Have Ronaldo and Messi reached that level...... - Page 2

Matieo10 · 07-05-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoMessi19

You support United then, right?

Why would you say that

RevolutionMikE5 · 07-05-2008, 10:21 PM

Cause the Messi vs Ronaldo topic is full of bias.

Man United supports/Portuguesse people- "Ronaldo is better"

Liverpool,Barca supporters,Ronaldo haters and Argentine people say Messi is better.

But even though more people from Liverpool,Barca ect hate Ronaldo it evens out because there are so many Man United supporters.

Rgmonster · 07-05-2008, 10:24 PM

They've both got a lot to prove, but have massive potential.

RevolutionMikE5 · 07-05-2008, 10:25 PM

obviously.

.DJ · 07-05-2008, 11:01 PM

nope not yet. there time will come i think. They have the potential

mustangt1255 · 07-05-2008, 11:43 PM

leomessi you have more pointless posts than anybody i have ever seen on any forum.

Matieo10 · 08-05-2008, 12:25 AM

I agree.

Tawton9 · 08-05-2008, 12:30 AM

He has over 2,000 posts since February.

He spams to get attention and creates pointless lalalala..He even made a poll asking people who he should support.

AriseForLife · 08-05-2008, 12:31 AM

Messi - No

Cristiano - No

Pointless to even think they will ever achieve that level of impact. In my opinion Zidane was better than Maradona. If I had to choose between Pele, Maradona, or Zidane I would pick Zidane every time. I believe Zidane deserves every right to be considered one of the best 5 players of all time.

Most people on these boards haven't even seen Pele or Maradona play other than in hilights on the internet. The older people can speak with a valid opinion of Maradona, but most of the people that post here weren't even alive when Pele was actually playing.

Between Messi and Cristiano, CR is the only one that appears to be getting better with each passing year. Even though Messi is younger he doesn't look any better than he did 2 years ago and the fact that his DNA will always work against him doesn't help his cause. He will NEVER be able to compare to Maradona so for people to think he will is unjust and pointless. Maradona and Pele impacted the game of football on a global scale, neither Cristiano or Messi are anywhere near that level.

RevolutionMikE5 · 08-05-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mustangt1255

leomessi you have more pointless posts than anybody i have ever seen on any forum.

This post was not pointless at all.

den525player · 08-05-2008, 04:55 AM

First i would like to say is we are living in a different generation comparing to the 60s and 80s, and i think the generation now is alot more tougher tactically and physically comparing to the old days. We also have all the technologies in the world to judge players now, stats, tv angles/replays. Which shows player's flaws.

i think messi and ronaldo are both ON THE WAY to be a great. But alot of things can happen in 10 years, eg ronaldinho was on top of the world only 2-3 years ago, people described him as being one of the modern greats but look at him now! according to rumours he will never be able to play the way he used to play. If Ronaldo can sustain him currently form consistently over the next 10 years, win 7-8 league titles, 2-3 champions league, maybe lead portugal to european or world cup glory, i am sure he will go down as being on of the greats. Same goes for messi.

i would like to add i definitely don't consider Pele and Maradona to be the 2 greatest players ever lived. i think that judgement is wrong. They are one of the greatest ever players along side a few others. I rate players like Cruyff, Puskas, Beckenbauer, Eusebio, Platini and Zidane all alongside Pele and Maradona.

I think if Pele played in this generation and played in europe it would be a totally different story. I am sure if Ronaldo (fat) played in Brazil his whole career he would be able to achieve something similar to what Pele have achieved.

As for Maradona his skills were amazing but i think his world cup performances won him all the fans, he club career was good but he didn't win many titles for his teams.

Joobieo · 08-05-2008, 05:33 AM

Give them both 5 years or so..have them keep doing what they are doing and I'll gladly put them up there, but pele ummmm, his greatness was amazing...but then again you have to think that the defenders then weren't as good as they are now.

YouTube - lionel messi vs maradona

Watch the end of that...umm interesting lol.

- Joobieo

JroDBraSiL · 08-05-2008, 05:58 AM

im not a huge fan of portugal or argentina and i still think Ronaldo is better than messi and thats an unbiased opinion so

Modric08 · 08-05-2008, 06:48 AM

pele and maradona will always stand out for what they did in the world cup where as in my opinion messi and ronaldo have yet to do the same mainly because of their age. until messi or ronaldo stamp their authority on the world cup comparisons between the players will always end with pele and maradona on top.

LewisLaa · 08-05-2008, 11:38 AM

Ok, who the **** said yes

smeltzerinho · 08-05-2008, 12:28 PM

Great players win and perform well in world cups....nuff said

RevolutionMikE5 · 08-05-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LewisLaa

Ok, who the **** said yes

there were actually 2.

Mariners!!!!!! · 08-05-2008, 12:38 PM

no they're not, but they are still young, and definitley can reach that level

ForeverBlue'86 · 08-05-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by smeltzerinho27

Great players win and perform well in world cups....nuff said

Exactly - keep saying it, need to perform on the WORLD stage.

People seem to misinterpret what the 2 words actually mean. George Best was never actually considered "World Class" to alot of the older fans, cause he could never get NI into one, thus not being compared to Pele and Maradona so much.

I couldn't really give a 5hit to be honest, just those who worship and believe Ronaldo is world class are very wrong.

Modric08 · 08-05-2008, 02:43 PM

none of todays players can be classed in the same league as Pele or any of the players of that era - the reason is money! Todays players make to much money and there for we expect a lot out of them. To think a player like maradona was transfered at his peak to barca for £5,000,000 is unbelievable when we talk about transfer fees today. Pele played mostly for the love of the game todays top players are to concerned with how they look and what car their driving to be in anyway compared to Pele, Best or any of the others from that time.

Hansthemafia15 · 08-05-2008, 03:17 PM

no one can equal the skills and be at the same level as Pele and Maradonna...

ForeverBlue'86 · 08-05-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hansthemafia15

no one can equal the skills and be at the same level as Pele and Maradonna...

Mara who?

Most of the posters here fall into the trap of 'best'='attacking'. Like when people say "He's been the best player the league has ever seen... for Premiership? Henry, Shearer, Zola, Cantona, Giggs, Bergkamp, Scholes etc... notice the pattern? Same happening with Ronaldo (But TBF only a certain obsessive Portugueser is saying it, whilst most of us laugh it off).

I think it's easily arguable players like Cech and JT have been the best in the last 5 years but they don't get the attention the show ponies do like Ronaldo is getting recently.

Sumo · 08-05-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoMessi19

You support United then, right?

Sheffield Wednesday actually

den525player · 08-05-2008, 04:28 PM

IMO the importance of the world cup/international match is not as big now as back even just 10-15 years ago. and money have a really big factor to it. The clubs are basically everything to the players. The clubs are keeping the player's lifestyle and they are set up for life because of the clubs. Thats why i think players nowadays prioritise club football ahead of national team football. But it doesn't mean they have no pride, its just life. Players love playing for the country but considering the top players play around 70-80 games a year already for their clubs and then having to play high intensity matches at competitions such as euro or world cup. i think their performances for their nation will obviously be poorer than when they are playing for their clubs, as you can see players are tiring already towards the end of their club season.

Since there aren't many clashes between international and club matches especially for players born in the major football nations. i think if there was a clash eg gerrard a game for england and a game for liverpool on the same day i think he will have to pick liverpool, because they pay his bills, even if in his heart he wanted to play for england (but obviously we don't know what players think in their own head)

AriseForLife · 08-05-2008, 06:08 PM

Being considered World Class has NOTHING to do with winning World Cups or performing well in them. If that were the case then the entire English National team would be excluded from ever being considered World Class. Players like Just Fontaine who never won a World Cup but has 30 international goals in 21 games, 13 of which came in 1 single World Cup are World Class because they were top performers.

To me performing in the Champions Leagues holds more bearing than how a players performs in the World Cup. Example, many people would say that David Villa is a World Class performer, but he hasn't achieved anything with the Spanish National team that woudl merit mention. Alfredo di Stefano's legend is based SOLELY on his career with Real Madrid and it is UNDEBATABLE that he is a legent and WORLD CLASS despite never playing in a World Cup final and scoring all his goals in qualifiers.

Anyone that thinks being considered World Class has to do with playing with your National Team is mistaken, but then again I guess I am wrong and players like di Stefano aren't world class after-all.

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07-05-2008, 10:24 PM	#28 (permalink)
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07-05-2008, 11:01 PM	#30 (permalink)
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08-05-2008, 04:55 AM	#36 (permalink)
den525player EA Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Gender: Male Posts: 12,226	First i would like to say is we are living in a different generation comparing to the 60s and 80s, and i think the generation now is alot more tougher tactically and physically comparing to the old days. We also have all the technologies in the world to judge players now, stats, tv angles/replays. Which shows player's flaws. i think messi and ronaldo are both ON THE WAY to be a great. But alot of things can happen in 10 years, eg ronaldinho was on top of the world only 2-3 years ago, people described him as being one of the modern greats but look at him now! according to rumours he will never be able to play the way he used to play. If Ronaldo can sustain him currently form consistently over the next 10 years, win 7-8 league titles, 2-3 champions league, maybe lead portugal to european or world cup glory, i am sure he will go down as being on of the greats. Same goes for messi. i would like to add i definitely don't consider Pele and Maradona to be the 2 greatest players ever lived. i think that judgement is wrong. They are one of the greatest ever players along side a few others. I rate players like Cruyff, Puskas, Beckenbauer, Eusebio, Platini and Zidane all alongside Pele and Maradona. I think if Pele played in this generation and played in europe it would be a totally different story. I am sure if Ronaldo (fat) played in Brazil his whole career he would be able to achieve something similar to what Pele have achieved. As for Maradona his skills were amazing but i think his world cup performances won him all the fans, he club career was good but he didn't win many titles for his teams. __________________ Man Utd Highlights Manchester United MOTD 2009/10 Stevie Gerrard training as a kid

07-05-2008, 10:21 PM	#27 (permalink)
RevolutionMikE5 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sitting on my computer chair chomping on gold fish. Age: 15 Posts: 4,741 Blog Entries: 18	Cause the Messi vs Ronaldo topic is full of bias. Man United supports/Portuguesse people- "Ronaldo is better" Liverpool,Barca supporters,Ronaldo haters and Argentine people say Messi is better. But even though more people from Liverpool,Barca ect hate Ronaldo it evens out because there are so many Man United supporters.

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07-05-2008, 11:43 PM	#31 (permalink)
mustangt1255 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The United States of America Gender: Male Posts: 434	leomessi you have more pointless posts than anybody i have ever seen on any forum.

08-05-2008, 12:30 AM	#33 (permalink)
Tawton9 Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cardiff,South Wales Age: 19 Posts: 4,947	He has over 2,000 posts since February. He spams to get attention and creates pointless lalalala..He even made a poll asking people who he should support.

08-05-2008, 12:31 AM	#34 (permalink)
AriseForLife Elite Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The United States Posts: 8,861	Messi - No Cristiano - No Pointless to even think they will ever achieve that level of impact. In my opinion Zidane was better than Maradona. If I had to choose between Pele, Maradona, or Zidane I would pick Zidane every time. I believe Zidane deserves every right to be considered one of the best 5 players of all time. Most people on these boards haven't even seen Pele or Maradona play other than in hilights on the internet. The older people can speak with a valid opinion of Maradona, but most of the people that post here weren't even alive when Pele was actually playing. Between Messi and Cristiano, CR is the only one that appears to be getting better with each passing year. Even though Messi is younger he doesn't look any better than he did 2 years ago and the fact that his DNA will always work against him doesn't help his cause. He will NEVER be able to compare to Maradona so for people to think he will is unjust and pointless. Maradona and Pele impacted the game of football on a global scale, neither Cristiano or Messi are anywhere near that level.

08-05-2008, 05:33 AM	#37 (permalink)
Joobieo Forum Junkie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ohio, USA* Age: 20 Posts: 3,343	Give them both 5 years or so..have them keep doing what they are doing and I'll gladly put them up there, but pele ummmm, his greatness was amazing...but then again you have to think that the defenders then weren't as good as they are now. YouTube - lionel messi vs maradona Watch the end of that...umm interesting lol. - Joobieo __________________ Online Account : * Joobieo * * Level 1 * *Record 0-0* Fifa 2009 Level 17 105-51 Madden 09 ( Xbox 360 ) Last edited by Joobieo; 08-05-2008 at 05:40 AM..

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JroDBraSiL Forum Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Rio De Janeiro Gender: Male Posts: 615	im not a huge fan of portugal or argentina and i still think Ronaldo is better than messi and thats an unbiased opinion so __________________ PSN: JroDBraSiL

08-05-2008, 06:48 AM	#39 (permalink)
Modric08 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 80	pele and maradona will always stand out for what they did in the world cup where as in my opinion messi and ronaldo have yet to do the same mainly because of their age. until messi or ronaldo stamp their authority on the world cup comparisons between the players will always end with pele and maradona on top.

08-05-2008, 11:38 AM	#40 (permalink)
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08-05-2008, 12:28 PM	#41 (permalink)
smeltzerinho Festive know-it-all Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your face Gender: Male Posts: 20,353	Great players win and perform well in world cups....nuff said __________________ Rutter Out

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08-05-2008, 02:43 PM	#45 (permalink)
Modric08 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 80	none of todays players can be classed in the same league as Pele or any of the players of that era - the reason is money! Todays players make to much money and there for we expect a lot out of them. To think a player like maradona was transfered at his peak to barca for £5,000,000 is unbelievable when we talk about transfer fees today. Pele played mostly for the love of the game todays top players are to concerned with how they look and what car their driving to be in anyway compared to Pele, Best or any of the others from that time.

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Hansthemafia15 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 14	no one can equal the skills and be at the same level as Pele and Maradonna... __________________ http://www.fanaticfootball.proboards80.com

08-05-2008, 04:28 PM	#49 (permalink)
den525player EA Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Gender: Male Posts: 12,226	IMO the importance of the world cup/international match is not as big now as back even just 10-15 years ago. and money have a really big factor to it. The clubs are basically everything to the players. The clubs are keeping the player's lifestyle and they are set up for life because of the clubs. Thats why i think players nowadays prioritise club football ahead of national team football. But it doesn't mean they have no pride, its just life. Players love playing for the country but considering the top players play around 70-80 games a year already for their clubs and then having to play high intensity matches at competitions such as euro or world cup. i think their performances for their nation will obviously be poorer than when they are playing for their clubs, as you can see players are tiring already towards the end of their club season. Since there aren't many clashes between international and club matches especially for players born in the major football nations. i think if there was a clash eg gerrard a game for england and a game for liverpool on the same day i think he will have to pick liverpool, because they pay his bills, even if in his heart he wanted to play for england (but obviously we don't know what players think in their own head) __________________ Man Utd Highlights Manchester United MOTD 2009/10 Stevie Gerrard training as a kid

08-05-2008, 06:08 PM	#50 (permalink)
AriseForLife Elite Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The United States Posts: 8,861	Being considered World Class has NOTHING to do with winning World Cups or performing well in them. If that were the case then the entire English National team would be excluded from ever being considered World Class. Players like Just Fontaine who never won a World Cup but has 30 international goals in 21 games, 13 of which came in 1 single World Cup are World Class because they were top performers. To me performing in the Champions Leagues holds more bearing than how a players performs in the World Cup. Example, many people would say that David Villa is a World Class performer, but he hasn't achieved anything with the Spanish National team that woudl merit mention. Alfredo di Stefano's legend is based SOLELY on his career with Real Madrid and it is UNDEBATABLE that he is a legent and WORLD CLASS despite never playing in a World Cup final and scoring all his goals in qualifiers. Anyone that thinks being considered World Class has to do with playing with your National Team is mistaken, but then again I guess I am wrong and players like di Stefano aren't world class after-all.