Concerned about SecuROM? - Page 6

Naenia · 25-07-2008, 08:32 PM

i cant remember what i said...i either said no or not sure....damn it i forgot...

MrAndii · 06-08-2008, 02:13 AM

This SECRUOM is RUBBISH... i just read about it SOME MORE... it seems like every new version coming out is becoming MORE and MORE troublesome!!! when will EA realize that this is NOT the way to go!

Anniemaniac · 06-08-2008, 03:45 AM

Question: Does SecuROM come with downloaded games? I recently bought and downloaded a few Sims 2 EPs/SPs from the EA website, those being FreeTime, Bon Voyage, and Family Fun stuff.

I noticed that I couldn't play The Sims when I wasn't connected to the net, is this because SecuROM came with the games?

MrAndii · 06-08-2008, 03:49 AM

i thought u just had to be on the net every time u installed it.. or 10 days or wateva... im not sure.. im really confused and i hate this whole thing!!!

simmy135 · 06-08-2008, 10:06 AM

Is secrom like a really dogdy thing because ive never come up against it so like i dunno i probably will still get it though

The Doctor76 · 07-08-2008, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gothic by Night

Wow, that looks bad. If they go ahead with this I will not be buying the game because I move around a lot (I have to take placements and they can be pretty much anywhere in England, Scotland or Wales) and not everywhere I go has internet. Also, part of the reason I like to play games like the Sims is they keep me amused when internet is lacking. I am also concerned about the number of times this security software would allow you to reinstall the game. I have had to do quite a lot of complete reinstalls of the Sims 2 due to bugs in the game and I don't even use custom content. I expect others have had worse trouble than I have.

I will wait and see but hearing that EA may use this software has certainly made me a lot more cautious about getting excited about the Sims 3.

EDITED to add: Does anyone know - Is it true that you will have to call up EA and reactivate the game if it lapses more than 10 days without registering? If so I definitely won't be buying.

Also, I am not a criminal; I don't even download music. I resent being treated like one.

Securom and it's cousins are a damn disgrace. Devs, it isn't the pirates who suffer! They just find a way to crack the game. It's the GENUINE PAYING BLOODY CUSTOMERS who have to put up with these stupid systems!

MrAndii · 07-08-2008, 09:23 AM

I second that.. secuROM is punishing the customers...

Sblade · 13-08-2008, 01:51 PM

Securom is an unacceptable copy protection technology. They use blacklisters and other unfair methods to do his work. The worst of it is that Securom is broken quickly.

If you want to be more concerned about Securom check my Secusphere.

Secusphere - Index

I maybe put a Mass Effect Securom Technical FAQ soon in these boards.

Naenia · 14-08-2008, 01:30 AM

heheh secusphere....sounds like a science fiction...

flatfroggerx · 14-08-2008, 05:07 AM

I come from the spore boards and just want to show support AGAINST securom and that its 3 activations should be stopped.

We have a nice securom topic going if you fancy taking a read we've got a few things confirmed by EA and weve debunked a lot of stuff:
Spore Copy Protection Q&A

ABCRic · 14-08-2008, 01:41 PM

You're right Sblade. if EA keeps using SecuRom and "making it better", it will become maybe even worst than StarForce.

Tia1234 · 14-08-2008, 05:00 PM

And unless SecuROM is replaced by SafeDisc, which is a bit better, it would have to be Auf Wiedersehen from me.

Sblade · 25-08-2008, 04:19 PM

Maybe, Bioware, one of the most powerful EA divisions, is accepting suggestions about DRM´s in games

BioWare Forums: DRM with EA Games

Have a look

Rhalius · 25-08-2008, 06:19 PM

Bioware is a lot better respected than EA, and that has its reasons. I do hope EA wont kill them like they killed Westwood en Bullfrog.

So Spore has SECUrom? I wont be buying that one then, I dont want it that much.

Sshodan · 26-08-2008, 08:41 PM

SecuROM usage is a "let's help the pirates" action from EA - the reason I always stick with legal content is not fear of lawsuits or something like that, but the fact that buying a legal copy of the game means that I'll have no problem installing and playing it (pirates sometimes mess up the game while cracking it, just look at some of the the Russian forums help treads and you'll see). But SecuROM courses more trouble than any pirate crack ever could, so now they acutaly offer a better deal than EA - a game minus SecuROM... Really smart move from EA part. Instead of gaining customers they'll loose more.
I already passed Mass Effect because of all the installation problems, reconsidered buying Spore - while it's a great project SecuROM is enough reason not to buy it. And if Sims 3 will use SecuROM I don't think I'll want to deal with it.
I'd rather go get a new edition of The Witcher - great game that I'll gladly buy several copies of because in addition to the great content it has a good noninvasive protection system.

Rhalius · 26-08-2008, 08:54 PM

I dont think Bioware ever intended to release Mass Effect on PC, it was only after EA bought them that it was announced.

Sshodan · 26-08-2008, 09:04 PM

May be the case - it's the worst case installation issue I ever so in a game, and I so a lot. My friend bought it (before I did, I was going to) and we spend more than a day on installing it, with no results, if he'll ever get it to work remains to be seen. SecuROM on top of that just finished it off completely.
Oh, and SecuROM is already broken forwards and backwards - it took 5 days for pirated version of BioShock to hit the net. And needles to say it had no install limitation and needed no e-net connection. So the users of the pirate versions was playing merrily while normal customers where busy calling tech support... Really smart commercial move. You can imagine how "loved" we all felt while doing so. After that I swore never to buy SecuROM game again.

yanduer · 27-08-2008, 02:09 AM

By disabling firewalls and antivirus software, SecuROM is malware, which I am certain is illegal :/ I'm also not keen on it dialling back to Sony with encrypted data, as there are definitely privacy issues with that (and Sony doesn't have a great record there).

As such, I'm not buying anything from EA until they get rid of SecuROM completely, and even then I'm not sure I'd trust them enough to go back to buying from them.

simmy3 · 27-08-2008, 02:22 AM

I want to know if it is true about 3 limitation of installation the game. You only need to install the game three times on the same computer or different computers, but after three times, the game won’t allow you to install it again. You would have to call to request for a permission to install it again. I hope it is not true. If SecuROM will not affect our computers/laptops badly, then it is fine with me for them to put it on the game to protect against the piracy.

Sshodan · 27-08-2008, 10:48 AM

3 installations is unfortunately true. SecuROM is not just protection software - no one is saying that EA should get right of protection altogether, but they should protect they games from piracy in a way that don't harm the users that ligaly buy them.

simmy135 · 27-08-2008, 11:34 AM

Why do they even do this?

simmy3 · 28-08-2008, 01:38 AM

Oh really? There are different stories about it. Some are saying that it was removed or unconfirmed. Some are saying that you can install it as many times as you can on the same computer, but for other computers, it is 3 limitation of installation. I am not sure which one. I would prefer waiting for EA to talk about this.

Lauren · 28-08-2008, 01:52 AM

The installation this is for different PCs

Not concerned, I've been a EA-buying since 1998 (Well, games from 1998 )

Never had a problem. I've had Sims 1 (all EP's) SimCity3, SimCity 4&Rush hour, Sims 2 (2 EP, 2 SP) and Urbz. Never had a problem withh any of them.

The internet limit is dropped, and people who say they're not buying a great game for that sole reason are a lalalalalaildish really. It's like throwing a fit when you don't get what you want.

*prepares to be flamed at*

Sshodan · 02-09-2008, 02:09 PM

No, it's not childish. What is childish is not understanding what risks you will be facing with SecuROM installed on your computer, and not caring for the bills your computer service will present you with after they'll have to clean up after SecuROM, or the telephone bills you'll have to pay for constant contacts with support, or the amount of stress you'll have to go thru.
3 installations is a "3 computers" limit, if you uninstall the game correctly you "1 installation" is returned to you and you can install the game again... The problem is that quite often the process just plain fails, and you don't get your installation back, although any changes to system confuguration makes SecuROM think that it's bean moved to the new PC, so you louse your install anyway. In shorts - after a couple of system crashes, or viruses catches or just PC updates you run out of installations and have to contact the support and prove that it was not your fault... Or go buy the game again. BioShock is protected by SecuROM so if you want to hear all about that go read their forums.
In addition if EA turns off the registration servers you won’t be able to play the game anymore at all. The say that the servers would run forever… But I don’t believe that. It’s a real worked and real business field, today EA is a bug player, but who knows what will happen to them tomorrow? I’ve been playing Might & Magic 6 on my old PC at my summer house for years after 3DO shut down, who knows, maybe 20 years from now I’ll get the urge to show sims 3 to my kids, since I bought the game I have all the rights to do that.

Rhalius · 02-09-2008, 04:25 PM

In the end it is just a game and you will want to enjoy it, programs like SECUrom are part of the reason why consoles gain more popularity in recent years.

EA couldnt care less about that though, as long as they can sell games on many platforms they are happy. Maybe they should just leave PC gaming completely and free Maxis, Bioware and other pc developers from their reign of terror.

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Yes.	73	22.19%
No.	146	44.38%
Not sure.	27	8.21%
Maybe.	11	3.34%
I need to find out more.	69	20.97%
Other - please add a comment.	3	0.91%
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25-07-2008, 08:32 PM	#126 (permalink)
Naenia Forum Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: currently derby city at uni Age: 21 Posts: 1,242	i cant remember what i said...i either said no or not sure....damn it i forgot... __________________ Amaranthus for Asmodeus

06-08-2008, 02:13 AM	#127 (permalink)
MrAndii Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Australia, Sydney Posts: 363	This SECRUOM is RUBBISH... i just read about it SOME MORE... it seems like every new version coming out is becoming MORE and MORE troublesome!!! when will EA realize that this is NOT the way to go! __________________ ~ Everyone has their own version of the truth ~ ---- Addicted to Sims and One Tree Hill ---

06-08-2008, 03:49 AM	#129 (permalink)
MrAndii Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Australia, Sydney Posts: 363	i thought u just had to be on the net every time u installed it.. or 10 days or wateva... im not sure.. im really confused and i hate this whole thing!!! __________________ ~ Everyone has their own version of the truth ~ ---- Addicted to Sims and One Tree Hill ---

07-08-2008, 09:23 AM	#132 (permalink)
MrAndii Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Australia, Sydney Posts: 363	I second that.. secuROM is punishing the customers... __________________ ~ Everyone has their own version of the truth ~ ---- Addicted to Sims and One Tree Hill ---

06-08-2008, 03:45 AM	#128 (permalink)
Anniemaniac Rookie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Liverpool, UK Age: 20 Posts: 116	Question: Does SecuROM come with downloaded games? I recently bought and downloaded a few Sims 2 EPs/SPs from the EA website, those being FreeTime, Bon Voyage, and Family Fun stuff. I noticed that I couldn't play The Sims when I wasn't connected to the net, is this because SecuROM came with the games?

06-08-2008, 10:06 AM	#130 (permalink)
simmy135 Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: England, London Age: 14 Posts: 1,226	Is secrom like a really dogdy thing because ive never come up against it so like i dunno i probably will still get it though

13-08-2008, 01:51 PM	#133 (permalink)
Sblade Rookie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8	Securom is becoming as intrusive as Starforce Securom is an unacceptable copy protection technology. They use blacklisters and other unfair methods to do his work. The worst of it is that Securom is broken quickly. If you want to be more concerned about Securom check my Secusphere. Secusphere - Index I maybe put a Mass Effect Securom Technical FAQ soon in these boards.

14-08-2008, 01:30 AM	#134 (permalink)
Naenia Forum Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: currently derby city at uni Age: 21 Posts: 1,242	heheh secusphere....sounds like a science fiction... __________________ Amaranthus for Asmodeus

14-08-2008, 05:07 AM	#135 (permalink)
flatfroggerx Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,933	I come from the spore boards and just want to show support AGAINST securom and that its 3 activations should be stopped. We have a nice securom topic going if you fancy taking a read we've got a few things confirmed by EA and weve debunked a lot of stuff: Spore Copy Protection Q&A

14-08-2008, 01:41 PM	#136 (permalink)
ABCRic Rookie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Portugal, it's all i'll tell you... Gender: Male Posts: 389 Blog Entries: 3	You're right Sblade. if EA keeps using SecuRom and "making it better", it will become maybe even worst than StarForce. __________________ My Sims Creations (ModTheSims) YouTube \| My Website Twitter \| MyMiniCity Call me ABC or Ric.

14-08-2008, 05:00 PM	#137 (permalink)
Tia1234 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London Age: 20 Posts: 71	And unless SecuROM is replaced by SafeDisc, which is a bit better, it would have to be Auf Wiedersehen from me. __________________ You know it's worthy of consideration when I say EA Developers! See Tia1234 as Arrid* at the Sims Resource*

25-08-2008, 04:19 PM	#138 (permalink)
Sblade Rookie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8	Maybe, Bioware, one of the most powerful EA divisions, is accepting suggestions about DRM´s in games BioWare Forums: DRM with EA Games Have a look

25-08-2008, 06:19 PM	#139 (permalink)
Rhalius Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 24 Posts: 770	Bioware is a lot better respected than EA, and that has its reasons. I do hope EA wont kill them like they killed Westwood en Bullfrog. So Spore has SECUrom? I wont be buying that one then, I dont want it that much. __________________ Hobbies: -ballroom and Latin dancing. -well crafted games, preferably from Bioware. -story writing.

26-08-2008, 08:41 PM	#140 (permalink)
Sshodan Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5	SecuROM usage is a "let's help the pirates" action from EA - the reason I always stick with legal content is not fear of lawsuits or something like that, but the fact that buying a legal copy of the game means that I'll have no problem installing and playing it (pirates sometimes mess up the game while cracking it, just look at some of the the Russian forums help treads and you'll see). But SecuROM courses more trouble than any pirate crack ever could, so now they acutaly offer a better deal than EA - a game minus SecuROM... Really smart move from EA part. Instead of gaining customers they'll loose more. I already passed Mass Effect because of all the installation problems, reconsidered buying Spore - while it's a great project SecuROM is enough reason not to buy it. And if Sims 3 will use SecuROM I don't think I'll want to deal with it. I'd rather go get a new edition of The Witcher - great game that I'll gladly buy several copies of because in addition to the great content it has a good noninvasive protection system.

26-08-2008, 08:54 PM	#141 (permalink)
Rhalius Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 24 Posts: 770	I dont think Bioware ever intended to release Mass Effect on PC, it was only after EA bought them that it was announced. __________________ Hobbies: -ballroom and Latin dancing. -well crafted games, preferably from Bioware. -story writing.

26-08-2008, 09:04 PM	#142 (permalink)
Sshodan Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5	May be the case - it's the worst case installation issue I ever so in a game, and I so a lot. My friend bought it (before I did, I was going to) and we spend more than a day on installing it, with no results, if he'll ever get it to work remains to be seen. SecuROM on top of that just finished it off completely. Oh, and SecuROM is already broken forwards and backwards - it took 5 days for pirated version of BioShock to hit the net. And needles to say it had no install limitation and needed no e-net connection. So the users of the pirate versions was playing merrily while normal customers where busy calling tech support... Really smart commercial move. You can imagine how "loved" we all felt while doing so. After that I swore never to buy SecuROM game again.

27-08-2008, 02:09 AM	#143 (permalink)
yanduer Hi, I'm New! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NW England, soon to be moving to uni in the Midlands Age: 19 Posts: 1	By disabling firewalls and antivirus software, SecuROM is malware, which I am certain is illegal :/ I'm also not keen on it dialling back to Sony with encrypted data, as there are definitely privacy issues with that (and Sony doesn't have a great record there). As such, I'm not buying anything from EA until they get rid of SecuROM completely, and even then I'm not sure I'd trust them enough to go back to buying from them.

27-08-2008, 02:22 AM	#144 (permalink)
simmy3 Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 95	I want to know if it is true about 3 limitation of installation the game. You only need to install the game three times on the same computer or different computers, but after three times, the game won’t allow you to install it again. You would have to call to request for a permission to install it again. I hope it is not true. If SecuROM will not affect our computers/laptops badly, then it is fine with me for them to put it on the game to protect against the piracy.

27-08-2008, 10:48 AM	#145 (permalink)
Sshodan Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5	3 installations is unfortunately true. SecuROM is not just protection software - no one is saying that EA should get right of protection altogether, but they should protect they games from piracy in a way that don't harm the users that ligaly buy them.

27-08-2008, 11:34 AM	#146 (permalink)
simmy135 Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: England, London Age: 14 Posts: 1,226	Why do they even do this?

28-08-2008, 01:38 AM	#147 (permalink)
simmy3 Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 95	Oh really? There are different stories about it. Some are saying that it was removed or unconfirmed. Some are saying that you can install it as many times as you can on the same computer, but for other computers, it is 3 limitation of installation. I am not sure which one. I would prefer waiting for EA to talk about this.

28-08-2008, 01:52 AM	#148 (permalink)
Lauren Elite Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sat in her house deliberating whether to change her facebook status. Gender: Female Posts: 7,340 Blog Entries: 3	The installation this is for different PCs Not concerned, I've been a EA-buying since 1998 (Well, games from 1998 ) Never had a problem. I've had Sims 1 (all EP's) SimCity3, SimCity 4&Rush hour, Sims 2 (2 EP, 2 SP) and Urbz. Never had a problem withh any of them. The internet limit is dropped, and people who say they're not buying a great game for that sole reason are a lalalalalaildish really. It's like throwing a fit when you don't get what you want. prepares to be flamed at __________________ "I'm not, like, young and, like, stupid!" LaurenAndLuce-GingerMidgets! Last edited by Lauren; 28-08-2008 at 01:57 AM..

02-09-2008, 02:09 PM	#149 (permalink)
Sshodan Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5	No, it's not childish. What is childish is not understanding what risks you will be facing with SecuROM installed on your computer, and not caring for the bills your computer service will present you with after they'll have to clean up after SecuROM, or the telephone bills you'll have to pay for constant contacts with support, or the amount of stress you'll have to go thru. 3 installations is a "3 computers" limit, if you uninstall the game correctly you "1 installation" is returned to you and you can install the game again... The problem is that quite often the process just plain fails, and you don't get your installation back, although any changes to system confuguration makes SecuROM think that it's bean moved to the new PC, so you louse your install anyway. In shorts - after a couple of system crashes, or viruses catches or just PC updates you run out of installations and have to contact the support and prove that it was not your fault... Or go buy the game again. BioShock is protected by SecuROM so if you want to hear all about that go read their forums. In addition if EA turns off the registration servers you won’t be able to play the game anymore at all. The say that the servers would run forever… But I don’t believe that. It’s a real worked and real business field, today EA is a bug player, but who knows what will happen to them tomorrow? I’ve been playing Might & Magic 6 on my old PC at my summer house for years after 3DO shut down, who knows, maybe 20 years from now I’ll get the urge to show sims 3 to my kids, since I bought the game I have all the rights to do that.

02-09-2008, 04:25 PM	#150 (permalink)
Rhalius Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Netherlands Age: 24 Posts: 770	In the end it is just a game and you will want to enjoy it, programs like SECUrom are part of the reason why consoles gain more popularity in recent years. EA couldnt care less about that though, as long as they can sell games on many platforms they are happy. Maybe they should just leave PC gaming completely and free Maxis, Bioware and other pc developers from their reign of terror. __________________ Hobbies: -ballroom and Latin dancing. -well crafted games, preferably from Bioware. -story writing.