Top 4 - Who Has The Best?

[ViVaRooney]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney

I think Chelsea have the best defence in the world, let alone the Premiership. Ashley Cole's once again become the best left back in Europe, John Terry is the best central defender in the world and has been for quite some time now and Petr Cech is still one of the world's top 3-5 goalkeepers, despite an indifferent season.

They demonstrated their defensive strength against the world's most dangerous attack in Barcelona in the Champions League. Took a wonder goal from Andres Iniesta to beat them.

you dont understand football do you? that was a team effort, it wasnt just the defense. they had 10 men on the edge of the box giving barca no space, they played deep with the midfielders stuck right infront of the back 4. without that midfield being so deep chelsea would have got destroyed just like we did to judge a defense on a negative perfomance like that is pretty foolish, any of the top 4 could have stopped barca if they played that negative.

anyway based on 08/09:

Strikeforce: Chelsea

Midfield: Chelsea

Defence: Man United

Squad: Man United

[Mode560]

Your still in-denial. How can Ochoa, Diego Lopez and so many of the keepers you listed be better than Cech even if he had that injury.

Your just jealous you dont have a world class keeper

Oh wait i forgot...you got Almunia.

[MikelArteta_10]

Strikeforce: Manchester United

Midfield: Chelsea

Defence: Manchester United

Squad: Manchester United

[Mode560]

Originally Posted by ViVaRooney

anyway based on 08/09:

Strikeforce: Chelsea

Midfield: Chelsea

Defence: Man United

Squad: Man United

Strikeforce: Chelsea

LOL?

[Gorayfle]

Arsenal V Chelsea V Liverpool V Man Utd

Strike force:

At first glance: Liverpool

Gerrard and Torres form deadliest strike partnership in the EPL.

Depth: Man Utd

The reserve strikers can be brought in to do a better job than those at Liverpool.


Midfield: Chelsea

A lot of quality players who play and some who are left on the bench. On their game the best EPL midfield.

Defence: Man Utd

Best central defensive pairing and the best reinforcements, not to mention a quality goalkeeper. Liverpool are a close second in the depth category though.

Squad:

Man Utd has the best overall squad IMO. Anyone can be called up to do a job for the manger when needed.

[ViVaRooney]

Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

Can you actually read? If I say Cech was better pre-Injury (2006) but hasn't been the same since (the present being 2009) then I'm saying between 2006 and 2009 all these players have been better...

you get sucked into the media talk dont you, bar a few mistakes cech was superb last season (08/09), made crucial saves in big games

[Anathematic]

What are you, 12? Just because I don't rate your goalkeeper doesn't make me jealous.

Adults can have opinions without letting who they support cloud their judgements, you should try it some time.

[ViVaRooney]

Originally Posted by Mode560

Strikeforce: Chelsea

LOL?

Drogba and Anelka.. Anelka was top scorer and Drogba on his day can be unplayable. won you a place in the FA Cup final on his own

[Anathematic]

Originally Posted by ViVaRooney

you get sucked into the media talk dont you, bar a few mistakes cech was superb last season (08/09), made crucial saves in big games

Actually, unlike you (I love Benzema! I love Owen! Bestest players ever! Tevez is lalalala!) I formulate my opinions based on what I see and actually rarely watch half time or full time analysis of games due to the sub par standard of the "pundits" they have.

Cech was far from superb, he made far too many mistakes, and whilst he made some crucial saves he was no better than Van der Sar or Tim Howard.

[ViVaRooney]

Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

(I love Benzema! I love Owen! Bestest players ever! Tevez is lalalala!)

i still love benzema

where did i say i love owen? i just gave reasons as to why it might be a good move

i have always said tevez is lalalalae, apart from work rate he is average

so i dont see what that part of the post was about

[Anathematic]

You hop on band wagons more often than Owen gets injured mate.

Anyway, can't be lalalalaed with "debating" with you people anymore. Good night.

[ViVaRooney]

Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

You hop on band wagons more often than Owen gets injured mate.

Anyway, can't be lalalalaed with "debating" with you people anymore. Good night.

i have yet to see a proof..

i went on about benzema, when real signed him i was devastated, i didnt start slating the player's potential/quality off. if i "hop on band wagons" then i would have said "oh he isnt that good anyway, he is overrated" or something like that

you are pathetic, i hate people who make comments based on their imagination

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

Do you watch the same Cech as me? Cech is extremely flattered by his defence and an average keeper at best...

Valdes, Casillas, Buffon, Julio Cesar, Reina, Diego Lopez, Renan, Akinfeev, Frey, Lloris, Ochoa and even arguably Tim Howard are miles ahead of Cech. He hasn't been the same since he had his head caved in.

Average? He's gone from world class to average in the space of 2 seasons? He was magnificent towards the end of the season, and do you genuinely believe Tim Howard, a Manchester United reject, is 'miles' ahead of Petr Cech?

Renan was on the bench for a large portion of Valencia's season, and you even managed to sneak Victor Valdes in there too! I'm willing to bet you've not seen half of those goalkeepers play on a regular basis.

[Matieo10]

Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

Man Utd's first choice midfield is pretty weak to be honest...

To keep everyone happy swap Man U and Chelsea!

Despite them not individually being better than the other big fours, they're still better than Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal's midfield in actuality.

Possession and efficiency-wise, only Barcelona can rival Man Utd's midfield.

Originally Posted by The Citizen

Your trying to be funny and failing again...<<That is overused by you

Don't you have to complain about people criticizing Man City's transfers or something, somewhere

P.S. - I wasn't trying to be funny

[Screech]

Strikeforce: Liverpool

Midfield: Arsenal

Defence: Chelsea

Squad: Chelsea

[SPECIAL_STEVEN]

Originally Posted by Matieo10

Despite them not individually being better than the other big fours, they're still better than Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal's midfield in actuality.

Possession and efficiency-wise, only Barcelona can rival Man Utd's midfield.



Don't you have to complain about people criticizing Man City's transfers or something, somewhere

P.S. - I wasn't trying to be funny

Arsenal and Chelsea's midfield hold posession much better than Man Utd's.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by ViVaRooney

you dont understand football do you? that was a team effort, it wasnt just the defense. they had 10 men on the edge of the box giving barca no space, they played deep with the midfielders stuck right infront of the back 4. without that midfield being so deep chelsea would have got destroyed just like we did to judge a defense on a negative perfomance like that is pretty foolish, any of the top 4 could have stopped barca if they played that negative.

anyway based on 08/09:

Strikeforce: Chelsea

Midfield: Chelsea

Defence: Man United

Squad: Man United

I'm not interested in how Chelsea played as a team. Defensively they were superb, and not once did their defenders get embarrassed by losing Lionel bloody Messi of all players for a clear cut header, and not once did their defenders get turned inside out like Nemanja Vidic did by Samuel Eto'o. Of course, I don't know football though...

[Ponchagy-Mex]

Strikeforce: Liverpool

Midfield: Chelsea

Defence: Manchester United

Squad: Manchester United

[Matieo10]

Originally Posted by SPECIAL_STEVEN

Arsenal and Chelsea's midfield hold posession much better than Man Utd's.

No they don't. But you're able to believe whatever you like to choose.

[SPECIAL_STEVEN]

Originally Posted by Matieo10

No they don't. But you're able to believe whatever you like to choose.

Arsenal + Chelsea are posession orientated.

Man Utd are brute force, the only reason they even have so much posession is because most teams sit back against them.

[ViVaRooney]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney

I'm not interested in how Chelsea played as a team. Defensively they were superb, and not once did their defenders get embarrassed by losing Lionel bloody Messi of all players for a clear cut header, and not once did their defenders get turned inside out like Nemanja Vidic did by Samuel Eto'o. Of course, I don't know football though...

yeah you dont obviously, as you just totally ignored every point i made. their defense didnt make those mistakes cause the midfield was defending ahead of the. there wasnt any space unlike our game where we attacked barca

Also do you forget the 3/4 clear chance barca had at the camp nou? henry pen, free bojan header, hleb 1-on-1 etc

you still dont seem to understand what is meant by best defense, its indivdually who is better, where as your example is a great defensive display BY THE TEAM. if the midfield wasnt so negative against barca believe me terry and alex would have been turned inside out...but they werent cause they had protection

if that performance showed a section of the team that was strong it was the midfield not the defense

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by ViVaRooney

yeah you dont obviously, as you just totally ignored every point i made. their defense didnt make those mistakes cause the midfield was defending ahead of the. there wasnt any space unlike our game where we attacked barca

Hold on, are you insinuating that Michael Essien and John Obi Mikel were the sole reason Chelsea's defence didn't crack?! The added protection was for Jose Bosingwa with Ashley Cole suspended, going up against the best player in the world and Branislav Ivanovic playing as a makeshift right back.

Manchester United had Michael Carrick shielding their defence in Rome, and after a 20 minute flurry, Andres Iniesta and Lionel Messi started bulldozing through their midfield causing havoc.

Bear in mind the Manchester United side didn't have to deal with Daniel Alves or Eric Abidal bombing down the flanks either, and they still got torn apart by Barcelona.

Originally Posted by ViVaRooney

Also do you forget the 3/4 clear chance barca had at the camp nou? henry pen, free bojan header, hleb 1-on-1 etc

Bojan header aside, there were hardly any 'clear cut' chances, and you've got to be the most naive person in the world if you think Barcelona weren't going to get some opportunities, regardless of the opposition and their tactics.

Chelsea made a few of their own and risked getting caught on the counter attack. Didier Drogba had the best chances in both matches too.

Originally Posted by ViVaRooney

you still dont seem to understand what is meant by best defense, its indivdually who is better, where as your example is a great defensive display BY THE TEAM. if the midfield wasnt so negative against barca believe me terry and alex would have been turned inside out...but they werent cause they had protection

if that performance showed a section of the team that was strong it was the midfield not the defense

If you want to go by individuals, then Chelsea's defence is quite easily the best in the world. Again, Ashley Cole looks better than he ever did at Arsenal, John Terry is still the best central defender in the world, and Jose Bosingwa is one of the best right backs in the world, and don't tell me he's bad as your boss was after him before Chelsea snapped him up.

You seem to discredit the Chelsea defence and the job Petr Cech did for them. Ivanovic squeezed the life out of Henry on the left wing, Bosingwa shadowed Messi around the pitch giving him no space whatsoever, and Terry and Alex didn't let anything get past them even when the Chelsea midfield had been bypassed.

Bottom line is, without their defence, they would have got annihilated, not the midfield.

[Raven_Pwns]

Strikeforce: Liverpool (only bcoz ronaldo is at Madrid & tevez gone)

Midfield: United

Defence: United

Squad: United

[TorresxVilla]

Strikeforce: Liverpool

Midfield: Arsenal

Defence: Man U

Squad: Chelsea

There...everyone's equal.

Liverpool has the best strikeforce...Torres...enough said. But seriously...Man U might have better depth there, but I believe Liverpool are better up front...

Arsenal's midfield is stacked...Fabregas, Arshavin, Nasri, a lot of flair too...Chelsea's is not bad either...Lampard, Essien, Mikel, J. Cole, Malouda...I just like Arsenal's better. The Gunners' midfield is more entertaining for me...

Man U have a solid backline...Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic. Chelsea are not far behind...

Chelsea have the best overall squad. They do not have "star" players anywhere but they are effective overall. With a fit squad, they can beat anyone with the likes of Drogba, Terry, Lampard, Ashely Cole and Cech.

[Rosanero-Aquile]

striker:liverpool
midfield:chelsea/liverpool
defend:chelsea
goalkeper:chelsea
squad:chelsea/manchesteru