easily... Something which I have seen issues with over and over again in the Battlefield section. Shops keep accepting BF's as trade ins, people buy them because they dont know better. Can't get them to work due to registration/activation. Then end up on here posting questions and getting told to contact EA Support, leading to frustration because the support is, lets be honest, below par and just send them back here. Making them even more hacked off. I really hope you guys get a good product that works how you expect it to. Providing enjoyment rather than stress. Looks like a good game and if re-installations are smooth and trouble free I may even try it myself... I'll be watching this forum like a hawk in the meantime though to make sure thats the case. Here's hoping, keep us posted after the release, im sure you will. Regs p.s. wheres the petition.

08-08-2008, 10:36 AM	#204 (permalink)
Maint Rookie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Norway Age: 36 Posts: 226	well i whud have sight the petition if it wasent for the donation thing

08-08-2008, 10:48 AM	#206 (permalink)
Willjam Rookie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denmark Age: 17 Posts: 116	Iam abit tried of that copy proctecting thing, but that dont damage the game i hope they still make a great game and maybe they dont think about more then money but remember who there give them the money its us so if you dont want them to get money then dont buy Spore, Sims, Need for Speed and all the other games they make

09-08-2008, 02:45 AM	#211 (permalink)
777788889999 Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sweden Age: 27 Posts: 179	Actually they should print a caution on the game box that you are limited to 3 activations or tell you about this if you buy the game online. I think its a real scam what they are trying to do.

09-08-2008, 03:05 AM	#212 (permalink)
Charca Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 29	mmm. maybe if they link it to your user name and password,then you can reactivate as many times as you log in.. regards...charca...

09-08-2008, 09:09 AM	#214 (permalink)
JohnConnor101 Forum Guru Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,140	It's so they can sell on their mailing list so you can be spammed by other advertisers / for their market research deparetment, so they know where the game is and isn't selling and modify their promotions accordingly.

09-08-2008, 12:56 PM	#215 (permalink)
Zaerus Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19	am i the only one who thinks that this whole "we all loose our discs! so we'll do a nodisc thing and nanny you like mad." is one big joke? I dont loose my discs, and highly prefer having a disc inside the drive over having all this autenticating lalalala ANY day (forgive my language here, but this is just NUTS). The benifits escape me on this whole DRM thing because honestly who wants to contact EA after installing 3 times to get their game running again. I cant even concieve how to propperly express howmuch this whole fiasco frustrates me... if you want to stop piracy, start acting like you do and start protecting your customers. Or did ea get so big it doesn't care about it's customers anymore? (oh yeah, thats right, it already is like that.) For everyone not liking this rant, well sorry. I just wanted to express my oppoinion and point of view. (Hope thats still legal sarcasm)

09-08-2008, 03:50 PM	#219 (permalink)
Willjam Rookie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Denmark Age: 17 Posts: 116	I only lose games if they are too old and cant be played any more

09-08-2008, 08:53 PM	#221 (permalink)
Maint Rookie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Norway Age: 36 Posts: 226	well, why dont we all send an e-male to Will himself, or has it alredy been done but then again, maybe it was him that put this lalalala in in the first plase well i as i have said urlier, i will buy it no matter what, i have been waiting for this game sines i her about it over 2 years ago

09-08-2008, 11:31 PM	#224 (permalink)
flatfroggerx Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,960	Zaerus, you DO NOT get activations back, even if you "uninstall properly" there is NO revocation. More so EA support is a farce, look at what sweet is going through, its been near a week he's no where near a resolution for reactivation of his CC

09-08-2008, 11:31 PM	#225 (permalink)
Exuvo Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7	Hello Hello i have been seeing forward to Spore, but seeing now that it has this lalalalala anti-piracy protection that will force me to either buy a new spore copy or call (and pay for the phone) each 6 months i will probably not buy this game. I have signed the petition and sent its link to all my friends who also are intrested in the game. I have written an email that i have send to EA but i will probably get the same respones as everyone else... The message is sent i have uploaded on to my server at: http://exuvo.no-ip.org/sporecomplain.txt Its fairly long I have also been trying to find any way of contacting Maxis or anyone developing the game but to no sucess. We should probably send emails to pc game news "companies" or web pages as IGN PC: Games, Cheats, News, Reviews, and Previews and alert them to this issue and the link to the petition, and hope that we can make more people aware of this problem with EAs decision with Spore. I could write to ign and some other places but i would prefer if someone of you guys (or girls) that are a little more involved in the subject write to them.