Steven Gerrard the Hypocrite - Page 2

cbcruz · 04-07-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

All fans are guilty of that though, no matter how impartial they may try to be (some don't even try, but that's a different matter) it's hard to see a player for what he truely is if he's done alot for your club.

For instance: Roy Keane. The majority of people who aren't United fans or Irish would probably agree that he's a dispicable human being and should've had a lifetime ban after what he did to Halaand. I don't expect you to agree, and why should you, the guy was amazing for your club for years.

There's a difference between tackling and diving though. One can love a player for the "kick 'em, kill 'em" attitude, but I doubt anyone loves "Dive down, look hurt" attitude. Which is one of the reason I didn't like Ronaldo, but love the likes of Keano and Rooney!

EDIT: I should mention that Keano was bit over the top, but it's a mans game.

PS: Take a look at Vinny Jones, now that's a psycho.

Dan · 04-07-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cbcruz

There's a difference between tackling and diving though. One can love a player for the "kick 'em, kill 'em" attitude, but I doubt anyone loves "Dive down, look hurt" attitude. Which is one of the reason I didn't like Ronaldo, but love the likes of Keano and Rooney!

EDIT: I should mention that Keano was bit over the top, but it's a mans game.

PS: Take a look at Vinny Jones, now that's a psycho.

You are doing exactly what we supposedly are.. You're defending Keane, when everyone sees him as a thug.. We defend Gerrard when everyone else is against him..

Throwing stone, glass houses and all that..

Also, show me where I defended him.. I don't remember anything on saying he is right to do it, or that he should do it?..

Anathematic · 04-07-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cbcruz

There's a difference between tackling and diving though. One can love a player for the "kick 'em, kill 'em" attitude, but I doubt anyone loves "Dive down, look hurt" attitude. Which is one of the reason I didn't like Ronaldo, but love the likes of Keano and Rooney!

EDIT: I should mention that Keano was bit over the top, but it's a mans game.

PS: Take a look at Vinny Jones, now that's a psycho.

Well you are looking at the positive aspect of one and the negative of the other. The "kick 'em" attitude" obviously implies passion, however the "dive down attitude" shows a willingness to do absolutely anything to gain your club the advantage. Taking the risk of getting sent off and gaining a terrible reputation with the media to gain the advantage for your club.

Keane wasn't a "bit over the top" and it being a "mans game" is absolutely no excuse for trying to injure the opposition and ending a mans career.

cbcruz · 04-07-2009, 03:53 PM

I'm accepting Keane and his attitude and playing style. Are you accepting Gerrard and his dives? (Because that would make you admit he's diving / a hypocrite)

I'd like you to answer that one.

cbcruz · 04-07-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

absolutely no excuse for trying to injure the opposition and ending a mans career.

I take it you're referring to that fellow Norwegian scumbag?

He reitred because his other knee.

Dan · 04-07-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cbcruz

I'm accepting Keane and his attitude and playing style. Are you accepting Gerrard and his dives? (Because that would make you admit he's diving / a hypocrite)

I'd like to answer that one.

Yes he dives, and yes that makes him a hypocrite.. I always have.. And I don't care if he is or not..

Do you accept then, that Rooney is a hypocrite, with the evidence that 7_Robert_Pires presented to you?..

Anathematic · 04-07-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cbcruz

I take it you're referring to that fellow Norwegian scumbag?

He reitred because his other knee.

It doesn't change the fact the man never played another game of football after that Keane tackle though does it?

cbcruz · 04-07-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

So is Rooney... Claimed he'd never dive, yet he dives a fair bit... Not as much as Gerrard, but he still does it.

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Originally Posted by cbcruz

I have no problem accepting the fact that it makes him a hypocrite as well.

So, your point?

EDIT: It's the scousers that can't accept the fact that Gerrard did what he said he never was going to do.

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Originally Posted by Danthomas2005

Yes he dives, and yes that makes him a hypocrite.. I always have.. And I don't care if he is or not..

Do you accept then, that Rooney is a hypocrite, with the evidence that 7_Robert_Pires presented to you?..

There you go.

I really don't want to fight about this, it's just that I've never seen a Liverpool supporter accept what you just did.

So, we're cool?

Reaver · 04-07-2009, 03:59 PM

Does Gerrard even realise when the full time whistle goes?

YouTube - Steven Gerrard falls over stood still during live interview!

Dan · 04-07-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cbcruz

There you go.

I really don't want to fight about this, it's just that I've never seen a Liverpool supporter accept what you just did.

So, we're cool?

Yeah..

Anathematic · 04-07-2009, 04:04 PM

The other thing is I'd be very interested to see the date on Gerrard's interview where he said those things and the dates when people think he started diving... Often people head into something principled and with the best of intentions, but ultimately realise that if you don't "play the game" then you are at a disadvantage...

I know there's a Thierry interview where he says he doesn't like to dive, but against Spain for instance he wasn't getting free kicks he should have, so he dived. Had he gone into the game thinking "I'll dive every time someone touches me" I don't think so, he'd realised that with the way alot of modern defenders are with shirt pulling and holding, if you don't dive then you won't always get the free kicks you should. Do I exucse what Titi did? No, I still think it was wrong, I can however understand why he did it.

super_binbon · 04-07-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danthomas2005

He never gets pulled up on it because it doesn't happen as much as people make out..

He's not being pulled up because of how often he dives, it's for being a hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

I don't get why people try to cry and be self-righteous about it. I guarantee no matter who you support there are players in your team who dive, so stop crying about it and accept that until it is a red card offense that diving isn't going to become any less frequent.

He's not being pulled up just for his dives, it's for being a hypocrite.

Dan · 04-07-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by super_binbon

He's not being pulled up because of how often he dives, it's for being a hypocrite.

What?..

super_binbon · 04-07-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Danthomas2005

What?..

I don't know how to expand on that, it's pretty clear.

FifaFreaky · 04-07-2009, 04:30 PM

Never liked that Gerrard boy.

Dan · 04-07-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by super_binbon

Yeah he's one of the worst divers in the EPL. Never gets pulled up on it 'cos he's English. English players have too much integrity, it's all those foreign guys who are the divers.

That vid doesn't include the ridiculous dives against Marseille and Athletico this year.

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Originally Posted by super_binbon

He's not being pulled up because of how often he dives, it's for being a hypocrite.

He's not being pulled up just for his dives, it's for being a hypocrite.

First you talk about him not being pulled up for his dives, then you say he's not being pulled up for a hypocrite..

Expand then please?..

super_binbon · 04-07-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danthomas2005

First you talk about him not being pulled up for his dives, then you say he's not being pulled up for a hypocrite..

What?

Dan · 04-07-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by super_binbon

What?

I really can't be assed with this..

End it here?..

super_binbon · 04-07-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Danthomas2005

I really can't be assed with this..

End it here?..

I think you've read it wrong mate, I've said the same thing both times.

cbcruz · 04-07-2009, 04:36 PM

^I laughed at that little conversation

Dan · 04-07-2009, 04:36 PM

I'm just confused..

D-Smith-LFC · 04-07-2009, 04:46 PM

Imo though most of the footage youve got of him and your saying he's diving imo there not even dives, the worst being the Penalty in the cup final against Milan, every1 says that was a dive and it winds me up coz it was a blantant foul, watch Gatuso's left leg catch Gerrard?....

Anathematic · 04-07-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Smith-LFC

Imo though most of the footage youve got of him and your saying he's diving imo there not even dives, the worst being the Penalty in the cup final against Milan, every1 says that was a dive and it winds me up coz it was a blantant foul, watch Gatuso's left leg catch Gerrard?....

The issue isn't whether there was a foul, it's whether Gerrard dived, which he did. Gattuso makes a small amount of contact with Gerrard's left leg, at which point Gerrard's right leg immediatley buckles.

super_binbon · 04-07-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Smith-LFC

Imo though most of the footage youve got of him and your saying he's diving imo there not even dives, the worst being the Penalty in the cup final against Milan, every1 says that was a dive and it winds me up coz it was a blantant foul, watch Gatuso's left leg catch Gerrard?....

M1ZZ0U · 04-07-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooneh

Does Gerrard even realise when the full time whistle goes?

YouTube - Steven Gerrard falls over stood still during live interview!

Haha.

04-07-2009, 03:53 PM	#29 (permalink)
cbcruz Elite Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: at home Age: 20 Gender: Male Posts: 9,551	I'm accepting Keane and his attitude and playing style. Are you accepting Gerrard and his dives? (Because that would make you admit he's diving / a hypocrite) I'd like you to answer that one. __________________ thanks sixtoo/kyro7 for sig/avatar!

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Anathematic Forum Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: London Age: 21 Gender: Male Posts: 2,987	The other thing is I'd be very interested to see the date on Gerrard's interview where he said those things and the dates when people think he started diving... Often people head into something principled and with the best of intentions, but ultimately realise that if you don't "play the game" then you are at a disadvantage... I know there's a Thierry interview where he says he doesn't like to dive, but against Spain for instance he wasn't getting free kicks he should have, so he dived. Had he gone into the game thinking "I'll dive every time someone touches me" I don't think so, he'd realised that with the way alot of modern defenders are with shirt pulling and holding, if you don't dive then you won't always get the free kicks you should. Do I exucse what Titi did? No, I still think it was wrong, I can however understand why he did it. __________________ Formerly Known As: 7_Robert_Pires

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cbcruz Elite Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: at home Age: 20 Gender: Male Posts: 9,551	^I laughed at that little conversation __________________ thanks sixtoo/kyro7 for sig/avatar!

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Dan EA Veteran Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: England... Martin Skrtel does not sleep, he waits.. Age: 17 Gender: Male Posts: 12,748 Blog Entries: 2	I'm just confused.. __________________

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04-07-2009, 04:46 PM	#47 (permalink)
D-Smith-LFC Forum Guru Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kop 203. Gender: Male Posts: 1,003	Imo though most of the footage youve got of him and your saying he's diving imo there not even dives, the worst being the Penalty in the cup final against Milan, every1 says that was a dive and it winds me up coz it was a blantant foul, watch Gatuso's left leg catch Gerrard?....