Arsenal FC Thread - Page 94

AriseForLife · 16-07-2008, 11:02 PM

I wonder if he isn't playing because of a possible sale. That would be great then we can go after Huntelaar finally.

elementkid1021 · 17-07-2008, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

How do you figured Barca got ripped off? I swear sometimes you say the most ridiculous things. Between you, Masch, and Matieo, I don't know who says the most mundane things.

i think he's a little overrated and to be honest i don't see arsenal missing him. i am curious to know what i said that make me ridiculous.

AriseForLife · 17-07-2008, 12:38 AM

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i think he's a little overrated and to be honest i don't see arsenal missing him. i am curious to know what i said that make me ridiculous.

I agree 100% that we will not miss him, but I don't think he is overrated. No one ever talks about him so I don't understand how he can be considered overrated. The only reason his name was mentioned this summer is because of the manner of how he handled his business.

I just thought the statement was ridiculous, I didn't mean you were ridiculous and I apologize for putting you in the category with the other two.

elementkid1021 · 17-07-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

I agree 100% that we will not miss him, but I don't think he is overrated. No one ever talks about him so I don't understand how he can be considered overrated. The only reason his name was mentioned this summer is because of the manner of how he handled his business.

I just thought the statement was ridiculous, I didn't mean you were ridiculous and I apologize for putting you in the category with the other two.

i don't know either of them well enough to really get offended.
i heard a lot of people saying helb was arsenal's best player beside fabregas and adebayor and they were putting them in their epl 07/08 team. i think if you have nasri on one wing and walcott on the other they'd be so much better. all they need is a little depth to the team so if someone goes down it won't be a huge blow.

ForeverBlue'86 · 17-07-2008, 01:08 AM

Arsenal have lost: Hleb, Flamini and Silva with Adebayor on his way too... me thinks Wenger is going to need to raid the shanty towns of Sub-Saharan Africa again..

AriseForLife · 17-07-2008, 01:58 AM

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i don't know either of them well enough to really get offended.
i heard a lot of people saying helb was arsenal's best player beside fabregas and adebayor and they were putting them in their epl 07/08 team. i think if you have nasri on one wing and walcott on the other they'd be so much better. all they need is a little depth to the team so if someone goes down it won't be a huge blow.

It's all good you aren't missing anything.

Well a lot of people did think he was our best player and to me that is just hilarious because Cesc was our best and more consistent player for the season. Hleb is too one dimensional for my taste and that is one reason why I don't miss him now that he is gone. It would be different if he were an attacking midfielder that actually attacked to score instead of attack to pass.

I really hope that Wenger uses Nasri on the right and Van Persie on the left in a forward position because he would be dangerous and if not him then Nasri on the left and Theo on the right in a forward position.

AriseForLife · 17-07-2008, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

Arsenal have lost: Hleb, Flamini and Silva with Adebayor on his way too... me thinks Wenger is going to need to raid the shanty towns of Sub-Saharan Africa again..

Give him time and I am sure you will here about some obscure unknown African that we have signed.

I will only miss Silva because Flamini and Hleb are easily replaced in my opinion.

ForeverBlue'86 · 17-07-2008, 02:04 AM

Hleb was good for Arsenal IMO, did just as much work as Fabregas without as much recognition, highly underrated player, played a different role to the one he did at Stuttgart.

AriseForLife · 17-07-2008, 02:08 AM

I understand he played out of position, and that probably played some part of his play, but it just irks me when people say we will miss him. Hleb was solid for Arsenal this season (his best season was 06/07 in my opinion) and was consistent, but at times he was also a liability because it was like he was afraid to shoot the ball.

I wouldn't say he did as much work as Cesc but I will say he was in our top 4 performers for the season. I am actually looking forward to seeing Rosicky fit for at least a week to see if he can contribute because he fits our style of play but he is also the most fragile person on the team.

.DJ · 17-07-2008, 02:13 AM

So who's gonna replace him? I wonder who

AriseForLife · 17-07-2008, 02:41 AM

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So who's gonna replace him? I wonder who

Nasri, Walcott, Diaby, Rosicky (if ever healthy). Anyone that can pass the ball can replicate Hleb.

Nasri is the ideal replacement because he can score, pass, create, hold, and draw defense which is something Hleb was never really good at since teams knew he wouldn't shoot.

Scuba Steve · 17-07-2008, 02:55 AM

I was surprised when I did not see Nasri's name in team sheet for the Barnet game. I was hoping to get to see him in action on Saturday.

Not that its a problem or anything. Just anxious.

.DJ · 17-07-2008, 03:19 AM

Oh yea nasri was a good signin for u guys

ForeverBlue'86 · 17-07-2008, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

I understand he played out of position, and that probably played some part of his play, but it just irks me when people say we will miss him. Hleb was solid for Arsenal this season (his best season was 06/07 in my opinion) and was consistent, but at times he was also a liability because it was like he was afraid to shoot the ball.

I wouldn't say he did as much work as Cesc but I will say he was in our top 4 performers for the season. I am actually looking forward to seeing Rosicky fit for at least a week to see if he can contribute because he fits our style of play but he is also the most fragile person on the team.

To be fair, the big problem with them usually came with the whole "trying to walk the ball into the net" stuff, usually comes from the lalalalas who think playing "beautiful football" alone wins you trophies, changed last season though, Fabregas was starting to hit them from long range an it finally worked.

From what I saw of Hleb last season I thought he was doing equally as much as Fabregas on a more consistent basis, Fabregas form seemed to dry up for a while after a good start to the season. Nasri was probably the replacment anyway, wonder how Wenger will play out the midfield now...

Speaking of which, i'd have thought that Denilson kid would finally step up now, what happened to him?

elementkid1021 · 17-07-2008, 05:33 AM

i think van persie is more important than rosicky but like i said if arsenal had the depth like man u and chelsea it wouldn't hurt them as much.

Scuba Steve · 17-07-2008, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

From what I saw of Hleb last season I thought he was doing equally as much as Fabregas on a more consistent basis, Fabregas form seemed to dry up for a while after a good start to the season. Nasri was probably the replacment anyway, wonder how Wenger will play out the midfield now...

When it comes to helping the team yes. But when it comes to scoring goals, no.

Yeah, but Hleb ended up with four goals in all competitions last year. Two in the prem, and two in Europe.

1 against Fulham on August 12
1 against Sparta Prague on August 15
1 against Slavia Prague on October 23
1 against Ready on November 12

And I don't think any of those were from outside of the box. In fact I know that for sure. He just was to gun shy for most of Arsenal's liking.

And that was it for his scoring last year. In his position in the team, he should have been scoring goals. Hell, even Gallas had more goals. And in nearly just half the same amount of appearances, Rosicky had 7.

thisone326 · 17-07-2008, 07:11 AM

i'm gonna miss hleb, personally. i think he's an amazing player. yeah he doesn;t shoot much, but he's the best controller of the ball and best passer arsenal had. the guy worked wonders to open up space and make it easier for the midfield to get into the action and move up the field.

btw...ac milan has stated their done with transfers, so unless barca up their bid adebayor will be at arsenal.

Walcott better get some starting time come this fall, he showed to me at the end of last season that he's ready to give his all and has matured enough as a player to really really help the team out. I'd love to see Walcott out wide right (though he doesn't really like it) with nasri covering where hleb was. Fabs obviously in the middle with denilson. i think the kid's ready for it....as i see it we're selling out older, established players....give the young guys a shot. Diaby, Song, Denilson all have the ability to be a solid partner for cesc. Unless we're adding to depth (not adding to our starting line-up) i don;t want to see much coming in midfield. We still need a CB, and i'm 95% sure sheyi is staying...so that leaves: RvP, Ade, Eduardo, Bendtnar, Vela at attack, which i feel fine with.

anyone think that Arsene might start playing RvP out wide? if we do bring in another striker, it might free up the RvP to go wide since we won't have to worry so much about him being up front with other options.

Matieo10 · 17-07-2008, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Nasri, Walcott, Diaby, Rosicky (if ever healthy). Anyone that can pass the ball can replicate Hleb.

Nasri is the ideal replacement because he can score, pass, create, hold, and draw defense which is something Hleb was never really good at since teams knew he wouldn't shoot.

You think Nasri has a sense of experience around him that Hleb did? you say he can score...11-so goals in 120+ games for Marseille

yep, that's scoring right there

Another thing...Walcott cannot pass, dunno why you bothered mentioning him. I always though Rosicky was as good or even better than Hleb on form, but is much more suited for a central attacking role as opposed to that wing position AW puts him in

Diaby WAS a good player, now he's mediocre really, at times embarrassing...that injury did him in, we might never see the potential that was once there

AriseForLife · 17-07-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

From what I saw of Hleb last season I thought he was doing equally as much as Fabregas on a more consistent basis, Fabregas form seemed to dry up for a while after a good start to the season. Nasri was probably the replacment anyway, wonder how Wenger will play out the midfield now...

Well I am hoping that he finally starts to play Van Rapist as you call him out at his natural position of LF instead of as a ST. If he does that then we can have Bendtner and Adebayor up front together or even drop Theo in the hole and start making him more of a 'trequartista' as I think he will eventually end up playing. If thta happens then Nasri will be on the right, but who knows.

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Speaking of which, i'd have thought that Denilson kid would finally step up now, what happened to him?

Same as with all Arsenal players......................injured, but I hope he will be ready to go for the start of the season.

AriseForLife · 17-07-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by elementkid1021

i think van persie is more important than rosicky but like i said if arsenal had the depth like man u and chelsea it wouldn't hurt them as much.

Van Persie is more important because of the two he does play more often, but each of them are way too fragile. I think Arsene should move him out to the LF spot like he played for Feyenoord and for the Oranje.

I think if Rosiky can stay healthy then we would also be much better off, but that is like asking for 100 degree heat in Antartica.

In a perfect world I would like to see the following:

GK - Almunia
RB - Sagna
CB - Toure
CB - Gallas (C)
LB - Clichy

RF - Nasri
CDM - Diaby (but if rumors are true Alonso or Barry)
CM - Fabregas
LF - Van Persie

CF - Walcott
ST - Adebayor

DBond5 · 17-07-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Van Persie is more important because of the two he does play more often, but each of them are way too fragile. I think Arsene should move him out to the LF spot like he played for Feyenoord and for the Oranje.

I think if Rosiky can stay healthy then we would also be much better off, but that is like asking for 100 degree heat in Antartica.

In a perfect world I would like to see the following:

GK - Almunia
RB - Sagna
CB - Toure
CB - Gallas (C)
LB - Clichy

RF - Nasri
CDM - Diaby (but if rumors are true Alonso or Barry)
CM - Fabregas
LF - Van Persie

CF - Walcott
ST - Adebayor

Perfection. VP also plays LF/LW for Holland aswell and shows so much more potential then playing ST alongside someone else.

Edit; Why not have Theo down the right wing with Nasri dropping into the hole.

AriseForLife · 17-07-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Matieo10

You think Nasri has a sense of experience around him that Hleb did? you say he can score...11-so goals in 120+ games for Marseille

yep, that's scoring right there

Another thing...Walcott cannot pass, dunno why you bothered mentioning him.

You are entitled to your opinion on each of these matters, but you already know that I don't value it either way.

AriseForLife · 17-07-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DBond5

Perfection. VP also plays LF/LW for Holland aswell and shows so much more potential then playing ST alongside someone else.

Edit; Why not have Theo down the right wing with Nasri dropping into the hole.

Unless Theo works on his through balls it would be pointless because he isn't great at that yet. He can do the long passes and short passes, but his through balls are eith good or horrible form what I have watched of him. Once he gets those down then I think Theo is a lock to be a great RF/RW if Arsene chooses to use him in that capacity.

After he got injured again last season I started wanting him to be tossed out to the LF but it never happened, then I hoped it would happen the next season and still nothing so when this season came I didn't have much hope for it, but after seeing him in the Euros, I hope Arsene finally will put him out there becasue he is truly gifted and would be deadly for us. If Robin is used in that role it would be the first time since Marc Overmars that we will have had a true winger/forward that can score and play interior attack.

AriseForLife · 17-07-2008, 08:53 AM

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anyone think that Arsene might start playing RvP out wide? if we do bring in another striker, it might free up the RvP to go wide since we won't have to worry so much about him being up front with other options.

I hope so because it would allow us more flexibility up front with Adebayor, and Bendtner and even allowing Theo to play in the hole.

I really want to see what happens with the rumors about Xabi Alonso and Garth Barry because if we got either of those two that would be a good signing but Barry is more versatile since he can play either fullback spot as well as in the holding role.

I also wonder if we will make a move for N'Zogbia because he is another winger that we could use nicely as a back up on the left or at LB for Clichy's cover.

AriseForLife · 17-07-2008, 09:42 AM

Our other alternative would be to run the 4-5-1 which has also worked well for us and with our current team makeup may even be better than the modified 4-4-2 we run.

GK - Almunia
RB - Sagna
CB - Toure
CB - (C)Gallas
LB - Clichy

RM - Nasri
CM - Diaby (Alonso or Barry if bought)
LM - Van Persie
RAM - Walcott
LAM - Cesc

ST - Adebayor

In this formation it would allow Theo and Samir to interchange throughout the match to free up space and offer a change of pace.

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thisone326 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: pittsburgh Age: 21 Posts: 165	i'm gonna miss hleb, personally. i think he's an amazing player. yeah he doesn;t shoot much, but he's the best controller of the ball and best passer arsenal had. the guy worked wonders to open up space and make it easier for the midfield to get into the action and move up the field. btw...ac milan has stated their done with transfers, so unless barca up their bid adebayor will be at arsenal. Walcott better get some starting time come this fall, he showed to me at the end of last season that he's ready to give his all and has matured enough as a player to really really help the team out. I'd love to see Walcott out wide right (though he doesn't really like it) with nasri covering where hleb was. Fabs obviously in the middle with denilson. i think the kid's ready for it....as i see it we're selling out older, established players....give the young guys a shot. Diaby, Song, Denilson all have the ability to be a solid partner for cesc. Unless we're adding to depth (not adding to our starting line-up) i don;t want to see much coming in midfield. We still need a CB, and i'm 95% sure sheyi is staying...so that leaves: RvP, Ade, Eduardo, Bendtnar, Vela at attack, which i feel fine with. anyone think that Arsene might start playing RvP out wide? if we do bring in another striker, it might free up the RvP to go wide since we won't have to worry so much about him being up front with other options. __________________ Gooners!

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AriseForLife Elite Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The United States Posts: 8,861	I wonder if he isn't playing because of a possible sale. That would be great then we can go after Huntelaar finally.

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ForeverBlue'86 Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 7,008	Arsenal have lost: Hleb, Flamini and Silva with Adebayor on his way too... me thinks Wenger is going to need to raid the shanty towns of Sub-Saharan Africa again..

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ForeverBlue'86 Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 7,008	Hleb was good for Arsenal IMO, did just as much work as Fabregas without as much recognition, highly underrated player, played a different role to the one he did at Stuttgart.

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AriseForLife Elite Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The United States Posts: 8,861	I understand he played out of position, and that probably played some part of his play, but it just irks me when people say we will miss him. Hleb was solid for Arsenal this season (his best season was 06/07 in my opinion) and was consistent, but at times he was also a liability because it was like he was afraid to shoot the ball. I wouldn't say he did as much work as Cesc but I will say he was in our top 4 performers for the season. I am actually looking forward to seeing Rosicky fit for at least a week to see if he can contribute because he fits our style of play but he is also the most fragile person on the team.

17-07-2008, 09:42 AM	#2350 (permalink)
AriseForLife Elite Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The United States Posts: 8,861	Our other alternative would be to run the 4-5-1 which has also worked well for us and with our current team makeup may even be better than the modified 4-4-2 we run. GK - Almunia RB - Sagna CB - Toure CB - (C)Gallas LB - Clichy RM - Nasri CM - Diaby (Alonso or Barry if bought) LM - Van Persie RAM - Walcott LAM - Cesc ST - Adebayor In this formation it would allow Theo and Samir to interchange throughout the match to free up space and offer a change of pace.