Have Ronaldo and Messi reached that level...... - Page 9

BarakatTreka · 12-05-2008, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

A big game is a game that actually has a key moment in the clubs season, and to be honest the only games that Messi has been part of that would carry that meaning would be the knockout games in the CL in which he was a factor in only 2 of the 4 games because the season they won he was not even part of the run in.

Well if Messi hasnt played in many "BIG" games then you cant judge him!!! So what is the meaning of the question of "who many BIG games did he perform in"? I would like for you to answer that one for Ronaldo, please!

BarakatTreka · 12-05-2008, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

People keep talking about Messi and big games but the fact is he hasn't really done anything that Cristiano hasn't done.

Has Ronaldo won the CL yet? Has Ronaldo dribbled from half way and score? Has Ronaldo scored a hatrick against a big rival?

AriseForLife · 12-05-2008, 03:04 AM

I haven't judged him. I said he can't be considered a better performer in big games because he hasn't been in any big games other than the El Classico and those games haven't really held any meaning other than to the clubs followers for quite some time.

I never said Cris performed better than Messi in big games. I have just said all along that people can't say that Messi is better than Cris in big games.

I don't follow Cristiano Ronaldo so I will honestly say that I can't count his games because I hate Manchester United and don't follow them at all.

AriseForLife · 12-05-2008, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BarakatTreka

Has Ronaldo won the CL yet? Has Ronaldo dribbled from half way and score? Has Ronaldo scored a hatrick against a big rival?

Messi only won a CL because he was on the team that happened to make it to the final. He played in 6 games and scored a single goal so don't make it seem like Messi had anything to do with Barca winning the CL. He did not.

What does dribbling from halfway against Getafe, or scoring a hat-trick have to do with anything? Has Messi ever scored 20 goals in a season, has Messi ever lead the league in goals scored? The answers to those questions are no and they have absolutely nothing to do with anything.

He's never scored a hat-trick against Arsenal but he was huge in both games against us this season and is one of the reasons that United were able to draw one game and win the other game.

BarakatTreka · 12-05-2008, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

I haven't judged him. I said he can't be considered a better performer in big games because he hasn't been in any big games other than the El Classico and those games haven't really held any meaning other than to the clubs followers for quite some time.

I never said Cris performed better than Messi in big games. I have just said all along that people can't say that Messi is better than Cris in big games.

I don't follow Cristiano Ronaldo so I will honestly say that I can't count his games because I hate Manchester United and don't follow them at all.

I dont remember saying anything about BIG games for Messi either! I was just arguing with Matieo about the fact that he said Messi has only impressed in the Madrid match which he scored a hattrick!! He has performed in more matches, i guess Mateio doesnt watch much Barca games! And you have mentioned that i am a big Messi fanboy, but let me tell you
1)Im not a Barca supporter nor a Argentina supporter (like them, but Im not a real fan)
2)I more of a ManU supporter than Barca supporter
3)I dont have anything on my avatar or username suggesting that Im in love with Messi as Mateio here!
4)I like Ronaldo. Messi and Ronaldo are my favorite players in the world, just like Messi a little more (anything wrong with that?)

BarakatTreka · 12-05-2008, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Messi only won a CL because he was on the team that happened to make it to the final. He played in 6 games and scored a single goal so don't make it seem like Messi had anything to do with Barca winning the CL. He did not.

What does dribbling from halfway against Getafe, or scoring a hat-trick have to do with anything? Has Messi ever scored 20 goals in a season, has Messi ever lead the league in goals scored? The answers to those questions are no and they have absolutely nothing to do with anything.

He's never scored a hat-trick against Arsenal but he was huge in both games against us this season and is one of the reasons that United were able to draw one game and win the other game.

Those statements were somewhat sarcastic because you said "Messi hasn't done anything that Cristiano hasn't done."

AriseForLife · 12-05-2008, 03:30 AM

Theres nothing wrong with liking Messi a little more, a lot more, or whatever. I only make comments about Messi when it seems like people are giving the youngster way more credit than he deserves.

One thing I would find really interesting and I am will to bet money, is that 50% of the people on this board (at least) that like Messi only like him because they have played a FIFA video game. I think most people that are enamored by him have never seen Barca actually play a game or Messi for that matter, and have all these thigns to say about him because they watched Youtube or something.

BarakatTreka · 12-05-2008, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Theres nothing wrong with liking Messi a little more, a lot more, or whatever. I only make comments about Messi when it seems like people are giving the youngster way more credit than he deserves.

One thing I would find really interesting and I am will to bet money, is that 50% of the people on this board (at least) that like Messi only like him because they have played a FIFA video game. I think most people that are enamored by him have never seen Barca actually play a game or Messi for that matter, and have all these thigns to say about him because they watched Youtube or something.

Dont know why anyone would like him because of a video game anyway!! The latest FIFA game I have is FIFA 07 and he was ranked worse than Gujonhsen (sp)!!!!

den525player · 12-05-2008, 05:26 AM

i don't like the fact that pele and maradona is now classed us the untouchables. they were great players but why can't anyone be as good or better than them? players like zidane has had more influence then maradona for club and country.

AriseForLife · 12-05-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by den525player

players like zidane has had more influence then maradona for club and country.

I have already said numerous times that I feel Zidane is better than Maradona and more influential, but as usual people are stuck on Maradona and Pele as the end all be all of football.

den525player · 12-05-2008, 10:59 AM

the more people keep saying maradona and pele are the greatest ever, the more i think they are over rated!

COYS · 12-05-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by den525player

the more people keep saying maradona and pele are the greatest ever, the more i think they are over rated!

I specifically remember you stating a short while ago that you can’t pass judgement on players that you haven’t actually seen play because you have to rely on other peoples accounts or hearsay, so surely by you saying that you think Pele or Maradona might have been overrated your going against what you originally said? What’s brought on this change of mind?

zzwampen · 12-05-2008, 05:56 PM

he always say things like this...if he hasn't watched the player he's overrated

Deco-CFC-94 · 12-05-2008, 05:59 PM

the willl never reach level of Jimmy Johnstone. (THE BEST WINGER THE WORLD HAS SEEN)

COYS · 12-05-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by den525player

players like zidane has had more influence then maradona for club and country.

You’re entitled to you opinion but there’s absolutely no way I agree with that.

From what I can remember Maradona almost singlehandedly propelled Argentina towards winning the Mexico86 World Cup, it’s pretty difficult to overstate the impact he had on both the Argentina and Napoli teams that he played for.

I'm not saying that Zidane wasn't a great player because of course he was but he had the luxury of being surrounded by other world-class players for both club and country, or certainly more of them than Maradona did.

smeltzerinho · 12-05-2008, 06:05 PM

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Maradona almost singlehandedly propelled Argentina towards winning the Mexico86 World Cup,

just about to say that.

zidane was great. maradona is a legend. unstoppable in the 80s.

ForeverBlue'86 · 12-05-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by COYS

You’re entitled to you opinion but there’s absolutely no way I agree with that.

From what I can remember Maradona almost singlehandedly propelled Argentina towards winning the Mexico86 World Cup, it’s pretty difficult to overstate the impact he had on both the Argentina and Napoli teams that he played for.

I'm not saying that Zidane wasn't a great player because of course he was but he had the luxury of being surrounded by other world-class players for both club and country, or certainly more of them than Maradona did.

Yep agree with that, and, very off topic & pointless, he was mentor to Gianfranco Zola who succeeded him at Napoli.

den525player · 13-05-2008, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by COYS

I specifically remember you stating a short while ago that you can’t pass judgement on players that you haven’t actually seen play because you have to rely on other peoples accounts or hearsay, so surely by you saying that you think Pele or Maradona might have been overrated your going against what you originally said? What’s brought on this change of mind?

i don't think it is a change of mind. and yes i never watched a live game of maradona or pele just footages and documentary. i just don't like the fact that no one can ever be better than those 2 players. Which would sometimes make them slightly over rated imo. They are great but i don't think they are so far ahead of everyone else. for example the fifa player of the century... maradona got 53% of the vote, pele 18%, eusebio 6% and baggio 5%. the rest were 1%.

i heard that most brazilians regard Garrincha as a better player than pele.

at the end of the day i just don't think the gap between those 2 are as big as what everyone was saying.

i would also like to say that most people judged maradona and pele through the world cup performances, which today the world cup is nowhere near the best or competitive competition anymore.

ForeverBlue'86 · 13-05-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by den525player

i don't think it is a change of mind. and yes i never watched a live game of maradona or pele just footages and documentary. i just don't like the fact that no one can ever be better than those 2 players. Which would sometimes make them slightly over rated imo. They are great but i don't think they are so far ahead of everyone else. for example the fifa player of the century... maradona got 53% of the vote, pele 18%, eusebio 6% and baggio 5%. the rest were 1%.

i heard that most brazilians regard Garrincha as a better player than pele.

at the end of the day i just don't think the gap between those 2 are as big as what everyone was saying.

i would also like to say that most people judged maradona and pele through the world cup performances, which today the world cup is nowhere near the best or competitive competition anymore.

Since when?

RevolutionMikE5 · 13-05-2008, 11:31 AM

It is the best, but I agree with the second part.

smeltzerinho · 13-05-2008, 11:31 AM

since when he became a champion's league fanboy

smeltzerinho · 13-05-2008, 11:32 AM

yeah, but NOWHERE NEAR? come on

RevolutionMikE5 · 13-05-2008, 11:34 AM

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since when he became a champion's league fanboy

who?

smeltzerinho · 13-05-2008, 11:43 AM

Den

who thinks Maradona, Pele and the World Cup are overated and Ronaldo is better than all three

ForeverBlue'86 · 13-05-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by smeltzerinho27

Den

who thinks Maradona, Pele and the World Cup are overated and Ronaldo is better than all three

More Matieo than Den, but i'm sure he'll manage to pull some statistics out his ar5e to "prove" it... innit?

View Poll Results: Have Ronaldo and Messi reached the level of Pele and Maradona
Yes , these guys are immense	5	9.62%
No, but they could do	32	61.54%
No, they will never be at that level	16	30.77%
At that level? They have completly passed it	4	7.69%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

12-05-2008, 05:26 AM	#209 (permalink)
den525player EA Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Gender: Male Posts: 12,250	i don't like the fact that pele and maradona is now classed us the untouchables. they were great players but why can't anyone be as good or better than them? players like zidane has had more influence then maradona for club and country. __________________ Man Utd Highlights Manchester United MOTD 2009/10 Stevie Gerrard training as a kid

12-05-2008, 10:59 AM	#211 (permalink)
den525player EA Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Gender: Male Posts: 12,250	the more people keep saying maradona and pele are the greatest ever, the more i think they are over rated! __________________ Man Utd Highlights Manchester United MOTD 2009/10 Stevie Gerrard training as a kid

12-05-2008, 05:56 PM	#213 (permalink)
zzwampen EA Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 15,649	he always say things like this...if he hasn't watched the player he's overrated __________________ What a game...

13-05-2008, 11:31 AM	#221 (permalink)
smeltzerinho Festive know-it-all Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your face Gender: Male Posts: 20,399	since when he became a champion's league fanboy __________________ Rutter Out

12-05-2008, 03:04 AM	#203 (permalink)
AriseForLife Elite Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The United States Posts: 8,888	I haven't judged him. I said he can't be considered a better performer in big games because he hasn't been in any big games other than the El Classico and those games haven't really held any meaning other than to the clubs followers for quite some time. I never said Cris performed better than Messi in big games. I have just said all along that people can't say that Messi is better than Cris in big games. I don't follow Cristiano Ronaldo so I will honestly say that I can't count his games because I hate Manchester United and don't follow them at all.

12-05-2008, 03:30 AM	#207 (permalink)
AriseForLife Elite Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The United States Posts: 8,888	Theres nothing wrong with liking Messi a little more, a lot more, or whatever. I only make comments about Messi when it seems like people are giving the youngster way more credit than he deserves. One thing I would find really interesting and I am will to bet money, is that 50% of the people on this board (at least) that like Messi only like him because they have played a FIFA video game. I think most people that are enamored by him have never seen Barca actually play a game or Messi for that matter, and have all these thigns to say about him because they watched Youtube or something.

13-05-2008, 11:31 AM	#220 (permalink)
RevolutionMikE5 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sitting on my computer chair chomping on gold fish. Age: 15 Posts: 4,741 Blog Entries: 18	It is the best, but I agree with the second part.

13-05-2008, 11:32 AM	#222 (permalink)
smeltzerinho Festive know-it-all Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your face Gender: Male Posts: 20,399	yeah, but NOWHERE NEAR? come on __________________ Rutter Out

13-05-2008, 11:43 AM	#224 (permalink)
smeltzerinho Festive know-it-all Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your face Gender: Male Posts: 20,399	Den who thinks Maradona, Pele and the World Cup are overated and Ronaldo is better than all three __________________ Rutter Out