Have Ronaldo and Messi reached that level......

Scene Kid Oli · 07-05-2008, 09:20 PM

Do you think that Ronaldo and Messi have reached the level of football that fans of football have known Maradona and Pele for? The reason i have started this thread is because i was having a little argument with my friend today about the level of Messi and Ronaldo. Messi's best goal in my opinion was the goal against getafe i think it was, was very similar to a goal that marradona scored whilst playing for Argentina. anyone who wants to watch the video of the goals side by side can look here

YouTube - Messi VS Maradona

Ronaldo has also produced moments of magic that has left the world of football looking with envy at his ability, and this has been shown by the huge pricetag he has been given by Manchester United.

So..your opinions.

Have Ronaldo and Messi reached the level of Pele and Maradona? will they ever reach it? or if you think they have surpassed it, discuss this too

Scene Kid Oli · 07-05-2008, 09:31 PM

just a note to say

when you vote on the poll, take time to post, thankyou

p.s sorry about the double post

fitz15 · 07-05-2008, 09:35 PM

hard to say because the game isnt really the same as it was before but i think messi certainly is close if not already at that level. ronaldo has a long way to go yet, needs to do a bit of maturing which i think i saw glimpses of in the 2nd barca game because when he went to ground he would quickly get bck up and try and win it bck and he actually worked hard (for his standards) to keep the ball and win it back for us which he has never done before

COYS · 07-05-2008, 09:36 PM

No.

Not yet anyway. I'm not old enough to remember Pele but I remember Maradona and he's the best I've seen in the last twenty years without question.

Maybe in ten or fifteen years they might be but not yet, not by a long way.

RevolutionMikE5 · 07-05-2008, 09:41 PM

they'll never be like them.

zzwampen · 07-05-2008, 09:41 PM

nah...i mean even zidane or ronaldo wasn't considered to be as good as they were and they won every damn award there is...but if ronaldo or messi do what they did this/last season 5 more seasons and win a couple of championships for portugal/argentina and some league and champions league titles for man united/barca they might be close...

but zidane did all this but still isn't considered to be as good as maradona and pele...not far from it though...

MaschPotato · 07-05-2008, 09:42 PM

AGree with COYS...they're good but nowhere near that good...whoever voted yes is an idiot

RevolutionMikE5 · 07-05-2008, 09:43 PM

they are not as good as zidane, zidane is not as good as them, therefore they are not as good as pele and maradona.

Rukus44297 · 07-05-2008, 09:43 PM

Domestically they are young but quite dominant.

Internationally they haven't been there yet with the exception of Portugal's finals loss to Greece last Euro's.

They both would need the next World Cup. By WC2014 Ronaldo will be almost 30.

So what you're asking is if the Italians, English, French and Brazilians think the next 3 WC's will go to Portugal and Argentina. My guess is they won't think so.

Scene Kid Oli · 07-05-2008, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaschPotato

AGree with COYS...they're good but nowhere near that good...whoever voted yes is an idiot

we cant find this out as the person who did didnt leave a comment.

thats why i requested people who vote please comment

RevolutionMikE5 · 07-05-2008, 09:45 PM

good idea.

JroDBraSiL · 07-05-2008, 09:47 PM

no and they never will.

Matieo10 · 07-05-2008, 09:55 PM

No. Back to what zzwampfen had said, Ronaldo and Zidane were the pinnacle of my generation, and they still haven't been recognized by the world as a whole to be better than Pele/Maradona.

Ronaldo will probably never be as good as Eusebio, unless he brings the small country of Portugal glory in the future (near future in Euro 200

, and I doubt Messi will ever touch what Diego Maradonna did with club (Napoli) and country.

Forget potential at this point, Ronaldo and Messi aren't even close to being the best of this generation, yet best 'ever'. But Ronaldo is getting better every year, and Messi is...well he can almost play a full season, so that's porgression I guess

RevolutionMikE5 · 07-05-2008, 09:56 PM

he hasen't played a full season.

ForeverBlue'86 · 07-05-2008, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matieo10

No. Back to what zzwampfen had said, Ronaldo and Zidane were the pinnacle of my generation, and they still haven't been recognized by the world as a whole to be better than Pele/Maradona.

Ronaldo will probably never be as good as Eusebio, unless he brings the small country of Portugal glory in the future (near future in Euro 200

, and I doubt Messi will ever touch what Diego Maradonna did with club (Napoli) and country.

Forget potential at this point, Ronaldo and Messi aren't even close to being the best of this generation, yet best 'ever'. But Ronaldo is getting better every year, and Messi is...well he can almost play a full season, so that's porgression I guess

I think we'll make better judgment of that when Messi's 22, when C.Ronaldo started to play into the level he's at night (And yet most people still think he's inferior to little old Messi

).

As far as i'm concerned, Zidane and Ronaldo are right up there with Maradona - as for Pele, most brazilians believe Garrincha was better, Pele just more popular, so in a way was Garrincha better than Maradona?

It's all bollox, Messi has the potential to eclipse the lot of them though, the talent he has is limitless, and he's fulfulling it each and every seasons, injuries or no injuries.

RevolutionMikE5 · 07-05-2008, 09:59 PM

Who is Garrincha?

Matieo10 · 07-05-2008, 10:03 PM

sure there. I can say the same for Ronaldo, playing a full season in top league of football is a testament to being a professional and a great athlete which is the basis of any sport. But dominating, breaking records in the modern era of football is a testament to a great great player, and best in the world atm.

"but Ronaldo doesn't play against the big teams!!!"

yeah, dominating the group stages of the champions league, and against french champions Lyon, and the best team in Italy at the time in Roma...

"but Ronaldo doesn't do it in the prem!!"

I suppose roughing up every team in the league except Chelsea must not do it

But hey, Messi can do it? let's what happens in this second half of El Clasico, Messi boy has alot of catching up to do.

I do agree...I consider Zidane the best of all time, and Ronaldo being one of the best strikers if not the best to ever live aswell.

zzwampen · 07-05-2008, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeoMessi19

Who is Garrincha?

one of the best dribblers ever

very underrated...probably the second best brazilian ever...

he's got a swedish son and grandson btw

Weather130 · 07-05-2008, 10:08 PM

They could reach that level if they play a full injury free career. It will take a lot of work and deadication to be that good. They would have to play every season at 100% to get there. It is possible but unlikely and the game is quite different as well.

RevolutionMikE5 · 07-05-2008, 10:08 PM

Never heard of him, till now.

zzwampen · 07-05-2008, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeoMessi19

Never heard of him, till now.

then now you know more about the wonderful sport that is football

RevolutionMikE5 · 07-05-2008, 10:15 PM

Thank you, very much.

Sumo · 07-05-2008, 10:17 PM

Ronaldo yes, Messi no.

RevolutionMikE5 · 07-05-2008, 10:18 PM

You support United then, right?

MaschPotato · 07-05-2008, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumo0506

Ronaldo yes, Messi no.

Messi is bettter than ronaldo

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Yes , these guys are immense	5	9.62%
No, but they could do	32	61.54%
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At that level? They have completly passed it	4	7.69%
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07-05-2008, 09:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
Scene Kid Oli Elite Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Stretford, Greater Manchester Gender: Male Posts: 6,252 Blog Entries: 1	Have Ronaldo and Messi reached that level...... Do you think that Ronaldo and Messi have reached the level of football that fans of football have known Maradona and Pele for? The reason i have started this thread is because i was having a little argument with my friend today about the level of Messi and Ronaldo. Messi's best goal in my opinion was the goal against getafe i think it was, was very similar to a goal that marradona scored whilst playing for Argentina. anyone who wants to watch the video of the goals side by side can look here YouTube - Messi VS Maradona Ronaldo has also produced moments of magic that has left the world of football looking with envy at his ability, and this has been shown by the huge pricetag he has been given by Manchester United. So..your opinions. Have Ronaldo and Messi reached the level of Pele and Maradona? will they ever reach it? or if you think they have surpassed it, discuss this too __________________ Manchester United Football Club

07-05-2008, 09:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Scene Kid Oli Elite Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Stretford, Greater Manchester Gender: Male Posts: 6,252 Blog Entries: 1	just a note to say when you vote on the poll, take time to post, thankyou p.s sorry about the double post __________________ Manchester United Football Club

07-05-2008, 09:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
fitz15 Forum Junkie Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 18 Posts: 3,900	hard to say because the game isnt really the same as it was before but i think messi certainly is close if not already at that level. ronaldo has a long way to go yet, needs to do a bit of maturing which i think i saw glimpses of in the 2nd barca game because when he went to ground he would quickly get bck up and try and win it bck and he actually worked hard (for his standards) to keep the ball and win it back for us which he has never done before __________________ Thanks Emo_Pinata

07-05-2008, 09:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
zzwampen EA Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 15,649	nah...i mean even zidane or ronaldo wasn't considered to be as good as they were and they won every damn award there is...but if ronaldo or messi do what they did this/last season 5 more seasons and win a couple of championships for portugal/argentina and some league and champions league titles for man united/barca they might be close... but zidane did all this but still isn't considered to be as good as maradona and pele...not far from it though... __________________ What a game...

07-05-2008, 09:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
COYS Real Football Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 30 Gender: Male Posts: 7,935	No. Not yet anyway. I'm not old enough to remember Pele but I remember Maradona and he's the best I've seen in the last twenty years without question. Maybe in ten or fifteen years they might be but not yet, not by a long way.

07-05-2008, 09:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
RevolutionMikE5 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sitting on my computer chair chomping on gold fish. Age: 15 Posts: 4,741 Blog Entries: 18	they'll never be like them.

07-05-2008, 09:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
MaschPotato EA Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Age: 19 Gender: Male Posts: 15,457	AGree with COYS...they're good but nowhere near that good...whoever voted yes is an idiot

07-05-2008, 09:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
RevolutionMikE5 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sitting on my computer chair chomping on gold fish. Age: 15 Posts: 4,741 Blog Entries: 18	they are not as good as zidane, zidane is not as good as them, therefore they are not as good as pele and maradona.

07-05-2008, 09:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rukus44297 Forum Guru Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chicago, IL. USA Age: 31 Posts: 1,548	Domestically they are young but quite dominant. Internationally they haven't been there yet with the exception of Portugal's finals loss to Greece last Euro's. They both would need the next World Cup. By WC2014 Ronaldo will be almost 30. So what you're asking is if the Italians, English, French and Brazilians think the next 3 WC's will go to Portugal and Argentina. My guess is they won't think so. __________________ Play Fifa My Way

07-05-2008, 09:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
RevolutionMikE5 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sitting on my computer chair chomping on gold fish. Age: 15 Posts: 4,741 Blog Entries: 18	good idea.

07-05-2008, 09:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
JroDBraSiL Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Rio De Janeiro Gender: Male Posts: 615	no and they never will. __________________ PSN: JroDBraSiL

07-05-2008, 09:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Matieo10 EA Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Estádio do Dragão Gender: Private Posts: 18,956 Blog Entries: 3	No. Back to what zzwampfen had said, Ronaldo and Zidane were the pinnacle of my generation, and they still haven't been recognized by the world as a whole to be better than Pele/Maradona. Ronaldo will probably never be as good as Eusebio, unless he brings the small country of Portugal glory in the future (near future in Euro 200, and I doubt Messi will ever touch what Diego Maradonna did with club (Napoli) and country. Forget potential at this point, Ronaldo and Messi aren't even close to being the best of this generation, yet best 'ever'. But Ronaldo is getting better every year, and Messi is...well he can almost play a full season, so that's porgression I guess __________________ Wir trauern um Robert Enke \| 24.08.77 - 10.11.09 RIP

07-05-2008, 09:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
RevolutionMikE5 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sitting on my computer chair chomping on gold fish. Age: 15 Posts: 4,741 Blog Entries: 18	he hasen't played a full season.

07-05-2008, 09:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
RevolutionMikE5 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sitting on my computer chair chomping on gold fish. Age: 15 Posts: 4,741 Blog Entries: 18	Who is Garrincha?

07-05-2008, 10:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
Matieo10 EA Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Estádio do Dragão Gender: Private Posts: 18,956 Blog Entries: 3	sure there. I can say the same for Ronaldo, playing a full season in top league of football is a testament to being a professional and a great athlete which is the basis of any sport. But dominating, breaking records in the modern era of football is a testament to a great great player, and best in the world atm. "but Ronaldo doesn't play against the big teams!!!" yeah, dominating the group stages of the champions league, and against french champions Lyon, and the best team in Italy at the time in Roma... "but Ronaldo doesn't do it in the prem!!" I suppose roughing up every team in the league except Chelsea must not do it But hey, Messi can do it? let's what happens in this second half of El Clasico, Messi boy has alot of catching up to do. I do agree...I consider Zidane the best of all time, and Ronaldo being one of the best strikers if not the best to ever live aswell. __________________ Wir trauern um Robert Enke \| 24.08.77 - 10.11.09 RIP

07-05-2008, 10:08 PM	#19 (permalink)
Weather130 Elite Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: State College, PA USA Age: 21 Gender: Male Posts: 5,541	They could reach that level if they play a full injury free career. It will take a lot of work and deadication to be that good. They would have to play every season at 100% to get there. It is possible but unlikely and the game is quite different as well.

07-05-2008, 10:08 PM	#20 (permalink)
RevolutionMikE5 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sitting on my computer chair chomping on gold fish. Age: 15 Posts: 4,741 Blog Entries: 18	Never heard of him, till now.

07-05-2008, 10:15 PM	#22 (permalink)
RevolutionMikE5 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sitting on my computer chair chomping on gold fish. Age: 15 Posts: 4,741 Blog Entries: 18	Thank you, very much.

07-05-2008, 10:17 PM	#23 (permalink)
Sumo EA Veteran Join Date: Jun 2005 Gender: Private Posts: 17,535	Ronaldo yes, Messi no.

07-05-2008, 10:18 PM	#24 (permalink)
RevolutionMikE5 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sitting on my computer chair chomping on gold fish. Age: 15 Posts: 4,741 Blog Entries: 18	You support United then, right?