Derby VS Houstan Dynamo - Page 2

amenrah73 · 15-05-2008, 06:37 PM

To humor the OP.

I think Derby would win...just because they have more experience going up against quality opponants.

RevolutionMikE5 · 15-05-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Y R U so Chunky

If you are going by last year, the Dynamo were not the best team in MLS. Dc United was.

If you are going by this year, then the Dynamo are certainly not the best team in MLS.

They won the MLS cup, so I just used them. And how were DC the best team? Houston won the Cup.

Rukus44297 · 15-05-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoMessi19

They won the MLS cup, so I just used them. And how were DC the best team? Houston won the Cup.

Join in in this conversation Chelseablue and i were having about his exact question.

To put it in terms you may have once understood:

If Manchester United are the EPL Champions
&
(if they win) Portsmouth are the FA Cup Champions

Who's better?

DC won the Supporters Shield for best team in the league but Houston won the playoffs.

Were the NY Giants the best team of the season or did they just happen to win the right game at the right time against the best team of the season?

Y R U so Chunky · 15-05-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoMessi19

They won the MLS cup, so I just used them. And how were DC the best team? Houston won the Cup.

DC gained the most points throughout the season. Simple enough.

Scuba Steve · 15-05-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rukus44297

Join in in this conversation Chelseablue and i were having about his exact question.

To put it in terms you may have once understood:

If Manchester United are the EPL Champions
&
(if they win) Portsmouth are the FA Cup Champions

Who's better?

DC won the Supporters Shield for best team in the league but Houston won the playoffs.

Were the NY Giants the best team of the season or did they just happen to win the right game at the right time against the best team of the season?

Good example. Could not have phrased it better myself!

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Originally Posted by Y R U so Chunky

DC gained the most points throughout the season. Simple enough.

Wooo Hooo! This year we are going for the Anti -[Supporters] Shield! Working out well for us so far.

RTMFNP · 15-05-2008, 11:55 PM

Houston. Also, the best team in any league is usually the CHAMPIONS. Kinda hard to argue against that. As for this season, yea Houston is clearly not the best MLS team.

Spearson28 · 15-05-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hokiegooner

Well, maybe you guys [Europeans] would choose the American team if it were the Galaxy, but we know better. They have Becks and Donovan, and thats about it. They basically are lacking in every part of the field otherwise.

Were getting a little bored of Beckham over here in England until we have a national game, and even the commentators over here call it the mickey mouse league, i like the mls and my favourite team over there is columbus crew but i reckon derby will beat houston and if the mls was so good why are they playing friendlies during the season WHY???

510Meeze · 16-05-2008, 12:06 AM

If/when soccer hits the inner cities, it's over for everyone. Can you imagine a 6'11" 260 pound striker with 48" vertical and can run the 40 in 4.4?

Andrés · 16-05-2008, 12:17 AM

I didn't understand a word you just said.

Lazaros4 · 16-05-2008, 01:21 AM

dERBY

ChelseablueDCU26 · 16-05-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Spearson28

Were getting a little bored of Beckham over here in England until we have a national game, and even the commentators over here call it the mickey mouse league, i like the mls and my favourite team over there is columbus crew but i reckon derby will beat houston and if the mls was so good why are they playing friendlies during the season WHY???

Why Columbus

blalalahis thread is ridiculous

Y R U so Chunky · 16-05-2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RTMFNP

Also, the best team in any league is usually the CHAMPIONS.

No they are the champions, doesn't mean they were the best team though over the whole course of the season.

Scuba Steve · 16-05-2008, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Spearson28

Were getting a little bored of Beckham over here in England until we have a national game, and even the commentators over here call it the mickey mouse league, i like the mls and my favourite team over there is columbus crew but i reckon derby will beat houston and if the mls was so good why are they playing friendlies during the season WHY???

Thats not a valid point. Manchester United played a friendly against Saudi Arabia club AL Hilal on January 23rd of this year. Right smack dab in the middle of the season. And I am going to assume that United played the friendly for the same reasons that MLS teams play friendlies. Money, and exposure. Here is a link to an article about that friendly.

Manchester United vs. Al Hilal

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Originally Posted by Rumblerege

I didn't understand a word you just said.

He was referring to the guys height and weight, how high he can jump standing still, and how long it takes him to run 40 yards. Those are usually used by American football scouts when they are looking at new players. But the comment is based on how the best athletes in America don't go to play football first. They go to basketball, or American football, or baseball before football. Especially in the inner cities. He believes [and most in this country do], that America will become a force in the world's view once those types of athletes start to play football, and see the game as a way out of poverty and such. [Similar to the reasons why people in South America and Africa pick up the game. Its their way out of poverty in most cases.]

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Originally Posted by Y R U so Chunky

No they are the champions, doesn't mean they were the best team though over the whole course of the season.

In a playoff system, this is correct. Over 30 games last season DC United were the best team. That guy can't argue that point.

RTMFNP · 16-05-2008, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Y R U so Chunky

No they are the champions, doesn't mean they were the best team though over the whole course of the season.

So you would say another team is better than the champs just because they won a few more games in April and May? If they were the better team they would have won the championship.

I could understand if Houston was 10 or 15 points behind, and made a magical run in the playoffs. They were only 3 points behind the MLS leader. Houston was one of the best teams over the whole course of the season, and they won the title.

RTMFNP · 16-05-2008, 04:16 AM

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In a playoff system, this is correct. Over 30 games last season DC United were the best team. That guy can't argue that point.

I will anyway. In your scenario, a team is given no credit for tourney play. You can't just stop counting when the regualer season ends because it's not over. Sure DC had 3 more regular season points than Houston. But, DC didn't win any games after that, and Houston won 3 more. Does Houston get no credit for that? Is DC not penalized for tanking in the playoffs???

Hypothetically, let assign points for playoff performance.

Houston goes from 52 to 61
DC United goes from 55 to 56
New England goes from 43 to 50
Chivas USA goes from 53 to 54

Y R U so Chunky · 16-05-2008, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RTMFNP

So you would say another team is better than the champs just because they won a few more games in April and May? If they were the better team they would have won the championship.

I could understand if Houston was 10 or 15 points behind, and made a magical run in the playoffs. They were only 3 points behind the MLS leader. Houston was one of the best teams over the whole course of the season, and they won the title.

The playoffs don't prove who the best team was over the course of the season. The regular season ended and DC were the proven best team with an equal amount of games played for every team throughout the league.

And you can't add on playoff games and the points they would have gotten because not every playoff team played the same amount of games in the playoffs.

Y R U so Chunky · 16-05-2008, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RTMFNP

Does Houston get no credit for that?

What are you talking about? No credit?

They are labled the MLS Cup Champions and get a spot in the CONCACAF Champions League!! That seems like good enough credit to me.

Yackapo Fifa · 16-05-2008, 04:45 AM

Derby would kill them lol

SubaruAdrian · 16-05-2008, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RTMFNP

I will anyway. In your scenario, a team is given no credit for tourney play. You can't just stop counting when the regualer season ends because it's not over. Sure DC had 3 more regular season points than Houston. But, DC didn't win any games after that, and Houston won 3 more. Does Houston get no credit for that? Is DC not penalized for tanking in the playoffs???

Hypothetically, let assign points for playoff performance.

Houston goes from 52 to 61
DC United goes from 55 to 56
New England goes from 43 to 50
Chivas USA goes from 53 to 54

You're dead wrong, spanky. We're talking single elimination playoff here.. It by NO MEANS determines the best team. If that were the case you could argue that Portsmouth or Cardiff (depending on who wins) are a better team than Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and anyone else they were magically able to upset.

RTMFNP · 16-05-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Y R U so Chunky

The playoffs don't prove who the best team was over the course of the season. The regular season ended and DC were the proven best team with an equal amount of games played for every team throughout the league.

And you can't add on playoff games and the points they would have gotten because not every playoff team played the same amount of games in the playoffs.

You know why they don't play an equal amount of games? Because the best teams are in it longer, thus play more games. If If a team doens't get to play as many games, it's their own fault. But anyway that's why I said Hypothetically. I know that's not the way it works.

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Originally Posted by Y R U so Chunky

What are you talking about? No credit?

They are labled the MLS Cup Champions and get a spot in the CONCACAF Champions League!! That seems like good enough credit to me.

I was saying that the other poster was giving them no credit.

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Originally Posted by SubaruAdrian

You're dead wrong, spanky. We're talking single elimination playoff here.. It by NO MEANS determines the best team. If that were the case you could argue that Portsmouth or Cardiff (depending on who wins) are a better team than Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and anyone else they were magically able to upset.

But in the MLS Houston is a top team. They more like a Chelsea or ManU in the MLS, more than they are a Portsmouth type team. As, I mentioned they were 3rd in regular season points, not some bottom dweller who went on a magical run.

In England, the cup games are played along side the EPL. There are two seperate champions. In MLS, the league play and MLS cup play are used together to determine champions. That's a big difference. In essence, MLS regular season is kinda like a big qualifier for the MLS cup. There is no reward leading in regular season points, other than a spot in the playoffs. You just can't compare MLS to EPL the two leagues are run very differently.

magicsven101 · 16-05-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoMessi19

Worst team in England's top division vs the best team in MLS. Who would win if they played each other?

The people that decide to stay at home and watch a golf tournament on television.

SubaruAdrian · 16-05-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RTMFNP

In England, the cup games are played along side the EPL. There are two seperate champions. In MLS, the league play and MLS cup play are used together to determine champions. That's a big difference. In essence, MLS regular season is kinda like a big qualifier for the MLS cup. There is no reward leading in regular season points, other than a spot in the playoffs. You just can't compare MLS to EPL the two leagues are run very differently.

Again, wrong. There is the Supporter's Shield for the points leader and as far as I am concerned the more valid trophy of the two.

Y R U so Chunky · 16-05-2008, 06:22 PM

No offense, but obviously he isn't too informed about the league.

But hey, if he wants to think the MLS Cup champs are the best team, then let him.

M1ZZ0U · 16-05-2008, 06:26 PM

Let this lalalalalalaed thread die already.

ChelseablueDCU26 · 16-05-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SubaruAdrian

Again, wrong. There is the Supporter's Shield for the points leader and as far as I am concerned the more valid trophy of the two.

As well as entry to continental competition.

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15-05-2008, 11:55 PM	#31 (permalink)
RTMFNP Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 38	Houston. Also, the best team in any league is usually the CHAMPIONS. Kinda hard to argue against that. As for this season, yea Houston is clearly not the best MLS team.

16-05-2008, 01:21 AM	#35 (permalink)
Lazaros4 Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 32	dERBY

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Yackapo Fifa Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 144	Derby would kill them lol