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[AnfieldG8]

Nah mate, we don't want the V-Bomber. He's way past it. Too slow, injury prone (like another Aussie we all know used to be) and he's currently considering retirement. I'd be content with either Owen or Tuncay. Aliadiere??

[nurran0698]

Owen is past his best.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by nurran0698

Owen is past his best.

But we don't want him to play every single game do we.. We want him as a back-up, which he could do well..

[LFCtorresLFC]

Originally Posted by Danthomas2005

But we don't want him to play every single game do we.. We want him as a back-up, which he could do well..

Seeing as you didn't answer last night, maybe you will now...

Whats the point in getting a Torres back-up who can't even play the same position as him? He needs a partner to play off or he really is the biggest pile of lalalala(even worse than he is usually), so what good is a back-up who we'd have to change formation and put Kuyt/someone else upfront with? It would be better just playing Kuyt on his own tbh, or getting someone else in.

Wish that Fabiano story was recent though, he'd be the perfect back-up if he was happy with rotation.

[AnfieldG8]

Originally Posted by LFCtorresLFC

Seeing as you didn't answer last night, maybe you will now...

Whats the point in getting a Torres back-up who can't even play the same position as him? He needs a partner to play off or he really is the biggest pile of lalalala(even worse than he is usually), so what good is a back-up who we'd have to change formation and put Kuyt/someone else upfront with? It would be better just playing Kuyt on his own tbh, or getting someone else in.

Wish that Fabiano story was recent though, he'd be the perfect back-up if he was happy with rotation.

im sorry are you saying Torres is lalalala when he's up front by himself?

[LFCtorresLFC]

Originally Posted by AnfieldG8

im sorry are you saying Torres is lalalala when he's up front by himself?

No, I'm saying Owen is.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by LFCtorresLFC

Seeing as you didn't answer last night, maybe you will now...

Whats the point in getting a Torres back-up who can't even play the same position as him? He needs a partner to play off or he really is the biggest pile of lalalala(even worse than he is usually), so what good is a back-up who we'd have to change formation and put Kuyt/someone else upfront with? It would be better just playing Kuyt on his own tbh, or getting someone else in.

Wish that Fabiano story was recent though, he'd be the perfect back-up if he was happy with rotation.

You are right there, he can't play as a lone striker, but he's still a dangerous player to have.. Even bringing him off the bench could cause problems for the teams we are playing.. I'm not expecting him to do what Torres does, because if we are, then we'll be stuck for a while.. I'm pretty sure he is still able to play well as a lone striker, he wasn't great at it, but that's mainly because he never had to..

The main reason why I think he is the perfect player to get is that he is free, and he would be willing to take a smaller playing role.. Would Villa, Llorente, Lavezzi, Tevez etc. do that?..

[LFCtorresLFC]

Originally Posted by Danthomas2005

You are right there, he can't play as a lone striker, but he's still a dangerous player to have.. Even bringing him off the bench could cause problems for the teams we are playing.. I'm not expecting him to do what Torres does, because if we are, then we'll be stuck for a while.. I'm pretty sure he is still able to play well as a lone striker, he wasn't great at it, but that's mainly because he never had to..

The main reason why I think he is the perfect player to get is that he is free, and he would be willing to take a smaller playing role.. Would Villa, Llorente, Lavezzi, Tevez etc. do that?..

Another thing I forgot to mention is that his link up play is absolutely terrible too.

So let's run down his attributes for a striker: Finishing is great unless he's 1 on 1 when he'll panic and scuff it wide, pace not what it was, poor link up, movement can't fault it, not a hard worker, good first touch.

So basically we are left with Huntelaar who can't finish as well. Not good enough and never will be again, face up to it. Lucas Neill is on a free, doesn't mean we should get him.

[hw2789]

I think Owen will be revitalised back at the club that made him, get him fit and i'm sure he will get back to his best in no time.

[LFCtorresLFC]

Originally Posted by hw2789

I think Owen will be revitalised back at the club that made him, get him fit and i'm sure he will get back to his best in no time.

We made him because we played terrible tactics under Houllier that made Owen look like a star.

It was like Darren Bent at Charlton. Sit men behind the ball then counter attack by playing long balls up to Owen. Owen ended up with all the chances like Bent did, but it was very poor to watch and not good enough to win regularly.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by LFCtorresLFC

Another thing I forgot to mention is that his link up play is absolutely terrible too.

So let's run down his attributes for a striker: Finishing is great unless he's 1 on 1 when he'll panic and scuff it wide, pace not what it was, poor link up, movement can't fault it, not a hard worker, good first touch.

So basically we are left with Huntelaar who can't finish as well. Not good enough and never will be again, face up to it. Lucas Neill is on a free, doesn't mean we should get him.

OK.. Let's look at the stats..

This season (2008-2009) he played in total 31 games for Newcastle, scoring 10 goals.. 8 of those in the Premiership.. That is at a club that had four managers this season, with Owen being in and out of the team with injuries, while having fairly average service from the team..

The season before (2007-2008 ) he played 31 games and scored 13 goals, again for a fairly average team..

This season, he had the best (or top 5 at least) shots to goals ratio in the Premiership, higher than a lot of 'superb strikers'.. It shows when he gets service, he will score goals.. He averaged a goal every three games for an average Newcastle team, we have better players than Newcastle, we will create chances more..

[hw2789]

Originally Posted by LFCtorresLFC

We made him because we played terrible tactics under Houllier that made Owen look like a star.

It was like Darren Bent at Charlton. Sit men behind the ball then counter attack by playing long balls up to Owen. Owen ended up with all the chances like Bent did, but it was very poor to watch and not good enough to win regularly.

Nonsense, how do you explain what he did for England?

[Incendiere]

Owen is terrible.

[LFCtorresLFC]

Originally Posted by Incendiere

Owen is terrible.

Some sense at last.

[hw2789]

YouTube - Musical FA Cup Final 2001

Awful.

[LFCtorresLFC]

Owen IS Terrible not Owen WAS terrible.

Is=present, was=past

Hope that helps.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by LFCtorresLFC

Owen IS Terrible not Owen WAS terrible.

Is=present, was=past

Hope that helps.

Answer my post then.. Look at the stats over the past two years..

[hw2789]

He can't, that's why he hasn't.

Carry on believing what you read in The Sun LFC.

[LFCtorresLFC]

1 goal every 2 and a half goals is meant to make me re consider? Consider the player we are talking about is a goalpoacher it only adds to my point. Maybe if we were arguing over a striker who adds a lot to attacks, sets up goals, holds up the ball up etc I'd agree but for Owen it just shows how much he's declined.

Obafemi Martins has a similar record than him in the same team, should we sign him too?

[Dan]

Originally Posted by LFCtorresLFC

1 goal every 2 and a half goals is meant to make me re consider? Consider the player we are talking about is a goalpoacher it only adds to my point. Maybe if we were arguing over a striker who adds a lot to attacks, sets up goals, holds up the ball up etc I'd agree but for Owen it just shows how much he's declined.

Obafemi Martins has a similar record than him in the same team, should we sign him too?

The point of it all is, is that he managed it with an awful side, no offence to Newcastle, but they weren't brilliant at creating clear chances, however, when they did and they fell to Owen, he more often than not converted them.. If he can do that with them, then he could do even better with us..

Yes, Martins does have a similar record, not a better shots to goals ratio, but Newcastle want something like £9m for him, whereas Owen is on for nothing at all.. See the difference there..

[LFCtorresLFC]

Originally Posted by Danthomas2005

The point of it all is, is that he managed it with an awful side, no offence to Newcastle, but they weren't brilliant at creating clear chances, however, when they did and they fell to Owen, he more often than not converted them.. If he can do that with them, then he could do even better with us..

Yes, Martins does have a similar record, not a better shots to goals ratio, but Newcastle want something like £9m for him, whereas Owen is on for nothing at all.. See the difference there..

Would you take Martins for free? I certainly wouldn't, same goes for Owen.

We are one of the top teams in the world lalala, picking up has beens from relegated sides just because they are free is laughable when we have players of similar ability to Owen already in our squad.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by LFCtorresLFC

Would you take Martins for free? I certainly wouldn't, same goes for Owen.

We are one of the top teams in the world lalala, picking up has beens from relegated sides just because they are free is laughable when we have players of similar ability to Owen already in our squad.

We are looking for a striker who can fill in for Torres if he gets injured.. Kuyt is on the right, and looks much better there than when he goes back up front.. Ngog isn't good enough yet, and I'd prefer to see him got out on loan, and Babel doesn't look like he could play up front..

Bring in Owen, a free transfer, no risk, if he's a success brilliant, if he isn't, we can sell him, and make a profit on him at least.. If he does join, give him a chance, I think he could be a success, you don't.. Agree to disagree?..

[LFCtorresLFC]

Originally Posted by Danthomas2005

We are looking for a striker who can fill in for Torres if he gets injured.. Kuyt is on the right, and looks much better there than when he goes back up front.. Ngog isn't good enough yet, and I'd prefer to see him got out on loan, and Babel doesn't look like he could play up front..

Bring in Owen, a free transfer, no risk, if he's a success brilliant, if he isn't, we can sell him, and make a profit on him at least.. If he does join, give him a chance, I think he could be a success, you don't.. Agree to disagree?..

Yea we aren't going to agree on this so no point continuing.

[MaschPotato]

It's alright Dan. I stopped taking notice of him when he said Carragher was past it

[Ryan]

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Liverpool look to have missed out on Danijel Pranjic after Bayern Munich reportedly agreed a deal for the Heerenveen midfielder.
The left-sided Croatian has been linked with a move to Anfield following an impressive season in the Eredivisie.
But reports in Germany state that Pranjic is set to sign for Louis van Gaal's Bayern for a fee of £8.7million.
Pranjic told BILD: "What else could I say except I am very delighted.
"It is a big club and I will do my very best to pay back the trust Louis van Gaal has handed me.
"I am looking forward to play alongside Ivica Olic."