Concerned about SecuROM?

t2suggas · 09-05-2008, 05:01 PM

There is a new forum established to discuss concerns everyone has about SecuROM.

As this copy protection software is very likely to be included with TheSims3 I thought it appropriate to post this here.

The securom site has moved it is now here.

SecuROM discussion group.

Please take the time to read through the topics before deciding to join or not.

I've added a poll to find out if people are serious about not buying The Sims 3 because of the SecuROM copy protection.

A wrong vote had been cast for 'Yes' when the voter really meant to vote 'No'.
Here's the post.

Make that two wrong votes for 'Yes'. Here's the post.

Tia1234 · 09-05-2008, 07:45 PM

The forum is rather biased to the opposition but hey, it isn't going to attract my attention if I have to have an internet connection and activate every ten days...

EA Developers, don't use the SecuROM technology in the Sims 3 because you'll lose sales. I think a half of all legit Sims 2 copies get installed either in a household with no internet connection or a computer without one, and both of those scenarios have good reasons: to protect from viruses and net-annoyances, or perhaps they can't afford to connect to the net.

Rhalius · 09-05-2008, 09:48 PM

I think it contributed to many problems in neverwinter nights2.

Gothic by Night · 09-05-2008, 09:49 PM

Wow, that looks bad. If they go ahead with this I will not be buying the game because I move around a lot (I have to take placements and they can be pretty much anywhere in England, Scotland or Wales) and not everywhere I go has internet. Also, part of the reason I like to play games like the Sims is they keep me amused when internet is lacking. I am also concerned about the number of times this security software would allow you to reinstall the game. I have had to do quite a lot of complete reinstalls of the Sims 2 due to bugs in the game and I don't even use custom content. I expect others have had worse trouble than I have.

I will wait and see but hearing that EA may use this software has certainly made me a lot more cautious about getting excited about the Sims 3.

EDITED to add: Does anyone know - Is it true that you will have to call up EA and reactivate the game if it lapses more than 10 days without registering? If so I definitely won't be buying.

Also, I am not a criminal; I don't even download music. I resent being treated like one.

Rhalius · 09-05-2008, 09:55 PM

I think nwn2 ditched it later on through patches, the problems where with multiplayer though I believe. Still, I think more of EA than of Atari. Not too much but still somewhat more.

Gothic by Night · 09-05-2008, 10:26 PM

Well, I've done some reading around this subject and it looks like I won't be getting TS3 after all. What a let down. I want to buy it but it is just not feasible to load it on an internet enabled PC (with firewall down and antivirus disabled, probably) at least every 10 days. By the end of next year I will have moved 17 times in 5 years and that's not including holidays and traveling. It takes time to get internet set up and some places I've lived don't even have phone lines. Plus there's the re-install issue and the problem of what happens if the server goes down. If I pay fairly to play the game I don't see why I should get penalised because my game got buggy and I had to reinstall too many times, or because I can't connect to the internet all the time.

I won't be one this forum much anymore because I don't want to get excited about something I can't have. I will probably check out the game after it has been released to see if EA has reversed this terrible idea, but I'm not holding my breath.

EDIT: Also, I don't think EA has considered the fact that many university students are behind a campus firewall which they can't disable. So basically they are SOL.

Rhalius · 09-05-2008, 10:48 PM

If they truly go through with this, they are even more foolish than Atari, and thats saying something.

Emms4 · 10-05-2008, 04:26 AM

What a let down. After reading through all that TS3 has me worried. I move around a lot too and don't always have access to the internet. The reinstallation issue is making me nervous too. I'll probably wait 3 - 6 months after the release date to buy it and see how it affects others. I'm not a techie, so if anything does go wrong on my laptop I wouldn't know how to fix it.

I'll be keeping an eye on this.

Tia1234 · 10-05-2008, 02:45 PM

No to the ten day rule, because I realized that even the online players will be irritated. I must warn EA, that they will lose two thirds of all potential sales of the Sims 3 with SecureROM.

Kwaad · 10-05-2008, 04:28 PM

Well, if EA do this they're screwed. Two thirds is a bit optimistic. I'd say they'd be lucky to get a few sales. Then those few sales will be returned.

I sincerely hope they don't go through with this - and if they have common sense they won't.

Gothic by Night · 10-05-2008, 04:35 PM

I think if they go ahead with this, they will lose a lot of sales, but still sell a lot of games to people who are uninformed, or who are obsessed enough to get the game despite the problems. Some will run into big problems getting the game to run without busting their computer (Bon Voyage anyone?) and either return the game or leave it on a shelf to gather dust.

For those who actually get the game, and get it to run, SecuROM will hack them off so completely that most of them will eventually give up and stop playing. THEN EA will feel the financial losses as any expansion packs only sell a tiny fraction of the amount they would otherwise, because such a large proportion of those who bought the base game will have given up in disgust.

Rhalius · 10-05-2008, 07:18 PM

most wont know about securom, they have most of the casual gamers after all, most of them buy games blindly and never look into a games magazine or on the internet.

Kelborn · 10-05-2008, 09:29 PM

THe target market of the sims games isn't likely to pirate the games anyway.

Tidus · 10-05-2008, 11:14 PM

Dw they were going to do it on spore but since everyone was strongly against it EA cancelled it but now there is only a small chance that they are going to do it on Sims 3 now so i would not worry.

Rhalius · 10-05-2008, 11:49 PM

Well if EA wants to lose their position they should put securom on all their games.

They should just keep busy with publishing and let the developers like Maxis worry about the games.

Matt@Sim_Moves · 11-05-2008, 08:13 AM

I'd rather have SecuROM than the '10 day activation' system, any day.

Rhalius · 11-05-2008, 09:34 AM

I prefer neither, not everyone has internet and I hate to register games, its not needed.

I only registered all bioware games to have a nice long list of games next to my name on the forums to show my appreciation to Bioware.

SilverLining · 11-05-2008, 09:42 AM

I don't really know much about either, but I do hope they realize making it too complicated and too net-dependant to play is gonna scare people off.

suzyq1212 · 25-05-2008, 06:41 PM

i think securom is stupid and really unnecesary
because who wants to have to type in a validation code every few days
and if u don't it gets uninstalled or seomthing?
thats stupid and it'd cause loads of hassle

NiaCrenshaw · 26-05-2008, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gothic by Night

I think if they go ahead with this, they will lose a lot of sales, but still sell a lot of games to people who are uninformed, or who are obsessed enough to get the game despite the problems. Some will run into big problems getting the game to run without busting their computer (Bon Voyage anyone?) and either return the game or leave it on a shelf to gather dust.

For those who actually get the game, and get it to run, SecuROM will hack them off so completely that most of them will eventually give up and stop playing. THEN EA will feel the financial losses as any expansion packs only sell a tiny fraction of the amount they would otherwise, because such a large proportion of those who bought the base game will have given up in disgust.

YEAH, it could be happening that way. makes sense.

NiaCrenshaw · 26-05-2008, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gothic by Night

I won't be one this forum much anymore because I don't want to get excited about something I can't have.

EDIT: Also, I don't think EA has considered the fact that many university students are behind a campus firewall which they can't disable. So basically they are SOL.

And I don't want to install and reinstall many times a game.
PLEASE DON"T ANNOY SIMS PLAYERS, EA.

Emms4 · 27-05-2008, 07:18 AM

I've been linkhopping and just read an article that implied all future Sims games will have the securom feature that will need to be validated every 10 days. Does anyone know if this is true? I really hope its not!

Rhalius · 27-05-2008, 09:00 AM

I sometimes have problems with internet and have to go without it for days then.

If EA wants to kill the sims franchise they definatly should put securom in. why would they worry this much about protection though? the sims makes them millions, its protected well enough.

Rhalius · 27-05-2008, 09:01 AM

If people copy some expansions and stuff packs I must say they brought that on themselves for charging money for every little thing.

t2suggas · 27-05-2008, 02:01 PM

Bumping as I've added a poll to the thread.

View Poll Results: Will you buy The Sims 3 with SecuROM as protection.
Yes.	73	22.19%
No.	146	44.38%
Not sure.	27	8.21%
Maybe.	11	3.34%
I need to find out more.	69	20.97%
Other - please add a comment.	3	0.91%
Voters: 329. You may not vote on this poll

09-05-2008, 05:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
t2suggas Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 64	Concerned about SecuROM? Please read the poll question before voting. There is a new forum established to discuss concerns everyone has about SecuROM. As this copy protection software is very likely to be included with TheSims3 I thought it appropriate to post this here. The securom site has moved it is now here. SecuROM discussion group. Please take the time to read through the topics before deciding to join or not. I've added a poll to find out if people are serious about not buying The Sims 3 because of the SecuROM copy protection. A wrong vote had been cast for 'Yes' when the voter really meant to vote 'No'. Here's the post. Make that two wrong votes for 'Yes'. Here's the post. __________________ Last edited by t2suggas; 25-07-2008 at 11:30 AM.. Reason: Added poll.

09-05-2008, 07:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tia1234 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London Age: 20 Posts: 71	The forum is rather biased to the opposition but hey, it isn't going to attract my attention if I have to have an internet connection and activate every ten days... EA Developers, don't use the SecuROM technology in the Sims 3 because you'll lose sales. I think a half of all legit Sims 2 copies get installed either in a household with no internet connection or a computer without one, and both of those scenarios have good reasons: to protect from viruses and net-annoyances, or perhaps they can't afford to connect to the net. __________________ You know it's worthy of consideration when I say EA Developers! See Tia1234 as Arrid* at the Sims Resource*

09-05-2008, 09:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
Gothic by Night Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 102	Wow, that looks bad. If they go ahead with this I will not be buying the game because I move around a lot (I have to take placements and they can be pretty much anywhere in England, Scotland or Wales) and not everywhere I go has internet. Also, part of the reason I like to play games like the Sims is they keep me amused when internet is lacking. I am also concerned about the number of times this security software would allow you to reinstall the game. I have had to do quite a lot of complete reinstalls of the Sims 2 due to bugs in the game and I don't even use custom content. I expect others have had worse trouble than I have. I will wait and see but hearing that EA may use this software has certainly made me a lot more cautious about getting excited about the Sims 3. EDITED to add: Does anyone know - Is it true that you will have to call up EA and reactivate the game if it lapses more than 10 days without registering? If so I definitely won't be buying. Also, I am not a criminal; I don't even download music. I resent being treated like one. Last edited by Gothic by Night; 09-05-2008 at 09:58 PM..

09-05-2008, 10:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
Gothic by Night Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 102	Well, I've done some reading around this subject and it looks like I won't be getting TS3 after all. What a let down. I want to buy it but it is just not feasible to load it on an internet enabled PC (with firewall down and antivirus disabled, probably) at least every 10 days. By the end of next year I will have moved 17 times in 5 years and that's not including holidays and traveling. It takes time to get internet set up and some places I've lived don't even have phone lines. Plus there's the re-install issue and the problem of what happens if the server goes down. If I pay fairly to play the game I don't see why I should get penalised because my game got buggy and I had to reinstall too many times, or because I can't connect to the internet all the time. I won't be one this forum much anymore because I don't want to get excited about something I can't have. I will probably check out the game after it has been released to see if EA has reversed this terrible idea, but I'm not holding my breath. EDIT: Also, I don't think EA has considered the fact that many university students are behind a campus firewall which they can't disable. So basically they are SOL. Last edited by Gothic by Night; 09-05-2008 at 10:41 PM..

09-05-2008, 09:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rhalius Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 24 Posts: 770	I think it contributed to many problems in neverwinter nights2.

09-05-2008, 09:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rhalius Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 24 Posts: 770	I think nwn2 ditched it later on through patches, the problems where with multiplayer though I believe. Still, I think more of EA than of Atari. Not too much but still somewhat more.

09-05-2008, 10:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
Rhalius Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 24 Posts: 770	If they truly go through with this, they are even more foolish than Atari, and thats saying something.

10-05-2008, 04:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
Emms4 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Australia Age: 27 Posts: 167	What a let down. After reading through all that TS3 has me worried. I move around a lot too and don't always have access to the internet. The reinstallation issue is making me nervous too. I'll probably wait 3 - 6 months after the release date to buy it and see how it affects others. I'm not a techie, so if anything does go wrong on my laptop I wouldn't know how to fix it. I'll be keeping an eye on this.

10-05-2008, 02:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tia1234 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London Age: 20 Posts: 71	No to the ten day rule, because I realized that even the online players will be irritated. I must warn EA, that they will lose two thirds of all potential sales of the Sims 3 with SecureROM. __________________ You know it's worthy of consideration when I say EA Developers! See Tia1234 as Arrid* at the Sims Resource*

10-05-2008, 04:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kwaad Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 18 Posts: 149	Well, if EA do this they're screwed. Two thirds is a bit optimistic. I'd say they'd be lucky to get a few sales. Then those few sales will be returned. I sincerely hope they don't go through with this - and if they have common sense they won't.

10-05-2008, 04:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
Gothic by Night Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 102	I think if they go ahead with this, they will lose a lot of sales, but still sell a lot of games to people who are uninformed, or who are obsessed enough to get the game despite the problems. Some will run into big problems getting the game to run without busting their computer (Bon Voyage anyone?) and either return the game or leave it on a shelf to gather dust. For those who actually get the game, and get it to run, SecuROM will hack them off so completely that most of them will eventually give up and stop playing. THEN EA will feel the financial losses as any expansion packs only sell a tiny fraction of the amount they would otherwise, because such a large proportion of those who bought the base game will have given up in disgust.

10-05-2008, 07:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
Rhalius Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 24 Posts: 770	most wont know about securom, they have most of the casual gamers after all, most of them buy games blindly and never look into a games magazine or on the internet.

10-05-2008, 09:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kelborn Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Spain! Age: 23 Posts: 531 Blog Entries: 5	THe target market of the sims games isn't likely to pirate the games anyway.

10-05-2008, 11:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
Tidus Forum Guru Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: A Mental Asylum Age: 14 Gender: Male Posts: 2,265	Dw they were going to do it on spore but since everyone was strongly against it EA cancelled it but now there is only a small chance that they are going to do it on Sims 3 now so i would not worry. __________________ http://southdale.myminicity.com/com

10-05-2008, 11:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
Rhalius Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 24 Posts: 770	Well if EA wants to lose their position they should put securom on all their games. They should just keep busy with publishing and let the developers like Maxis worry about the games.

11-05-2008, 08:13 AM	#16 (permalink)
Matt@Sim_Moves Forum Junkie Join Date: Sep 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 3,191	I'd rather have SecuROM than the '10 day activation' system, any day. __________________ PSN: mattyhew2100

11-05-2008, 09:34 AM	#17 (permalink)
Rhalius Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 24 Posts: 770	I prefer neither, not everyone has internet and I hate to register games, its not needed. I only registered all bioware games to have a nice long list of games next to my name on the forums to show my appreciation to Bioware.

11-05-2008, 09:42 AM	#18 (permalink)
SilverLining Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 42	I don't really know much about either, but I do hope they realize making it too complicated and too net-dependant to play is gonna scare people off.

25-05-2008, 06:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
suzyq1212 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	i think securom is stupid and really unnecesary because who wants to have to type in a validation code every few days and if u don't it gets uninstalled or seomthing? thats stupid and it'd cause loads of hassle

27-05-2008, 07:18 AM	#22 (permalink)
Emms4 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Australia Age: 27 Posts: 167	I've been linkhopping and just read an article that implied all future Sims games will have the securom feature that will need to be validated every 10 days. Does anyone know if this is true? I really hope its not!

27-05-2008, 09:00 AM	#23 (permalink)
Rhalius Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 24 Posts: 770	I sometimes have problems with internet and have to go without it for days then. If EA wants to kill the sims franchise they definatly should put securom in. why would they worry this much about protection though? the sims makes them millions, its protected well enough.

27-05-2008, 09:01 AM	#24 (permalink)
Rhalius Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 24 Posts: 770	If people copy some expansions and stuff packs I must say they brought that on themselves for charging money for every little thing.

27-05-2008, 02:01 PM	#25 (permalink)
t2suggas Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 64	Bumping as I've added a poll to the thread. __________________