Major League Soccer (MLS) Thread - Page 47

M1ZZ0U · 04-06-2008, 12:16 AM

Let's just hope he gets that chance to even gain experience, let alone show us what he's capable of on that stage.

Y R U so Chunky · 04-06-2008, 12:17 AM

If he keeps producing in the MLs, I'm sure he will. It can't be ignored.

Scuba Steve · 04-06-2008, 12:20 AM

You, its quite interesting how we expect our youngsters to be put into the national team squad at a young age if they start performing. Whereas teams such as Italy and France [for the most part] like to let them grow, and wait until they are about 25-26 to start giving them regular caps.

M1ZZ0U · 04-06-2008, 12:21 AM

Our " water well " isn't as deep as theirs, if you know what I mean. We're thirsty!

Scuba Steve · 04-06-2008, 12:27 AM

Well, yeah, I know why it is like that. Just an interesting thought. And I would have said that our "well" was getting deeper [comparatively], but the England performance shows it to be contrary to that thought.

M1ZZ0U · 04-06-2008, 12:30 AM

As you mentioned earlier, though, our u-21 squad looked quite impressive. Perhaps there are reasons to remain optimistic, if you're looking for ways to do so.

Scuba Steve · 04-06-2008, 12:33 AM

Most definitely. I just hope those kids can make the step up to the next level, no matter where they are playing.

ChelseablueDCU26 · 04-06-2008, 12:41 AM

Michael Bradley is definitely the best example of that.

Scuba Steve · 04-06-2008, 12:42 AM

Best example of what?

ChelseablueDCU26 · 04-06-2008, 12:59 AM

Stepping up and playing..filling shoes.

Went to Heerenveen at what 17/18? Now look at him.

Scuba Steve · 04-06-2008, 01:02 AM

Oh okay. Just clarifying before I agreed with you. And yes, he is a great example of that. But I don't think you have to necessarily go overseas. Altidore staying is another good example. He is getting it done here, after starting at an early age.

ChelseablueDCU26 · 04-06-2008, 01:04 AM

Ive always thought it would be more beneficial fopr our players to try to get into a European side at a very early age.

But to each his own path/

Scuba Steve · 04-06-2008, 01:06 AM

I also agree with that sentiment whole heartedly. However, I think it would be beneficial for some of the younger players to play here in the MLS, rather than go overseas and struggle to make the bench. Guys like Szetela and Zizzo moved (rather, Zizzo left college) to go overseas, where they just have not been playing games. Whereas here in MLS, they might get more playing time.

ChelseablueDCU26 · 04-06-2008, 01:09 AM

But that's the point.

They were playing every week in the reserves. Just not "Competitive" action. But still doing what they were doing, they are being bred like the rest of the squad are, to come up through the ranks and become even stronger.

I think that playing in the reserves and being brought up through the club side will develop you better for that club than playing a few years for the MLS and moving to a club.

M1ZZ0U · 04-06-2008, 01:39 AM

TomAto, TomAHto.

I think what it really comes down to is the person and position. Some kids can really respond to the variations of training the Euro-side offers while perhaps others may not thrive being so far away from home and factors like that on more of a personal level.

While the USMNT will certainly have the potential of improving overall with the development gained overseas, it's an unfortunate trade off that our home country's league remains idle with it's own talent, watching it leave (though, I personally don't blame them).

It's bittersweet but currently its also a necessary evil.

amenrah73 · 04-06-2008, 01:50 AM

We really have a USNT team love fest here.

Stop it.

Anyways Bradley is killing our team. Our talent pool isn't as deep so what...let these yougster prove themselves and develop first.

We have plenty of oldie but goodie vets that get the job done. I'm all for introducing young blood but at what price?

Scuba Steve · 04-06-2008, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by M1ZZ0U

TomAto, TomAHto.

I think what it really comes down to is the person and position. Some kids can really respond to the variations of training the Euro-side offers while perhaps others may not thrive being so far away from home and factors like that on more of a personal level.

While the USMNT will certainly have the potential of improving overall with the development gained overseas, it's an unfortunate trade off that our home country's league remains idle with it's own talent, watching it leave (though, I personally don't blame them).

It's bittersweet but currently its also a necessary evil.

Yeah, I always thought that would hurt the MLS. There is obvious reasons why our youngsters would want to go overseas to play. But that is going to hurt the MLS product, who is somewhat dependent on the best American players staying here to play.

M1ZZ0U · 04-06-2008, 01:54 AM

Addition by subtraction I suppose in the grand scheme of things. Unfortunate as that may be.

edit- Speaking of related topics:

Presumably, if the speculation has some validity to it, the 14th NY and DC clash, in DC for what could be Altidore's last game as the transfer window opens the Sunday of that weekend.

Scuba Steve · 04-06-2008, 01:56 AM

Yeah, and I had always hoped that MLS would have realized this, and would have looked overseas to fill in the void left by these players. But they seem reluctant to spend money, and it clearly shows in the product they put out each week.

M1ZZ0U · 04-06-2008, 02:03 AM

Well, they're certainly starting the trend of bringing in products from other countries, albeit, past-their-prime talents sprinkled in with some decent talent that is younger.

Something I read recently they were reluctant to do intially but have come to realize it was a trade-off necessity.

All in all, baby steps seems to be the overall plan of attack with the league. Nothing too dramatic from year to year and the ol' " play it as you go " theory.

amenrah73 · 04-06-2008, 02:06 AM

The Seattle Sounders will show how a team should be ran.

Starts with a committed corporate sponser and a fat Drew Carey.

Go Sounders!

Scuba Steve · 04-06-2008, 02:06 AM

I guess maybe steps is a somewhat of important concept. We know what happened with the NASL. They tried too much to quickly. I just would have thought that something like a designated player rule would have been in place when the league started, and not 11 years later.

M1ZZ0U · 04-06-2008, 02:12 AM

Agreed.

I think Garber has a good head on his shoulders and understands the faults & conversely positive steps the league needs. He has good pedigree coming from a marketing / NFL background that I hope will be an asset for the league in the coming years and many more to follow after that.

Scuba Steve · 04-06-2008, 02:18 AM

He is a good guy in terms of sound planning. I only wish that we had maybe like an European co-commissioner or something like that. Someone who would try to reason about dropping most of the American "rules" for league operation (draft, playoffs etc.). But that is just my preference. He and the owners have their idea about how the league should run, and so far it has worked.

M1ZZ0U · 04-06-2008, 02:24 AM

I do wonder if there are any articles floating around the web; concerning any mention by the MLS brass regarding dropping the playoffs & building some type of relationship with the NASL? Perhaps even in the form of relegation and promotion.

Surely they've considered it but I wonder if they've spoken publicly on the positives and negatives of such considerations.

04-06-2008, 12:16 AM	#1151 (permalink)
M1ZZ0U Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Second City Posts: 3,991	Let's just hope he gets that chance to even gain experience, let alone show us what he's capable of on that stage. __________________

04-06-2008, 12:17 AM	#1152 (permalink)
Y R U so Chunky Elite Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chunkyville Posts: 8,356	If he keeps producing in the MLs, I'm sure he will. It can't be ignored. __________________ http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-soccer#page/2

04-06-2008, 12:20 AM	#1153 (permalink)
Scuba Steve EA Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Manassas, VA Favorite Teams: DC United, United States Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 17,231	You, its quite interesting how we expect our youngsters to be put into the national team squad at a young age if they start performing. Whereas teams such as Italy and France [for the most part] like to let them grow, and wait until they are about 25-26 to start giving them regular caps. __________________ We love you Benny!

04-06-2008, 12:21 AM	#1154 (permalink)
M1ZZ0U Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Second City Posts: 3,991	Our " water well " isn't as deep as theirs, if you know what I mean. We're thirsty! __________________

04-06-2008, 12:27 AM	#1155 (permalink)
Scuba Steve EA Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Manassas, VA Favorite Teams: DC United, United States Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 17,231	Well, yeah, I know why it is like that. Just an interesting thought. And I would have said that our "well" was getting deeper [comparatively], but the England performance shows it to be contrary to that thought. __________________ We love you Benny!

04-06-2008, 12:30 AM	#1156 (permalink)
M1ZZ0U Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Second City Posts: 3,991	As you mentioned earlier, though, our u-21 squad looked quite impressive. Perhaps there are reasons to remain optimistic, if you're looking for ways to do so. __________________

04-06-2008, 12:33 AM	#1157 (permalink)
Scuba Steve EA Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Manassas, VA Favorite Teams: DC United, United States Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 17,231	Most definitely. I just hope those kids can make the step up to the next level, no matter where they are playing. __________________ We love you Benny!

04-06-2008, 12:41 AM	#1158 (permalink)
ChelseablueDCU26 Forum Junkie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: WVU, Morgantown, West Virginia, Age: 21 Posts: 4,298	Michael Bradley is definitely the best example of that. __________________ I'm just glad I'm not Matieo.

04-06-2008, 12:42 AM	#1159 (permalink)
Scuba Steve EA Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Manassas, VA Favorite Teams: DC United, United States Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 17,231	Best example of what? __________________ We love you Benny!

04-06-2008, 12:59 AM	#1160 (permalink)
ChelseablueDCU26 Forum Junkie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: WVU, Morgantown, West Virginia, Age: 21 Posts: 4,298	Stepping up and playing..filling shoes. Went to Heerenveen at what 17/18? Now look at him. __________________ I'm just glad I'm not Matieo.

04-06-2008, 01:02 AM	#1161 (permalink)
Scuba Steve EA Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Manassas, VA Favorite Teams: DC United, United States Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 17,231	Oh okay. Just clarifying before I agreed with you. And yes, he is a great example of that. But I don't think you have to necessarily go overseas. Altidore staying is another good example. He is getting it done here, after starting at an early age. __________________ We love you Benny!

04-06-2008, 01:04 AM	#1162 (permalink)
ChelseablueDCU26 Forum Junkie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: WVU, Morgantown, West Virginia, Age: 21 Posts: 4,298	Ive always thought it would be more beneficial fopr our players to try to get into a European side at a very early age. But to each his own path/ __________________ I'm just glad I'm not Matieo.

04-06-2008, 01:06 AM	#1163 (permalink)
Scuba Steve EA Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Manassas, VA Favorite Teams: DC United, United States Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 17,231	I also agree with that sentiment whole heartedly. However, I think it would be beneficial for some of the younger players to play here in the MLS, rather than go overseas and struggle to make the bench. Guys like Szetela and Zizzo moved (rather, Zizzo left college) to go overseas, where they just have not been playing games. Whereas here in MLS, they might get more playing time. __________________ We love you Benny!

04-06-2008, 01:09 AM	#1164 (permalink)
ChelseablueDCU26 Forum Junkie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: WVU, Morgantown, West Virginia, Age: 21 Posts: 4,298	But that's the point. They were playing every week in the reserves. Just not "Competitive" action. But still doing what they were doing, they are being bred like the rest of the squad are, to come up through the ranks and become even stronger. I think that playing in the reserves and being brought up through the club side will develop you better for that club than playing a few years for the MLS and moving to a club. __________________ I'm just glad I'm not Matieo.

04-06-2008, 01:39 AM	#1165 (permalink)
M1ZZ0U Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Second City Posts: 3,991	TomAto, TomAHto. I think what it really comes down to is the person and position. Some kids can really respond to the variations of training the Euro-side offers while perhaps others may not thrive being so far away from home and factors like that on more of a personal level. While the USMNT will certainly have the potential of improving overall with the development gained overseas, it's an unfortunate trade off that our home country's league remains idle with it's own talent, watching it leave (though, I personally don't blame them). It's bittersweet but currently its also a necessary evil. __________________

04-06-2008, 01:50 AM	#1166 (permalink)
amenrah73 Forum Guru Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In your jealous mind. Posts: 1,400	We really have a USNT team love fest here. Stop it. Anyways Bradley is killing our team. Our talent pool isn't as deep so what...let these yougster prove themselves and develop first. We have plenty of oldie but goodie vets that get the job done. I'm all for introducing young blood but at what price? __________________ Last edited by amenrah73; 04-06-2008 at 02:01 AM..

04-06-2008, 01:54 AM	#1168 (permalink)
M1ZZ0U Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Second City Posts: 3,991	Addition by subtraction I suppose in the grand scheme of things. Unfortunate as that may be. edit- Speaking of related topics: Presumably, if the speculation has some validity to it, the 14th NY and DC clash, in DC for what could be Altidore's last game as the transfer window opens the Sunday of that weekend. __________________ Last edited by M1ZZ0U; 04-06-2008 at 01:59 AM..

04-06-2008, 01:56 AM	#1169 (permalink)
Scuba Steve EA Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Manassas, VA Favorite Teams: DC United, United States Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 17,231	Yeah, and I had always hoped that MLS would have realized this, and would have looked overseas to fill in the void left by these players. But they seem reluctant to spend money, and it clearly shows in the product they put out each week. __________________ We love you Benny!

04-06-2008, 02:03 AM	#1170 (permalink)
M1ZZ0U Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Second City Posts: 3,991	Well, they're certainly starting the trend of bringing in products from other countries, albeit, past-their-prime talents sprinkled in with some decent talent that is younger. Something I read recently they were reluctant to do intially but have come to realize it was a trade-off necessity. All in all, baby steps seems to be the overall plan of attack with the league. Nothing too dramatic from year to year and the ol' " play it as you go " theory. __________________

04-06-2008, 02:06 AM	#1171 (permalink)
amenrah73 Forum Guru Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In your jealous mind. Posts: 1,400	The Seattle Sounders will show how a team should be ran. Starts with a committed corporate sponser and a fat Drew Carey. Go Sounders! __________________

04-06-2008, 02:06 AM	#1172 (permalink)
Scuba Steve EA Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Manassas, VA Favorite Teams: DC United, United States Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 17,231	I guess maybe steps is a somewhat of important concept. We know what happened with the NASL. They tried too much to quickly. I just would have thought that something like a designated player rule would have been in place when the league started, and not 11 years later. __________________ We love you Benny!

04-06-2008, 02:12 AM	#1173 (permalink)
M1ZZ0U Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Second City Posts: 3,991	Agreed. I think Garber has a good head on his shoulders and understands the faults & conversely positive steps the league needs. He has good pedigree coming from a marketing / NFL background that I hope will be an asset for the league in the coming years and many more to follow after that. __________________

04-06-2008, 02:18 AM	#1174 (permalink)
Scuba Steve EA Veteran Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Manassas, VA Favorite Teams: DC United, United States Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 17,231	He is a good guy in terms of sound planning. I only wish that we had maybe like an European co-commissioner or something like that. Someone who would try to reason about dropping most of the American "rules" for league operation (draft, playoffs etc.). But that is just my preference. He and the owners have their idea about how the league should run, and so far it has worked. __________________ We love you Benny!

04-06-2008, 02:24 AM	#1175 (permalink)
M1ZZ0U Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Second City Posts: 3,991	I do wonder if there are any articles floating around the web; concerning any mention by the MLS brass regarding dropping the playoffs & building some type of relationship with the NASL? Perhaps even in the form of relegation and promotion. Surely they've considered it but I wonder if they've spoken publicly on the positives and negatives of such considerations. __________________