Spore Copy Protection Q&A - Page 61

flatfroggerx · 19-09-2008, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by IPBry

I can not believe some of the posts in this topic. They just sound like people excusing their steeling habits!

Any company is rightfully entitled to protect its assets & all intellectual property is under serious threat at the moment because there are too many people who just don't see the need to pay for the hard work of others.

DON'T BLAME OR FLAME EA! Blame the pirates & help EA to come up with a less intrusive & easy way to protect what is rightfully theirs...

If you don't like the game don't buy it. If you don't like the padlocks blame the thieves!

Noone here openly admitted to pirating in the game. Given how you claim to of read most of this thread yet you spit out the same droll which has been countered in this thread i'm just going to tell you to go read it again and come up with something original if you aren't troll. Which im guess you are btw.

IPBry · 19-09-2008, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatfroggerx

Noone here openly admitted to pirating in the game. Given how you claim to of read most of this thread yet you spit out the same droll which has been countered in this thread i'm just going to tell you to go read it again and come up with something original if you aren't troll. Which im guess you are btw.

You have your point of view & i have mine, nuff said btw.

Malgor · 19-09-2008, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPBry

I can not believe some of the posts in this topic. They just sound like people excusing their steeling habits!

Any company is rightfully entitled to protect its assets & all intellectual property is under serious threat at the moment because there are too many people who just don't see the need to pay for the hard work of others.

DON'T BLAME OR FLAME EA! Blame the pirates & help EA to come up with a less intrusive & easy way to protect what is rightfully theirs...

If you don't like the game don't buy it. If you don't like the padlocks blame the thieves!

*yawn* Again? Where do people get the idea that this has anything to do with piracy? Oh, is it because EA says it does? Oh, alright then, let's just give all our basic rights away - who are we to stand in the way of profit!?

IPBry, the next time you go to buy a car, just pay at the showroom and let them keep it - it is safer there than sitting outside your house, where it might get stolen. Also, the next time you go grocery shopping, leave the bags at the customer service desk instead of taking them home - the store has much better security than your fridge.

Sound stupid? What you are saying is not much better. Claiming that people are using DRM as an 'excuse' for piracy is not only narrowminded and ill-informed, it is illogical, irrational, and plainly wrong - not to mention that it has been rebuked several times in this thread already.

I do not argue that EA has the right to protect their *intellectual* property - and no-one has said (or is saying) otherwise (which you would know if you had actually read the thread). This right, however, does not, and must not ever come before the right of the consumer. The customer has the *right* to expect (and receive) a product which matches description and is fit for its purpose - and EA are eroding this right. If we do not fight against DRM systems like SecuROM, you and I will have no rights left.

If you fail to see the larger issue here, then I feel sorry for you - it must be hard to get kicked in the head every day by companies like EA and then stand up and thank them for it.

flatfroggerx · 19-09-2008, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPBry

You have your point of view & i have mine, nuff said btw.

Troll attititude, nuff said btw.

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Originally Posted by flatfroggerx

No you can't.

1 Game = 1 Account.[/q

Just to be clear i can on have one account per computer or one account per atictivation code. If it is one account per computer then can my bro using his account playing his save use the online features while i am using my account using my save when i am using the online features as well

WOAH I would like to retract my previous comment and link you to here:
Breaking News: Ea To Allow Multiple Accounts

Its literally just happened.

Markt75 · 19-09-2008, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPBry

I can not believe some of the posts in this topic. They just sound like people excusing their steeling habits!

Any company is rightfully entitled to protect its assets & all intellectual property is under serious threat at the moment because there are too many people who just don't see the need to pay for the hard work of others.

DON'T BLAME OR FLAME EA! Blame the pirates & help EA to come up with a less intrusive & easy way to protect what is rightfully theirs...

If you don't like the game don't buy it. If you don't like the padlocks blame the thieves!

Ehh, that makes very little sense to me, If I had the pirated version then I would have been playing Spore 3 days before the UK release without any of this SecuROM/Activations rubbish so why would I even come here to complain about it. You would only have seen that happen if the DRM had worked.

It didn't, infact it failed spectacularly. So the only people left complaining are genuine customers (or potential customers) who are still getting kicked in the love spuds thanks to EA+SecuROM+Activation limits.

Sheesh, this has got nothing to do with piracy and EA know it, they just won't admit it imho. ohhh, and I bet the pirates themselves will be happy for any games company to use this SecuROM seeing as how easy they can get round it, they are probably chuffed to bits about any future game that will use it.

flatfroggerx · 19-09-2008, 11:00 PM

Spore: EA Respond To DRM Complaints

hahahahaha, I was right. Its a simple issue that they cant enforce 3 for some and 5 for others. They are bringing it in line with red alert 3 (which has 5). 2 More is not going to help, its still a sack of lalalala.

Crysis warhead uses the same protection uses 5 activations. The game was cracked within 10 mins of launch.... Go figure, EA can take the piracy defence and shove it, when they do stuff like this I have no sympathy regardless how good a game is. It totally negates it.

Braidedheadman · 20-09-2008, 01:28 AM

Still, the changes that they are proposing do make the DRM system a more consumer-friendly process. I understand the need to protect their assets; I support measures that are non-intrusive and that actually work insofar as they do not rob me of my rights to control and use the product I purchase as I see fit. Once the patch is out and once I'm assured that I have control over my installation/activation tokens, I can see myself picking up games like Spore down the road.

While I'm not suggesting that we do not continue to be vigilant - far be it from me - and there is in fact room yet for improvement; let's not marginalize the victory that we've (collectively) achieved here by not acknowledging and responding to the positive steps that have been taken. If we expect EA to see reason on issues like these down the road and compromise for our sakes, we should be ready in turn to reciprocate in good faith.

IPBry · 20-09-2008, 02:06 AM

EA is listening & you do make good points however be mindful of the fact that pirates steel hundreds of man hours work, so if a company spending millions seems over protective of that investment & gets it wrong! "Don't jump down their throat." Understanding & dialog makes the situation better...

PIRATES STEEL there is no other way of looking at it. YES we the consumer do not want over the top DRM! However you seem to think companies like EA will continue to invest in high risk ventures whilst we as a community do nothing to condemn the pirates & say it's all EA's fault!

& here we go "I've not read the thread & i'm a troll (yawn)" I understand the arguments & agree with some of them however let's not be adolescent about it and except some of the blame!

STOP DRM, STOP PIRATES!

No to PIRATES, they are killing the industry & STEELING good work , making fools of us all....

TailsClock · 20-09-2008, 02:45 AM

DRM makes people pirate things more. Not only does it make it sound like a better
idea but can actually FORCE someone to do it to play their payed for game. I got this game as a birthday present over at my dad's house and installed it there and it was great! Then I came back to my mum's house and installed it there too. In 1 day 2/3 (5 now right?) of my activations are gone. Only today did I even find any of this out! I never even heard of that spyware they give you either. So now I'm left with 1 activation left and it’s likely the one at my dad's house got uninstalled already and thus wasted. I just hope that installing my new graphics card doesn't use up my last one. I'm actually damn shocked to get to the last page of this and not see people saying "They finally saw sense and got rid of the DRM". Increasing it to 5 is just pathetic! I will make sure to check sites a lot for DRM info on any other game EA makes from now on. If it has ANY DRM I will just not buy it. When EA does stuff like this it makes me want the pirates to win and make this game a total flop for them. Make them see how stupid they are being.

(Since I cannot possibly read every post in this thread in less than a week, I likely said wrong things. Forgive me.)

Braidedheadman · 20-09-2008, 06:42 AM

@IPBry:

Please. Shut up about what the pirates may or may not be doing. We already know about it and, what's more, I for one don't care. It's not my problem at the end of the day. The pirates were never EA's customers to begin with and I will not accept any blame for something that I have not done - and you can **** off on that point. The only things that I care about is that the products I purchase work properly without inconveniencing me in any way and, especially, work without eroding my rights to use said products as I see fit in my own home.

Moreover, you've come to the wrong thread if you want to preach to us about how EA somehow deserves our support - which they patently do not. In fact, it's the other way around. All too often the "understanding" that you talk about involves gamers rolling over and taking it up the rear. Look at what happened to BF2 if you need any proof of that whatsoever. Customers have been ignored over there for nearly two years now and the game is still a mess.

Don't tell me that EA are going to do anything to help out the Spore community out of the goodness of their hearts because I know differently for a fact - they're a corporation, not a charitable organization. The only reason they are taking any action on these issues now is because the portion of the community that is NOT willing to bend over and take it got together and stood up for themselves and "jumped down EA's throat" instead. And if that makes people like you angry or upset, well too fricken bad! Go start another thread if you want to cry about it, but don't do it here.

In any case, you're all going to get your de-authentication patch and multiple user accounts / screen names whether you like it or not.

Charca · 20-09-2008, 07:39 AM

Using the pirate thing is just a smoke screen,If the pirates got the game 2 Days before we did ,then someone at EA gave it to them,think about it!

This is about your rights when you buy!

I have games from years ago that i like to play now and again,this system means i will not be playing games like this in the future...

best regard charca..

digitaldoodaaday · 20-09-2008, 10:18 PM

this is a grand example of "corporate control" its happening everywhere if you hadn't noticed. Look around you and you will see it. food processing, oil production, music so why not games?

Strangely enough it will be the pirates who will probably be the ones who can pull us out of this dreadful mess.

Watchout for the next phase of "Corporate Control" it will start to get critical when we start hearing the words "Corporate Terrorists" instead of "Pirates"

Legendary2 · 21-09-2008, 04:46 PM

EA If you make another game With securom I SWEAR TO RETURN EVERY EA GAME IVE EVER BOUGHT AND NEVER BUY ONE AGAIN until its fixed who is with me?
Do you see any other countries now using securom? AFTER THE little incident with bioshock

flatfroggerx · 22-09-2008, 05:12 PM

Proof Sony is home of moronic DRM:
Psn: PlayStation 3 Movies Can Only Be Redownloaded Once

Need there be any more proof DRM is wrong?

fiajfa · 23-09-2008, 10:29 PM

anti securom!

sign under it

fiajfa · 23-09-2008, 10:40 PM

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PLEASE DO NOT DELETE THE FILE BECAUSE YOU MIGHT LOOSE ESSENTIAL DIGITAL RIGHTS. (Not qouted= What right? I didn't even now is was installed on my computer! Is not rigital right to install programs some the user don't know about EA! ) <--
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The information contained in securom_v7_01.dat will not be transferred to any other computer without your permission.

This security system is connected with a MS Windows Service called "SecuROM User Access Service".
This module is started automatically when launching a protected application if the user is logged in with Windows administrator rights.
In case users do not have administrator rights we recommend to keep it running.

See SecuROM for further information

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THIS STAY IN THE README OF THE SECUROM. SO THATS MEAN EA CAN'T AND DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHECK IF IT REAL OR NOT. EA DO SOMETHING WRONG AND IS AGAIN THE LAW!. SO NOW EA TALK ABOUT IT WHAT WILL THERE DO NOW?

Why even make it stealthed? So we should not detect it?! BULL**** CLEAN THIS NOW EA

flatfroggerx · 24-09-2008, 05:12 AM

MAXCONSOLE - MaxConsole - Global class action law suit launched against EA over Spore DRM

Lol, didnt take it too long

Pandaman1231 · 24-09-2008, 07:40 AM

I would say that this new DRM would increase piracy as now people who bought the game are in a worse position than people who pirated.

Apart from the online element, they can test the game and install it as many times as they wanted. Kind of sad but this is going to have the opposite effect of reducing piracy.

Lethn · 24-09-2008, 02:09 PM

I'd just like to make an announcement to the folks who are still as sincerely ****ed off about this copyright protection as I am, those of you in the UK I encourage to call up your local trade standards branch and complain, while they were completely stumped they said that if you could find evidence of EA misleading and misrepresenting their software ( for instance the fact that they install SecuROM on your PC without your knowledge or consent ) then bring it to the table.

Digital information is included in this so stuff that has been posted on the site, advertisements and I do believe even what's on the back of the box should be enough to get the authority to investigate, I highly encourage anyone who hasn't done so now to phone up or email their local branch and complain, but it may well be better to call them up and explain it to them in simpler terms because consumer direct just doesn't have the knowledge regarding it internet piracy and copyright protection.

Watashiii · 24-09-2008, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandaman1231

I would say that this new DRM would increase piracy as now people who bought the game are in a worse position than people who pirated.

Apart from the online element, they can test the game and install it as many times as they wanted. Kind of sad but this is going to have the opposite effect of reducing piracy.

Especially since A LOT of errors in the tech forum are directly connected with DRM

MetroPolice · 24-09-2008, 02:43 PM

Mm.... i remember that this thread wos quite deserted when Spore came out... than thread of disappointment born and this thread started working again.

fiajfa · 24-09-2008, 03:26 PM

Somebody checked the site or?

Shaaman · 27-09-2008, 11:31 PM

Do you think so?

1. They didn't tell us it was irremovable, so it's illegal
2. It really messes up your PC. Big time.
3. Doesn't do anything to the pirates whatsoever!
4. Ruins our game. the best game ever.
5. We are entitled to playing spore on however many machines we want. It's our game, we payed good money for it!

MetroPolice · 27-09-2008, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaaman

Do you think so?

1. They didn't tell us it was irremovable, so it's illegal
2. It really messes up your PC. Big time.
3. Doesn't do anything to the pirates whatsoever!
4. Ruins our game. the best game ever.
5. We are entitled to playing spore on however many machines we want. It's our game, we payed good money for it!

I think youre the only one here who had problems with it... any visual proofs of it's damage wich you can show anytime soon?

Fenrir · 27-09-2008, 11:40 PM

it does NOT mess up your pc. do you know how many games actually have securom on ? yet the main reason its coming out so much with spore is due to the 3 activations. if that wasnt there....youd probably get the same level of complaints about it as the other games.

19-09-2008, 11:00 PM	#1506 (permalink)
flatfroggerx Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,931	Spore: EA Respond To DRM Complaints hahahahaha, I was right. Its a simple issue that they cant enforce 3 for some and 5 for others. They are bringing it in line with red alert 3 (which has 5). 2 More is not going to help, its still a sack of lalalala. Crysis warhead uses the same protection uses 5 activations. The game was cracked within 10 mins of launch.... Go figure, EA can take the piracy defence and shove it, when they do stuff like this I have no sympathy regardless how good a game is. It totally negates it. __________________ *No longer buying any EA PC game which includes Limited Activations, I do NOT* endorse Limited Activations Opt for Securom Activation FREE versions of EA games through fairer services like steam**

20-09-2008, 01:28 AM	#1507 (permalink)
Braidedheadman Forum Guru Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,112	Still, the changes that they are proposing do make the DRM system a more consumer-friendly process. I understand the need to protect their assets; I support measures that are non-intrusive and that actually work insofar as they do not rob me of my rights to control and use the product I purchase as I see fit. Once the patch is out and once I'm assured that I have control over my installation/activation tokens, I can see myself picking up games like Spore down the road. While I'm not suggesting that we do not continue to be vigilant - far be it from me - and there is in fact room yet for improvement; let's not marginalize the victory that we've (collectively) achieved here by not acknowledging and responding to the positive steps that have been taken. If we expect EA to see reason on issues like these down the road and compromise for our sakes, we should be ready in turn to reciprocate in good faith. __________________

20-09-2008, 02:06 AM	#1508 (permalink)
IPBry Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3	EA is listening & you do make good points however be mindful of the fact that pirates steel hundreds of man hours work, so if a company spending millions seems over protective of that investment & gets it wrong! "Don't jump down their throat." Understanding & dialog makes the situation better... PIRATES STEEL there is no other way of looking at it. YES we the consumer do not want over the top DRM! However you seem to think companies like EA will continue to invest in high risk ventures whilst we as a community do nothing to condemn the pirates & say it's all EA's fault! & here we go "I've not read the thread & i'm a troll (yawn)" I understand the arguments & agree with some of them however let's not be adolescent about it and except some of the blame! STOP DRM, STOP PIRATES! No to PIRATES, they are killing the industry & STEELING good work , making fools of us all.... Last edited by IPBry; 20-09-2008 at 02:32 AM..

20-09-2008, 06:42 AM	#1510 (permalink)
Braidedheadman Forum Guru Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,112	@IPBry: Please. Shut up about what the pirates may or may not be doing. We already know about it and, what's more, I for one don't care. It's not my problem at the end of the day. The pirates were never EA's customers to begin with and I will not accept any blame for something that I have not done - and you can **** off on that point. The only things that I care about is that the products I purchase work properly without inconveniencing me in any way and, especially, work without eroding my rights to use said products as I see fit in my own home. Moreover, you've come to the wrong thread if you want to preach to us about how EA somehow deserves our support - which they patently do not. In fact, it's the other way around. All too often the "understanding" that you talk about involves gamers rolling over and taking it up the rear. Look at what happened to BF2 if you need any proof of that whatsoever. Customers have been ignored over there for nearly two years now and the game is still a mess. Don't tell me that EA are going to do anything to help out the Spore community out of the goodness of their hearts because I know differently for a fact - they're a corporation, not a charitable organization. The only reason they are taking any action on these issues now is because the portion of the community that is NOT willing to bend over and take it got together and stood up for themselves and "jumped down EA's throat" instead. And if that makes people like you angry or upset, well too fricken bad! Go start another thread if you want to cry about it, but don't do it here. In any case, you're all going to get your de-authentication patch and multiple user accounts / screen names whether you like it or not. __________________

21-09-2008, 04:46 PM	#1513 (permalink)
Legendary2 Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Gender: Male Posts: 822	EA If you make another game With securom I SWEAR TO RETURN EVERY EA GAME IVE EVER BOUGHT AND NEVER BUY ONE AGAIN until its fixed who is with me? Do you see any other countries now using securom? AFTER THE little incident with bioshock __________________ Thank you for the sig nutter!!

20-09-2008, 02:45 AM	#1509 (permalink)
TailsClock Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: England Age: 19 Posts: 4	DRM makes people pirate things more. Not only does it make it sound like a better idea but can actually FORCE someone to do it to play their payed for game. I got this game as a birthday present over at my dad's house and installed it there and it was great! Then I came back to my mum's house and installed it there too. In 1 day 2/3 (5 now right?) of my activations are gone. Only today did I even find any of this out! I never even heard of that spyware they give you either. So now I'm left with 1 activation left and it’s likely the one at my dad's house got uninstalled already and thus wasted. I just hope that installing my new graphics card doesn't use up my last one. I'm actually damn shocked to get to the last page of this and not see people saying "They finally saw sense and got rid of the DRM". Increasing it to 5 is just pathetic! I will make sure to check sites a lot for DRM info on any other game EA makes from now on. If it has ANY DRM I will just not buy it. When EA does stuff like this it makes me want the pirates to win and make this game a total flop for them. Make them see how stupid they are being. (Since I cannot possibly read every post in this thread in less than a week, I likely said wrong things. Forgive me.)

20-09-2008, 07:39 AM	#1511 (permalink)
Charca Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 29	Using the pirate thing is just a smoke screen,If the pirates got the game 2 Days before we did ,then someone at EA gave it to them,think about it! This is about your rights when you buy! I have games from years ago that i like to play now and again,this system means i will not be playing games like this in the future... best regard charca..

20-09-2008, 10:18 PM	#1512 (permalink)
digitaldoodaaday Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7	this is a grand example of "corporate control" its happening everywhere if you hadn't noticed. Look around you and you will see it. food processing, oil production, music so why not games? Strangely enough it will be the pirates who will probably be the ones who can pull us out of this dreadful mess. Watchout for the next phase of "Corporate Control" it will start to get critical when we start hearing the words "Corporate Terrorists" instead of "Pirates"

22-09-2008, 05:12 PM	#1514 (permalink)
flatfroggerx Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,931	Proof Sony is home of moronic DRM: Psn: PlayStation 3 Movies Can Only Be Redownloaded Once Need there be any more proof DRM is wrong? __________________ *No longer buying any EA PC game which includes Limited Activations, I do NOT* endorse Limited Activations Opt for Securom Activation FREE versions of EA games through fairer services like steam**

23-09-2008, 10:29 PM	#1515 (permalink)
fiajfa Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3	anti securom! sign under it

24-09-2008, 05:12 AM	#1517 (permalink)
flatfroggerx Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,931	MAXCONSOLE - MaxConsole - Global class action law suit launched against EA over Spore DRM Lol, didnt take it too long __________________ *No longer buying any EA PC game which includes Limited Activations, I do NOT* endorse Limited Activations Opt for Securom Activation FREE versions of EA games through fairer services like steam**

24-09-2008, 07:40 AM	#1518 (permalink)
Pandaman1231 Hi, I'm New! Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1	I would say that this new DRM would increase piracy as now people who bought the game are in a worse position than people who pirated. Apart from the online element, they can test the game and install it as many times as they wanted. Kind of sad but this is going to have the opposite effect of reducing piracy.

24-09-2008, 02:09 PM	#1519 (permalink)
Lethn Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 73	I'd just like to make an announcement to the folks who are still as sincerely **ed off about this copyright protection as I am, those of you in the UK I encourage to call up your local trade standards branch and complain, while they were completely stumped they said that if you could find evidence of EA misleading and misrepresenting their software ( for instance the fact that they install SecuROM on your PC without your knowledge or consent ) then bring it to the table. Digital information is included in this so stuff that has been posted on the site, advertisements and I do believe even what's on the back of the box should be enough to get the authority to investigate, I highly encourage anyone who hasn't done so now to phone up or email their local branch and complain, but it may well be better to call them up and explain it to them in simpler terms because consumer direct just doesn't have the knowledge regarding it internet piracy and copyright protection. __________________ No longer buying any EA PC game which includes 3 Activations, I do NOT endorse the Three Activations/SecuROM**

24-09-2008, 02:43 PM	#1521 (permalink)
MetroPolice Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: IN HELL Age: 19 Posts: 903	Mm.... i remember that this thread wos quite deserted when Spore came out... than thread of disappointment born and this thread started working again.

24-09-2008, 03:26 PM	#1522 (permalink)
fiajfa Rookie Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3	Somebody checked the site or?

27-09-2008, 11:31 PM	#1523 (permalink)
Shaaman Hi, I'm New! Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1	SecurROM is a real piece of trash! Do you think so? 1. They didn't tell us it was irremovable, so it's illegal 2. It really messes up your PC. Big time. 3. Doesn't do anything to the pirates whatsoever! 4. Ruins our game. the best game ever. 5. We are entitled to playing spore on however many machines we want. It's our game, we payed good money for it!

27-09-2008, 11:40 PM	#1525 (permalink)
Fenrir Forum Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: solihull, england Age: 15 Gender: Male Posts: 1,635	it does NOT mess up your pc. do you know how many games actually have securom on ? yet the main reason its coming out so much with spore is due to the 3 activations. if that wasnt there....youd probably get the same level of complaints about it as the other games. __________________ Thanks Doc ! Call me Dan if you like.