Who is the better diver?

[PaulieMM]

Originally Posted by portugalRONALDO7

ya well youre the one that said to get out of the past or get a life and you seem to constantly be on here

Let me get this straight your saying to me that you have a problem with me constantly on here?

Did you not read that I said I have a problem with someone constantly flaming?

How am I not getting out of the past?

[PaulieMM]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

I have to agree. That other guy does start s*** for no reason whatsoever. He and Matieo are about the same in that regard. I find it odd that they are both Portguese and both act the same................wonder if someone has two accounts.

Which two?


portugalRONALDO7 and Matieo? If thats what your saying I don't think Matieo would do that. I realize there are a lot of arguments between him and others but he's always been fair and good to me.

Sorry for the double post

[fitz15]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Not defending players for diving but I think people need to get over it. Diving happens big deal stop crying about it because it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Diving once or twice does not make you a diver, I do not agree with that assessment at all. Cheating is cheating but there is a difference between calling someone like Drogba a diver and saying that Thierry Henry is a diver.

So while playing in the outfield you have never fallen when you could have otherwise stayed upright? I find that hard to believe.

Also no biggie about responding to my posts, this is a mesage board

well to use arsene wengers logic if u kill someone once u are a killer. i wouldnt rate thierry henry on the same level as drogba for diving but he still is a diver. there are some players who dived early in their career and learned from that and dont dive any more, messi for example but in my opinion players who still dive to this day, even if it is only rare should still be classified as divers but obviously there is different categories of divers worst divers being the guys in original video, gerrard, drogba, ronaldo etc. and then uve players like henry who still dive but do it less often

[PaulieMM]

Many have said this before. Every team has divers. I'm sure there will be a proceeding post saying that Italy are the worst blah blah blah.

The only divers I have problems with are the ones that complain when they don't get the call.

If I disliked every diver I'd hate approximately half of the entire football world, maybe more.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by irishking15

well to use arsene wengers logic if u kill someone once u are a killer. i wouldnt rate thierry henry on the same level as drogba for diving but he still is a diver. there are some players who dived early in their career and learned from that and dont dive any more, messi for example but in my opinion players who still dive to this day, even if it is only rare should still be classified as divers but obviously there is different categories of divers worst divers being the guys in original video, gerrard, drogba, ronaldo etc. and then uve players like henry who still dive but do it less often

Again I guess we will have to agree to disagree because I do not classify Henry as a diver at all. The link that was post for Henry diving was not even a dive. He went down then got back up and had a word for the ref but there was no protest or arguing at all. People kill me when they say he dived because he went down and didn't even make a big deal of it.

Here is another video that someone posted saying it was a dive. In this video you would to be either blind, dumb, or stupid to not see that Ricardo got his foot. There are 2 different angles and on each angle you can clearly see that he tripped him and yet the person that captured this clip labels it a dive.

Erroneous clip of Henry supposedly diving.

I guess we just have different opinions of what diving is. To me diving is just like someone driving to the hole and calling foul for being hacked when it was a clean rip. (that is a reference to basketball in case you aren't familiar with the game). Or football (american) a wide receiver saying pass interference when the cornerback just made a good play on the ball.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by PaulieMM

Many have said this before. Every team has divers. I'm sure there will be a proceeding post saying that Italy are the worst blah blah blah.

The only divers I have problems with are the ones that complain when they don't get the call.

If I disliked every diver I'd hate approximately half of the entire football world, maybe more.

I've never understood why people like to single out Italy. I personally have seen more diving form Portugal than I have Italy. I can only think of a handful of times I would have called diving from Italy, but I can recall at least 3 or 4 a game from the Portugese.

[elementkid1021]

that video was almost a funny as this
YouTube - Del Piero imitating divers.

[Marius]

Originally Posted by Incendiere

C Ronaldo of course, no contest.

o dear. You're living in 2005 you muppet.

[soulblade3]

Originally Posted by Some guy....

Gerrards a diving ***** too... Not as bad as your average Italian, but hey!

Get over it because the referee ruled it was a penalty so technically it was a penalty even though it was a dive(im aussie). You should be looking ahead to 2010(if we qualify) than look back and think what we could have done in quarter finals etc. Lucas Neill did the wrong thing by giving Grosso the opportunity to fall over him so therefore it was Lucas Neill's fault.

[Some guy....]

Originally Posted by Marius

o dear. You're living in 2005 you muppet.

*cough* Manchester v Derby *cough*

Originally Posted by soulblade3

Get over it because the referee ruled it was a penalty so technically it was a penalty even though it was a dive(im aussie). You should be looking ahead to 2010(if we qualify) than look back and think what we could have done in quarter finals etc. Lucas Neill did the wrong thing by giving Grosso the opportunity to fall over him so therefore it was Lucas Neill's fault.

It wasn't Neill's fault mate, you're as bad as the Italians. I don't really think it matters, but it was a disgrace. It's not the fact we didn't go any further, it's just the way it happened.

[.DJ]

Toni 4 sure

[The Masterpiece]

Originally Posted by d1j

Toni 4 sure

you go dive with ur mommy

[soulblade3]

Originally Posted by Some guy....

*cough* Manchester v Derby *cough*



It wasn't Neill's fault mate, you're as bad as the Italians. I don't really think it matters, but it was a disgrace. It's not the fact we didn't go any further, it's just the way it happened.

Ive gotten over it and i admit it took a while but your still whinging.

[Adam11111]

Originally Posted by Scouser_Dave

Drogba is by far the worst diver i have seen

I think its Gerrard.

What a hypo he is...

Steven Gerrard, the hypocrite

[fitz15]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Again I guess we will have to agree to disagree because I do not classify Henry as a diver at all. The link that was post for Henry diving was not even a dive. He went down then got back up and had a word for the ref but there was no protest or arguing at all. People kill me when they say he dived because he went down and didn't even make a big deal of it.

Here is another video that someone posted saying it was a dive. In this video you would to be either blind, dumb, or stupid to not see that Ricardo got his foot. There are 2 different angles and on each angle you can clearly see that he tripped him and yet the person that captured this clip labels it a dive.

Erroneous clip of Henry supposedly diving.

I guess we just have different opinions of what diving is. To me diving is just like someone driving to the hole and calling foul for being hacked when it was a clean rip. (that is a reference to basketball in case you aren't familiar with the game). Or football (american) a wide receiver saying pass interference when the cornerback just made a good play on the ball.

just watch this clip and listen to the last 10 seconds that is my definition of a diver:YouTube - Henry Dives like a woman
yes he was clearly fouled but he tries to make it look worse then it was.


oh and by the way that dive against portugal if ronaldo did wat henry done everyone on this forum would be on here criticising him. henry looks like a muppet in that video, it possible is a penalty but there are plenty of players who would be more honest in that situation and stay on their feet as the contact wasnt really sufficient to bring henry down.
cant find any video clips but for example united v barca this season ferdinand slips when going over to eto'o, he clearly slides into him, its inside the box but eto'o stays on his feet. also last season united 1-1 chelsea i remember andy gray saying rooney's honesty cost united a penalty when drogba was pulling him back. not sayin either of these players havent dived either but its just example of where these players have been more honest then henry was there

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by irishking15

yes he was clearly fouled but he tries to make it look worse then it was.

Doesn't matter if he made it look worse than it was, a foul is a foul plain and simple. He could have made it look like bloody murder, the point is he WAS fouled and that is NOT diving.

oh and by the way that dive against portugal if ronaldo did wat henry done everyone on this forum would be on here criticising him. henry looks like a muppet in that video, it possible is a penalty but there are plenty of players who would be more honest in that situation and stay on their feet as the contact wasnt really sufficient to bring henry down.

Well I honestly don't care if Ronaldo would have been criticized because there are plenty of times when Cristiano made a meal of a simple tackle.

The contact isn't what brought Henry down, he was tripped plain and simple and you can see Ricardo's foot clearly trip him up. He tried to stay up and on his next step when his ankle rolled up he went down.

cant find any video clips but for example united v barca this season ferdinand slips when going over to eto'o, he clearly slides into him, its inside the box but eto'o stays on his feet. also last season united 1-1 chelsea i remember andy gray saying rooney's honesty cost united a penalty when drogba was pulling him back. not sayin either of these players havent dived either but its just example of where these players have been more honest then henry was there

Honest has zero to do with it. A foul is a foul plain and simple. If you can't see that then that is your fault. You can provide all the examples you want but those players react different and one situation does not make one player dishonest when compared to the other. As I said before, a foul is a foul.

[Matieo10]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

I have to agree. That other guy does start s*** for no reason whatsoever. He and Matieo are about the same in that regard. I find it odd that they are both Portguese and both act the same................wonder if someone has two accounts.

You wish there were two of me, don't you, you sick jerk

[WaffleMonkey]

Mostly Italians.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Matieo10

You wish there were two of me, don't you, you sick jerk

Quite the opposite actually. I wish there wasn't even one of you to be honest.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by WaffleMonkey

Mostly Italians.

....and that is based on what?

[fitz15]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Doesn't matter if he made it look worse than it was, a foul is a foul plain and simple. He could have made it look like bloody murder, the point is he WAS fouled and that is NOT diving.



Well I honestly don't care if Ronaldo would have been criticized because there are plenty of times when Cristiano made a meal of a simple tackle.

The contact isn't what brought Henry down, he was tripped plain and simple and you can see Ricardo's foot clearly trip him up. He tried to stay up and on his next step when his ankle rolled up he went down.



Honest has zero to do with it. A foul is a foul plain and simple. If you can't see that then that is your fault. You can provide all the examples you want but those players react different and one situation does not make one player dishonest when compared to the other. As I said before, a foul is a foul.

yes it was a foul but did u not listen to what the commentator said, puyol deserved a booking but henry tried to make it look worse then it was so puyol would get sent off. tricking the referee into thinking a player deserves to be sent off when really he doesnt that is cheating plain and simple.

and if u dont think the portugal one was a dive well i guess we will just have to "agree to disagree"

[Matieo10]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Quite the opposite actually. I wish there wasn't even one of you to be honest.

Were you born without humility or a sense of humour?



...or were your parents, cousins, relatives also really bad at comebacks?

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by irishking15

yes it was a foul but did u not listen to what the commentator said, puyol deserved a booking but henry tried to make it look worse then it was so puyol would get sent off. tricking the referee into thinking a player deserves to be sent off when really he doesnt that is cheating plain and simple.

and if u dont think the portugal one was a dive well i guess we will just have to "agree to disagree"

The commentator made a comment on his personal opinion. Just because the commentator thought Henry was trying to get someone sent off doesn't mean that is the case. If you agree with the commentator that is your perogative, but I just don't feel the same about it.

People seem to only make a deal when an attacking player goes down, but they never make a deal of the defender that rapes the attacker and gets away clean with no foul whatsoever.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Matieo10

Were you born without humility or a sense of humour?

This is something you should ask yourself.

...or were your parents, cousins, relatives also really bad at comebacks?

...and this is your comeback. Wow.

[fitz15]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

The commentator made a comment on his personal opinion. Just because the commentator thought Henry was trying to get someone sent off doesn't mean that is the case. If you agree with the commentator that is your perogative, but I just don't feel the same about it.

People seem to only make a deal when an attacking player goes down, but they never make a deal of the defender that rapes the attacker and gets away clean with no foul whatsoever.

well how else do u explain henry's actions, he was hit in the chest so why is he holding his face. yes it is a freekick so why doesnt he just accept that and take the freekick and get on with the game instead of pretending he got hit in the face trying to get puyol sent off.cant make it any more simple for you man
puyol elbowed him in the chest = freekick + yellow card
henry pretends he got hit in the face which wud make it a red card.
thats cheating no 2 ways about it