Major League Soccer (MLS) Thread

[Scuba Steve]

Dena..... Cheeky Hobbitt and Steve are two different people! I missed the game last night unfortunately, but from what I saw on Sportscenter(!) the goals looked great, at least the one from Aleco and Donovan.

[Scuba Steve]

Hodgson is also considering a move for Columbia international forward Fredy Montero who plays for Major League Soccer side Seattle Sounders. (Daily Star)

Now while thats probably just a rumor at this point, and it would be devastating to see young Fredy leave so early, just goes to show that you can make a name for yourself here, and turn it into a move to Europe!

Maybe that will help the league recruit some younger, up and coming stars from South America.

[steve1892]

Originally Posted by hokiegooner

Dena..... Cheeky Hobbitt and Steve are two different people! I missed the game last night unfortunately, but from what I saw on Sportscenter(!) the goals looked great, at least the one from Aleco and Donovan.

Or am I...









...I mean we.

[Cheeky Hobbit]

Originally Posted by steve1892

Or am I...









...I mean we.

Shhhh. He'll never know.

Yeah dena, I know what you mean, some of my friends thing MLS is stupid and is just about a bunch of yanks trying to play football. I asked if they watched an actually match and they said just a couple of minutes of it before the shut it off.

Its a shame really, I wish more people would understand and atleast watch a game of it before they start to be a hater about it.

[steve1892]

Originally Posted by Cheeky Hobbit

Shhhh. He'll never know.

Yeah dena, I know what you mean, some of my friends thing MLS is stupid and is just about a bunch of yanks trying to play football. I asked if they watched an actually match and they said just a couple of minutes of it before the shut it off.

Its a shame really, I wish more people would understand and atleast watch a game of it before they start to be a hater about it.

My friends are the exact same.

Just kidding. Nah mine won't even give it a few minutes. When I'm watching a match I always message 1 or 2 that are still up and say that there's a match on. They'd make excuses like too tired or it's too late to watch football.

6pm (here) KO on Saturday for TFC-Houston.

Wonder if i'll still get "I'm tired" when I mention it.

[SubaruAdrian]

You know what Steve? I say that just fine with me. If they don't watch it then they'll never see us coming.. Just like the Spanish, Egypt, and (almost!) Brazil.

MLS is getting better. I think it has more in common with the English game but we have the Latin twist. I think it's a good mix and once we really perfect it, it's just going to be great great football.

[steve1892]

MLS is a young league still. Wonder if the people, when the english or spanish leagues were just formed, were like the people now that choose to ignore MLS and any other new up and coming leagues?

[SubaruAdrian]

Meh.. I think it stems from a fickleness in relation to the US.. I mean 8 years of Bush and the whole world chooses to forget history.

If you ask them or mention to them about the Australian League they are probably more keen on it.

[M1ZZ0U]

Good perspective & insight, Cheeky & Stevie Ireland. It's always interesting reading opinions and views from our European friends that aren't clouded with biased perspectives but rather objective outlooks. Good and bad, alike.

Keep up the good work, as usual.

Regarding Hokie's post:

That is a fantastic selling point and building block, if we can continue to develop young talent and make a name for our league on that premise.

I can't stress enough (as I did a long while ago) how revitalizing and refreshing it would be for this league to say " goodbye 34 year olds " and " hello, 20 year olds ". To be one of the leagues that's known for developing talent would not only lead to better quality but more recognition and attention from young prospects...which translates to a better product and passion on the pitch.

With that said, and once that trend were to sincerely begin/continue, it would only be a matter of time before we could retain such talent and allow the league to grow in the right way. With a young, exciting nucleus and talent throughout the league.

That's my hope, at least.

[steve1892]

@ SubaruAdrian

I can see what you mean but that doesn't fully apply to my friends. They range mostly from 16-19 so during the G.W.Bush years, they probably wouldn't have cared tbh.

@ M1ZZ0U

Great post. Totally agree that the younger players should be the priority.

Look at LA Galaxy. They got Beckham in a deal worth, I think, $125m. What is that?

They could've gotten a younger player for a quarter of that money, but apparently they wanted a few more shirts sold and tried to make a quick buck off his popularity. Same to be said about Beckham though. So obvious that he went there for the money. Now he's crying about coming back to Europe to try get to WC 2010. Why isn't he just letting the younger players have their time?

Read somewhere that Galaxy are interested in Del Piero. Great...just great...

[wellzsauce]

your missing the point on why they bought Beckham (T-shirt sales) and in the effort the succeeded immensely.

[M1ZZ0U]

Originally Posted by wellzsauce

your missing the point on why they bought Beckham (T-shirt sales) and in the effort the succeeded immensely.

..and you're missing the point on why, even if that were the only reason, it isn't a successful building block.

Success isn't defined by a few years of extra media coverage but rather the retention of interest and growing loyalty to the brand: MLS.

Either way, the reason(s) Becks was brought here has been discussed and debated ad nauseum, already on this board and within this thread.

No one is missing the point, simply because the point has already been discussed and we've moved on from that specific debate, quite some time ago.

[wellzsauce]

No sh** , I never said it was right it is r-tarded , I wish Beckham wasn't in the mls it doesn't bring anything to the league... but That is why they brought him.. for the publicity.

[steve1892]

Originally Posted by wellzsauce

your missing the point on why they bought Beckham (T-shirt sales) and in the effort the succeeded immensely.

I said about the shirt sales. And I know first hand that they accomplished what they wanted to do with regards to that. They were selling Galaxy 'Beckham' shirts here a year or two ago. They haven't sold any MLS shirts since.

[SubaruAdrian]

Originally Posted by steve1892

@ SubaruAdrian

I can see what you mean but that doesn't fully apply to my friends. They range mostly from 16-19 so during the G.W.Bush years, they probably wouldn't have cared tbh.

@ M1ZZ0U

Great post. Totally agree that the younger players should be the priority.

Look at LA Galaxy. They got Beckham in a deal worth, I think, $125m. What is that?

They could've gotten a younger player for a quarter of that money, but apparently they wanted a few more shirts sold and tried to make a quick buck off his popularity. Same to be said about Beckham though. So obvious that he went there for the money. Now he's crying about coming back to Europe to try get to WC 2010. Why isn't he just letting the younger players have their time?

Read somewhere that Galaxy are interested in Del Piero. Great...just great...

Your age group is exactly who it applies to because you don't have the perspective to realize the world existed before you did (not aiming this personally at you).

[SubaruAdrian]

Another point missed is that $125 million is a load of lalalala. The LEAGUE only paid him 32.4 million while all the rest was to come from other sources GIVEN THE RIGHT COMBINATION of things.

[steve1892]

Originally Posted by SubaruAdrian

Your age group is exactly who it applies to because you don't have the perspective to realize the world existed before you did (not aiming this personally at you).

Couldn't disagree more.

I was 9 when Bush was elected president. Not an age that politics is high on priorities, let alone a different countries. But to say that people my age don't realise the world existed before our time is, well, very ignorant of you.

Putting people in that age group into that generalization has nothing to do with there views on Bush or (on topic) MLS.

This is getting more about politics now so I'm going to just say we can agree to disagree.



About the Beckham deal. I said I think it was $125m. Just what I read. Didn't say it was a fact.

[SubaruAdrian]

Originally Posted by steve1892

Couldn't disagree more.

I was 9 when Bush was elected president. Not an age that politics is high on priorities, let alone a different countries. But to say that people my age don't realise the world existed before our time is, well, very ignorant of you.

Putting people in that age group into that generalization has nothing to do with there views on Bush or (on topic) MLS.

This is getting more about politics now so I'm going to just say we can agree to disagree.



About the Beckham deal. I said I think it was $125m. Just what I read. Didn't say it was a fact.

No see I think you're taking it personally. I apologize as that was not my intent.

You have to understand that as an American on these forums I have been subjected to post after post of Anti-American garbage from 12 - 20 year olds who have no real understanding of anything political to begin with. They just regurgitate the lalalala they have heard and because they lack perspective, accept it as fact.

And I wasn't refuting or attacking you for saying 125 million.. it's just the misconception that was CRAFTED PURPOSEFULLY by Simon Fuller, Beckham's agent. It made Fuller look like an incredible agent... which was exactly the point!

Now for the personal attack.. You're a nonce for supporting Toronto!

(I am, of course, kidding. You would only be a nonce if you had selected Houston Dynamo)

[steve1892]

Originally Posted by SubaruAdrian

No see I think you're taking it personally. I apologize as that was not my intent.

You have to understand that as an American on these forums I have been subjected to post after post of Anti-American garbage from 12 - 20 year olds who have no real understanding of anything political to begin with. They just regurgitate the lalalala they have heard and because they lack perspective, accept it as fact.

And I wasn't refuting or attacking you for saying 125 million.. it's just the misconception that was CRAFTED PURPOSEFULLY by Simon Fuller, Beckham's agent. It made Fuller look like an incredible agent... which was exactly the point!

Now for the personal attack.. Your a nonce for supporting Toronto!

(I am, of course, kidding. You would only be a nonce if you had selected Houston Dynamo)

Think I did take it a bit personally. I apologise for that.

The Beckham deal issue, again, thought it was a sort of personal attack. My bad.

Now...the TFC comment was just unnecessary...

[BMxJoga]

Originally Posted by steve1892

Couldn't disagree more.

I was 9 when Bush was elected president. Not an age that politics is high on priorities, let alone a different countries. But to say that people my age don't realise the world existed before our time is, well, very ignorant of you.

Putting people in that age group into that generalization has nothing to do with there views on Bush or (on topic) MLS.

This is getting more about politics now so I'm going to just say we can agree to disagree.



About the Beckham deal. I said I think it was $125m. Just what I read. Didn't say it was a fact.

Your my age! Thought you were a bit older, that is a complement though to your maturity!

In regards to Toronto any news on the Julian De Guzman Saga.

[Scuba Steve]

Yeah, DC United stepped in and signed him.

[M1ZZ0U]

Originally Posted by steve1892

Now...the TFC comment was just unnecessary...

Well, that's the only aspect I don't like about ya too, the ol' TFC supporter thing!

Only kidding, of course.

[steve1892]

Originally Posted by BMxJoga

Your my age! Thought you were a bit older, that is a complement though to your maturity!

In regards to Toronto any news on the Julian De Guzman Saga.

17 now lad, 18 next month.

Originally Posted by hokiegooner

Yeah, DC United stepped in and signed him.

Originally Posted by M1ZZ0U

Well, that's the only aspect I don't like about ya too, the ol' TFC supporter thing!

Only kidding, of course.

Yeah, sure...blame Canada.

eh

[Cheeky Hobbit]

Originally Posted by M1ZZ0U

Good perspective & insight, Cheeky & Stevie Ireland. It's always interesting reading opinions and views from our European friends that aren't clouded with biased perspectives but rather objective outlooks. Good and bad, alike.

Keep up the good work, as usual.

Regarding Hokie's post:

That is a fantastic selling point and building block, if we can continue to develop young talent and make a name for our league on that premise.

I can't stress enough (as I did a long while ago) how revitalizing and refreshing it would be for this league to say " goodbye 34 year olds " and " hello, 20 year olds ". To be one of the leagues that's known for developing talent would not only lead to better quality but more recognition and attention from young prospects...which translates to a better product and passion on the pitch.

With that said, and once that trend were to sincerely begin/continue, it would only be a matter of time before we could retain such talent and allow the league to grow in the right way. With a young, exciting nucleus and talent throughout the league.

That's my hope, at least.

I'm still interested in watching more MLS now. Hopefully I can get up close for another game and take some photos. I've already ordered some more tickets with my friends here in America.

But yeah, defiantly, I wish people wouldn't be so harsh on the MLS. I used to be like them, criticizing and everything, but watching that game yesterday really helped me understand why football is such a big thing around the world. And people really seem to love it.

[SubaruAdrian]

Now would you have chosen to follow FC Dallas if we still had Steve Morrow for coach?