England Fans "Have Every Right" To Boo Players?

[ForeverBlue'86]

Sorry for the new thread on it - but I don't get this view at all, hear me out. First Kevin Miles, then Steven Gerrard and now Jeff Powell was having a sneery dig at Ashley Cole today saying Cole deserves to be booed for everything he represents. In that case, why not call for Rio "the steward and fan assaulter" to be booed, or Wayne "the granny shagging t**t" who cost us the 2006 World Cup to be booed or Beckham "the impetuous lalala" who cost us two World Cups to be booed?

On to my point of the thread though - if there is this view that people have obviously paid their money and have every right to express their opinion, then what sort of example is that setting at a time we're trying to kick racism out of football? By their theory, as long as you pay to be in the ground you have "every right to express your opinion"...

Other than monkey noises, I don't think I've ever heard anything as moronically stupid at a football ground as the booing on Saturday though. If Cole had been guilty of a lack of effort, I might have understood it and even sympathised with it. If he'd been the worst player on the pitch, it still wouldn't have been right to boo but you might have seen a motive. But no. It was just "let's pick on someone for the sake of it". England fans get the performances they deserve. They've made the players terrified of making a mistake and they give them lalalala all support when they need it.

[ILCaesar]

I don't thinlalala players should ever be booed by their own fans. They're representing one's nation and are under great pressure. Even when we had pretty bad runs in the Euro, I never booed players like Toni who couldn't hit a barn door.

[Anima Flux]

I'm no fan of Ashley Cole, to be quite honest I think the guy is an utter ****.

BUT, the boos echoing around Wembley are not on one single bit. When he's on the pitch, he's representing the country of England, he has played well for them, probably one of the few consistant players they have right now. Yeah, the guy made the mistake that led to the goal, but the guy is human, it happens every weekend, players do make mistakes.

England, sing when you are winning, boo when things aren't going your way. It's pathetic. So much for sticking by your country no matter what.

[ForeverBlue'86]

In Saturdays game, Matthew Upson made a couple extremely silly mistakes, the most notable one was half way through the first half when he passed it back to David James in the penalty area who just about spared his blushes... later on Cole does it, and Khazakhstan score, but Cole gets booed?

Booing opposition fans/players has been part of the game for years now, that's fair enough, but booing your own players takes the most gutless sort of fan to do so. Other countries clap their teams off even when the don't always win or put in a under par performance and get behind them. But not here, we make them feel worse by booing them... thats the spirt... no wonder our nationl team lack the confidence.

[thuda1991]

nobody should ever be booing their own players, especially on the NT. There was some booing of Brøndby (Rasmussen, Krohn-Dehli, Duncan) players in the game against Malta. It was so annoying to listen to. Duncan isn't good enough for the NT, but he's on, and he should be supported by our fans. I guess there were too many lalala fans there, but it only resulted in Thomas Kristensen (lalala) being booed when he got subbed on by other fans. On the NT, the club's fans should really set their difference aside, and support the chosen team.

[ILCaesar]

Only time I don't boo Materazzi is NT. I don't understand how that's so hard to do. I've always thought country>club. To me, booing your own players is like booing your country.

[Laurencioso]

The Italian has a point. Why on earth would you boo your own team? You're supposed to support them damnit. So he made a mistake, be sad and live with it. Support the guy so he doesn't make the mistake again. Capello has every right to rip the England fans a new one....

[DannyB]

Since when was Wazza a granny shagging lalala??

But no, Cole shouldn't be booed. He made a mistake, big deal. It just so happens that his mistake cost us a goal, but when a mistake from Walcott would mean loosing the ball, or Heskey not scoring etc..

[COYS]

Originally Posted by Laurencioso

The Italian has a point. Why on earth would you boo your own team? You're supposed to support them damnit.

I’ve booed Spurs players on plenty of occasions, and no doubt I’ll do it on plenty more occasions by the end of the season.

If you support a team who are challenging for the Premiership or other major trophies then you’d have no idea what it’s like to watch an entire team of player stroll around the pitch and give no effort whatsoever, but if you supported a team who consistently finished mid-table every season you’d know what other supporter have to go through.

After Spurs won the League Cup last season their Premier League for was terrible, they didn't want to know and managed to get thrashed by Birmingham and Newcastle - so they deserved to be booed.

Ashley Cole wasn’t booed because of that single mistake, but for a lot of supporters it was the straw that broke the camels back.

If anybody listened to Alan Green’s ‘Football Phone-In’ on Radio Five on Saturday evening at least a dozen England supporters called the show and explained why they booed Ashley Cole, and it’s because of his behaviour in the last few seasons away from the pitch

[Laurencioso]

Originally Posted by COYS

I’ve booed Spurs players on plenty of occasions, and no doubt I’ll do it on plenty more occasions by the end of the season.

If you support a team who are challenging for the Premiership or other major trophies then you’d have no idea what it’s like to watch an entire team of player stroll around the pitch and give no effort whatsoever, but if you supported a team who consistently finished mid-table every season you’d know what other supporter have to go through.

After Spurs won the League Cup last season their Premier League for was terrible, they didn't want to know and managed to get thrashed by Birmingham and Newcastle - so they deserved to be booed.

Ashley Cole wasn’t booed because of that single mistake, but for a lot of supporters it was the straw that broke the camels back.

If anybody listened to Alan Green’s ‘Football Phone-In’ on Radio Five on Saturday evening at least a dozen England supporters called the show and explained why they booed Ashley Cole, and it’s because of his behaviour in the last few seasons away from the pitch

My home team was struggling in the relegation zone for the majority of the begining of the season, now they are among the best. But I NEVER booed them. NEVER.

[COYS]

I think it depends on which team you follow, if your team are doing well to be in the Premiership and fighting for their lives then of course your not going to boo them are you?

But if they have international players in their team, have costs tens of millions of pounds, collect more money in wages per week than most fellas do in a year then if they aren’t putting in the required effort they deserve to be booed.

There’s no way I’d tolerate a footballer whose on £50,000 per week strolling around the pitch and putting in lacklustre performance when I’ve had to make financial sacrifices and struggled to be able to afford to watch them.

[Laurencioso]

Originally Posted by COYS

I think it depends on which team you follow, if your team are doing well to be in the Premiership and fighting for their lives then of course your not going to boo them are you?

But if they have international players in their team, have costs tens of millions of pounds, collect more money in wages per week than most fellas do in a year then if they aren’t putting in the required effort they deserve to be booed.

There’s no way I’d tolerate a footballer whose on £50,000 per week strolling around the pitch and putting in lacklustre performance when I’ve had to make financial sacrifices and struggled to be able to afford to watch them.

Well I wouldn't boo them, but I'd be pretty upset with the manager if he didn't do something about it. A very good example would be Morten Gamst Pedersen (Blackburn) and his past performances for Norway.

[ForeverBlue'86]

Originally Posted by COYS

I’ve booed Spurs players on plenty of occasions, and no doubt I’ll do it on plenty more occasions by the end of the season.

If you support a team who are challenging for the Premiership or other major trophies then you’d have no idea what it’s like to watch an entire team of player stroll around the pitch and give no effort whatsoever, but if you supported a team who consistently finished mid-table every season you’d know what other supporter have to go through.

After Spurs won the League Cup last season their Premier League for was terrible, they didn't want to know and managed to get thrashed by Birmingham and Newcastle - so they deserved to be booed.

Ashley Cole wasn’t booed because of that single mistake, but for a lot of supporters it was the straw that broke the camels back.

If anybody listened to Alan Green’s ‘Football Phone-In’ on Radio Five on Saturday evening at least a dozen England supporters called the show and explained why they booed Ashley Cole, and it’s because of his behaviour in the last few seasons away from the pitch

Mate Alan Green is the biggest khunt going - I'd give anything to give him a good shoeing, and the fans that phone in along with him. I know you don't like him, but would you agree that's a pathetic excuse booing him because of what he does away from the pitch?

Big contrast with our fans - Cheer Gerrard even when he's the worst on the pitch but boo Cole because of what he gets upto off it, I just find it extremely juvenile, and there's no need for it whatsoever. I've been saying the same thing well before this incident an all, speaking to other England/Chelsea fans about it, they reckon it all started going down slope after Euro 96.

[Celtic_Scouser]

Did you actually read all of what Gerrard said?

No need to get your panties in a twist Chavski; the headline is taken out of context.

Here is what Stevie actually said:

"Any supporter, when you pay money, you deserve to voice your opinion. But we need their support. If we're going to be successful in the future, we need them with us.

"It's not going to help Ashley and it's not going to help the team."

[ForeverBlue'86]

Originally Posted by Celtic_Scouser

Did you actually read all of what Gerrard said?

No need to get your panties in a twist Chavski; the headline is taken out of context.

Here is what Stevie actually said:

"Any supporter, when you pay money, you deserve to voice your opinion. But we need their support. If we're going to be successful in the future, we need them with us.

"It's not going to help Ashley and it's not going to help the team."

You actually think "Stevie" could give a lalalala, Lampard went and echoed the exact same thing he said too (Even after being booed himself), they're trying to save their own skins, whereas fair play to Ferdinand, he came out and looked disgusted with it.

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Each time Gerrard was asked the question he tried avoiding it and saying how great the fans were... only a lalalala like you would go and defend him because he's Gerrard.

[Celtic_Scouser]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

You actually think "Stevie" could give a lalalala, Lampard went and echoed the exact same thing he said too (Even after being booed himself), they're trying to save their own skins, whereas fair play to Ferdinand, he came out and looked disgusted with it.

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Each time Gerrard was asked the question he tried avoiding it and saying how great the fans were... only a lalalala like you would go and defend him because he's Gerrard.

The video only goes to reinforce my point. Thanks ****stain!

[COYS]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

I've been saying the same thing well before this incident an all, speaking to other England/Chelsea fans about it, they reckon it all started going down slope after Euro 96.

Ashley Cole wouldn’t have been booed by the England fans despite his mistake, if he was earning five grand a week and the admission was only £10 – that’s a fact.

Somebody posted this on another message forum I frequent and I agree entirely:

Originally Posted by Ubees

Well with football teams (club and national) nowadays treating fans as customers, fans have started to behave as customers. Rather than going along to support the team, they go along expecting entertainment and will show their displeasure if they don't get the entertainment they paid for

obviously the people booing weren't all prem fans. The people who should take some of the blame are the FA, Richard Scudamore and the other money men in the game.

They converted "supporters" into "customers" , is there any other business that expects it's customers not to complain???

[Anima Flux]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

You actually think "Stevie" could give a lalalala, Lampard went and echoed the exact same thing he said too (Even after being booed himself), they're trying to save their own skins, whereas fair play to Ferdinand, he came out and looked disgusted with it.

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Each time Gerrard was asked the question he tried avoiding it and saying how great the fans were... only a lalalala like you would go and defend him because he's Gerrard.

To be honest he really can't win, if he says "the fans are a disgrace" then he's going to get a lot of stick for it, if he says "the fans are fantastic" then he's avoiding the question or sucking up. He's a professional, and being in a press interview you've got to watch what you say, not just because of news paper reactions or fan reactions, but for the team reaction aswell. If he said "I don't care about Cole being booed, nothing to do with me" how do think the other players would take that? Not good for the morale in the camp really.

He did say he prefers to focus on the positive aswell.

The end of the interview, he said he's dissapointed and the other players are dissapointed, but he's pleased that 90,000 fans came to watch the game. He's calling it down the middle. Also, saying you've just got to get on with it and be a man is a pretty proffesional response.

[Scene Kid Oli]

i dont think that players should be booed, people need to realise how hard these guys work

[Dan]

If I was on £75,000 a week, I'd take anything anybody could say to me..

But it's not right to boo your players, however I can see the argument.. You pay £40+ for a match ticket, why can't you voice your opinion?..

But I think the best way to motivate the team is to get behind them, criticism is the job of the manager and coaches..

[MaschPotato]

Would this thread have been started if Gerrard hadnt said it? I think not.

But people would think differently if his ridiculous erroe had put them 1-0 ahead and won them the match. He's just fortunate we werent playing a very good team.

[ForeverBlue'86]

Originally Posted by MaschPotato

Would this thread have been started if Gerrard hadnt said it? I think not.

But people would think differently if his ridiculous erroe had put them 1-0 ahead and won them the match. He's just fortunate we werent playing a very good team.

Amazing how out of the opening thread post, you pick out the words "Steven Gerrard" and think it's all about him. Read it again - it's got lalalala all to do with Gerrard.

Lampard said was another who "said it", stop feeling hard done by.

[MaschPotato]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

Amazing how out of the opening thread post, you pick out the words "Steven Gerrard" and think it's all about him. Read it again - it's got lalalala all to do with Gerrard.

Lampard said was another who "said it", stop feeling hard done by.

i love Gerrard

[joegerrard]

me too...

[Celtic_Scouser]

I love Carragher more.