Mexicans Abroad

[LilPancho86]

This thread is for discussion of Mexican football players outside of Mexico... For simplicity, I'll focus on those in top European Leagues for now (Spain, England, Germany, Holland)... if there are any more that should be added, please post...

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SPAIN (LA LIGA):

*Rafael "el kaiser de michoacan" Marquez (FC Barcelona)
Position: CB/CDM

GOAL: YouTube - Barça 2-0 Mallorca Copa del Rey - Rafa Rarquez (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc1U7x91Fr0)
-League Champion with AS Monaco and FC Barcelona
-Champions League winner with FC Barcelona

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*Jonathan dos Santos (FC Barcelona)
Position: CAM/CM/CDM


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*Andres "el principito" Guardado (Deportivo La Coruña)
Position: LWM

GOAL: YouTube - Andres Guardado Deportivo La Curuna Goal Against Feyenoord 3-0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mis7ix7N9h8)

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SPAIN (Youth Teams):

*Carlos Plascencia (Atletico Madrid)
Position: LWM

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*Richard Sanchez (Atletico Madrid)
Position: GK

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*Alfonso Solorio (Valencia CF)

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ENGLAND (English Premier League):

*Carlos "el bombardero" Vela (Arsenal FC)
Position: ST/LWM

GOAL: YouTube - Carlos Vela Amazing Goal (Arsenal - Sheffield United) HQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uueLbIU1bmg)
-U17 World Champion with Mexico

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*Giovani dos Santos (Tottenham Hotspurs)
Position: CAM/RWM

GOAL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJNhEXAd-CU
-U17 World Champion with Mexico

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*Guillermo Franco (West Ham United)
Position: ST

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Italy (Serie A):

*Miguel Layun (Atalanta, loaned from Veracruz)
Position: RWM


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Italy (Serie B):

*Silvero Guzman (Vicenza Calcio)
Position: GK

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Italy (Youth Teams):

*Carlo Crociani (AC Siena)
Position: LB

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GERMANY (Bundesliga):

*Ricardo Osorio (VfB Stuttgart)
Position: RB/CB

GOAL: YouTube - ricardo osorio gol goal stuttgart liga alemana 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8dbq25Qqlg)
-League Champion with VfB Stuttgart

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HOLLAND (Eredivisie):

*Carlos Salcido (PSV Eindhoven)
Position: LB/CB

GOAL: YouTube - Carlos Salcido Best Goal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb4Hny73xdE)
-League Champion with PSV Eindhoven

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*Francisco "el maza" Rodriguez (PSV Eindhoven)
Position: CB

GOAL: YouTube - Maza Rodriguez PSV - Heracles (1-0) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYdteFzn_o)

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*Hector Moreno (AZ Alkmaar)
Position: CB

-U17 World Champion with Mexico
-League Champion with AZ Alkmaar

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GREECE (Greek Super League):

*Antonio "el tano" De Nigris (AEL Larissa)
Position: ST
[R.I.P.]

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UKRAINE:

*Nery "el diablo" Castillo (FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk, loaned from Shakhtar Donetsk)
Position: ST
-League Champion with Olympiakos

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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (Major League Soccer):

*Cuauhtemoc Blanco (Chicago Fire)
Chicago Fire: Roster: Player Bio (http://chicago.fire.mlsnet.com/playe...atType=current)
Position: CAM
GOAL: YouTube - Golazo de Cuauhtemoc Blanco con el Chicago Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcfBS...eature=related)

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*Claudio 'el emperador' Suarez (Chivas USA)
Chivas USA: Roster: Player Bio (http://chivas.usa.mlsnet.com/players...atType=current)
Position: CB

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*Luis Angel Landin (Houston Dynamo)
Position: ST

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HUNGARY:

*Jose Manuel Rivera (Budapest Honved FC)
Budapest Honvéd Online | A Budapest Honvéd Futball Club hivatalos portálja (http://honvedfc.hu/?page=50&jatekos_...6zJ9SD7T1Iwhlp)

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FINLAND:

*Alberto Ramirez (FC Inter Turku)
FC Inter (http://www.fcinter.com/pelaaja.php?players_id=40)

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VENEZUELA:

*Rodrigo 'el mariachi' Prieto (Caracas FC)

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*Gerardo 'el tato' Torres (Caracas FC)

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more to come...

[iFootballer]

hmm i might be wrong be that's all that play in europe right?

[LilPancho86]

The ones I could think of off the top of my head... Pavel Pardo (VfB Stuttgart), Aaron Galindo (Eintracht Frankfurt), and Omar Bravo came back to the Mexican League... Bravo is on loan from Deportivo... Efrain Juarez Valdez came back to the Mexican League (Pumas) from the Barca youth ranks... There are some other Mexicans in Hungary, last time I checked, and in other lower Euro Leagues, I think... There's one that used to be in the Spanish second division (Javier Iturriaga), but I don't know where he's at now... also, we have Jonathan dos Santos, captain of the Barca Juvenil A team... and a player in the AC Milan youth ranks... and another player that used to be in the Real Madrid youth ranks, who went to Lille in France, but I don't know anything else about him... I'd have to research more...

[Kellog_G8]

Meh...

[Scuba Steve]

Not as many as I would have thought. Most then stay to play in Mexico then?

[Gorayfle]

What's Nery Castillo up to?

[Kellog_G8]

Originally Posted by hokiegooner

Not as many as I would have thought. Most then stay to play in Mexico then?

Yes, many of them get bought back to Mexico Also not much of a nessesity when the league isn't bad at all.

[Scuba Steve]

Thats cool. No problems with playing in your country.

[kal915]

Of course Nery in Ukraine. There's some keepers in Atletico that I heard of...

[iFootballer]

^oh really? what keepers?

[TheEdgeFan7]

Theyre only in the youth squads...i believe they were picked up from chivas and cruz azul

[el che star]

you forgot Jonathan Dos Santos (Gios brother) who is in Barca reserves and has already trained with 1st team....

[LilPancho86]

Originally Posted by hokiegooner

Not as many as I would have thought. Most then stay to play in Mexico then?

well, I only named the ones playing in the top tiers of each country's league, so I'd have to research more in depth about the ones in second divisions, youth squads, and the like... then there'e the issue of wages... players in the Mexican League are paid quite well, and in order for many of the Mexican players to make the jump to a Euro League, they sacrifice their wages and therefore suffer pay cuts... such is the case with Pavel Pardo, who went to play for Stuttgart (Germany), sacrificing his higher paychecks in Mexico... it was worth it, though... after 2 seasons as an undisputed starter, winning the League Championship the first season he was there, and even taking the captain's armband for a time, Pardo came back to Mexico as a true champion...

there are only a handful of Mexican players in europe, but of those, nearly half have won League Titles, and almost all of them are playing for important clubs in their respective country... so, I like to think of it as quality over quantity...

then again, there are a handful of other Mexican League players who have the potential to triumph in Europe, but the clubs they play for sometimes make it too hard for them to leave... Jose Antonio Castro was denied by Club America for the chance to play for Espanyol (Spain), Omar Bravo was denied a couple of years ago by Chivas to play for Recreativo Huelva (Spain), Gerardo Torrado was denied the opportunity to play in Europe again by Cruz Azul, this time for Espanyol (Spain)... Oswaldo Sanchez was denied by Chivas for the chance to play for Hannover 96 (Germany), and so on...

some Mexican Clubs also dish out millions to bring back certain players: Francisco Fonseca was lured back from Benfica (Portugal), as well as Aaron Galindo from Eintracht Frankfurt (Germany)... those guys were actually doing okay, but some Mexican Clubs spoiled it, by bringing them back before they could progress... also, some big clubs offered insultingly low amounts of money for Jared Borgetti several years ago (AC Milan), and Andres Guardado (Real Madrid, youth team)... so, naturally, the Mexican Clubs they played for didn't let them go...

also interesting to note that every Euro-based player I listed on the first page (in addition to previous players: Pardo, Galindo, Bravo, Borgetti, and Fonseca) all scored at least one goal each... Jared Borgetti was the only Bolton Wanderers (England) player to score in all 4 competitions Bolton was in during the season he was there...

[LilPancho86]

Originally Posted by Gorayfle

What's Nery Castillo up to?

Nery hasn't played much since his injury... my guess is that Shakhtar want him at 100% fitness before they play him more... hopefully he plays a full 90min soon...

[LilPancho86]

Jonathan dos Santos is said to have even more potental than his older brother, Giovani dos Santos... He's been tipped as being a contender to joining the senior FC Barcelona squad in due time...

[TheEdgeFan7]

I kinda feel sorry for eder dos santos...hes horrible, especially compared to his younger bros

[LilPancho86]

Player Updates (will be further updated after tomorrow's matches):

Rafael Marquez (Barcelona): Did not play in the draw against Valencia (2-2)...
Valencia 2-2 Barcelona... El empate le sabe poco al Barcelona - Futbol - mediotiempo.com

Andres Guardado (Deportivo La Coruña): Played 90min in the draw against Malaga (1-1), contributing an assist for the goal...
Málaga 1-1 Deportivo... Aranzubía impidió la caída del Depor - Futbol - mediotiempo.com

Guillermo Franco (Villareal): [injured] Did not play in the win against Getafe (2-1)...
http://www.mediotiempo.com/futbol/me...a-getafe_21037

Carlos Vela (Arsenal): Did not play in the win against Middlesbrough (2-0)...
http://www.skysports.com/football/ma...112344,00.html

Giovani dos Santos (Ipswich): Played 90min in the win against Cardiff City (3-0)...
Roy Keane debutó con el Ipswich con una victoria - Futbol - mediotiempo.com

Ricardo Osorio (Stuttgart): [injured] Did not play in the win against Eintracht Frankfurt (2-0)...
Stuttgart a un punto del sublíder Hertha Berlín - Futbol - mediotiempo.com

Carlos Salcido (PSV): Played 90min in the win against Heracles (2-0)...
PSV con Maza y Salcido ganó al Heracles - Futbol - mediotiempo.com

Francisco Rodriguez (PSV): Played 90min in the win against Heracles (2-0)...
PSV con Maza y Salcido ganó al Heracles - Futbol - mediotiempo.com

Hector Moreno (Alkmaar): [injured] Did not pay in the draw against Ajax (1-1)...
http://www.skysports.com/football/ma...023653,00.html

Antonio De Nigris (Ankaragucu): Played 45min in the win against Fenerbahce (2-1)...
Ankaragucu con De Nigris venció al Fenerbahçe - Futbol - mediotiempo.com

Nery Castillo (Shakhtar): Did not play in the win against Chornomorets (1-0)...
Gana Shakhtar Donetsk y se afianza como sublíder - Futbol - mediotiempo.com

[Dustin]

Do any Mexicans play in South America?

[Irn-Bru-]

Whats the average wage for Mexican players playing in Mexico?

[TheEdgeFan7]

Yes... There some in peru, colombia and venezuela...south america doesnt really attract to many; mostly cause south american wages dont compare what mexican clubs can offer

[LilPancho86]

Originally Posted by Fracchiolla

Whats the average wage for Mexican players playing in Mexico?

don't know an exact amount, but based on segments on sports news in español, the Mexican League clubs pay more than South American Leagues on average... Club America being one of the richest clubs in the FMF, if not the richest... this brings up another theory as to why so few Mexicans make the jump to Europe... European clubs have a budget, so they are careful with their money... Why try to match a said wage for a quality Mexican player, when they could sign a quality Brazilian or Argentine player for less? Pavel Pardo is a particularly good defensive midfielder, so he sacrificed his higher wages in Club America for lower paychecks at Stuttgart... This is not to say that ALL Mexican players make more than they would playing in South American and Euro clubs, but some 'star' players are paid well enough to stay financially content in the Mexican League, which is a decent league in its own right...

In the Confederations Cup 2005, the Mexican squad only had ONE player in a Euro League (Marquez at Barcelona), and during important matches (against Brazil and Germany), he was suspended... A full Mexican League-based squad defeated Brazil (1-0) and narrowly lost to Germany (3-4)... which is a paradox... now that Mexico has more players succeeding in Europe, the Mexico NT as a whole is taking a dive in form...

[LilPancho86]

Originally Posted by Dustin

Do any Mexicans play in South America?

yea, there are several... I'll look them up and update the list eventually...

[BMxJoga]

Originally Posted by hokiegooner

Not as many as I would have thought. Most then stay to play in Mexico then?

Yeah, although unlike our MLS, FMF has been here a while and has established a good financial backbone, not to mention being the "Europe" of South and Central America.

[TheEdgeFan7]

Im not really sure what the average salary is, but i read somewhere that the average salary of players in Argentina is between 50-150 thousand dollars...so i think its safe to say that most starting players make a six figure salary; maybe excluding the smaller teams like puebla, indios, uag, atlas etc...While teams like Club America, Monterrey, Tigres, Cruz Azul, etc have a several, if not the majority of their usual starters having salaries in or nearing the millions. Off the top of my head, i know Club America paid their former coach, Ramon Diaz, 3.5 million dollars (at one point was the highest paid coach in any sport throughout the Americas) and currently pay Pavel Pardo 4 million dollars. I believe Monterrey's Humberto Suazo is the highest paid player in mexico, making something between 4-5 million dollars a year.

[Scuba Steve]

Originally Posted by JogaCB912

Yeah, although unlike our MLS, FMF has been here a while and has established a good financial backbone, not to mention being the "Europe" of South and Central America.

Yeah, the league has a huge influence on that. Although, I thought with the skill level and such, that more would go and play overseas anyways. No problem though staying in their league though. Especially if you get paid nicely.