Arsenal FC Thread

[AriseForLife]

Here are the articles that ****ed me off and made me hopeful.

Adebayor u-turn......
Huntelaar breaks off contract talks.........

[Thade2532]

it appears Adebayor is wanting more money

Emmanuel Adebayor has revealed that Barcelona have made a very attractive offer for his services.



Adebayor stated on Friday that he would be staying at Arsenal, but later the same day he admitted his future was still far from certain.


Milan had appeared to be the frontrunners in the race to sign Adebayor but the 24-year-old has now declared that he would be interested in joining Barcelona.


Adebayor has warned Arsenal that he will look to leave if his pay demands are not satisfied, even though Arsene Wenger has reiterated his desire to keep the Togo international.


"Milan are a big club but the fact they are not playing in the Champions League next season is less of a challenge," Adebayor told the News of the World.


"Barcelona have made a good financial offer and there is also the chance to play alongside great players.


"Yes, I am still under contract to Arsenal but it's up to the directors to satisfy my demands or I'll leave.



Preparing


"If my good form of last season has increased my value, my employers have to take account of that.


"I have to prepare for my retirement. Even if you are not scoring fine goals and you have money, you can enjoy a happy retirement.


"The time for preparing for that moment is now."


Adebayor believes he should be given parity with former team-mate Thierry Henry after successfully filling the void left by the Frenchman last season.


He explained: "People ask if I am asking for the same salary as Henry. That is not necessarily the question.


"But I am being considered a worthy replacement for Henry while not deserving his salary.


"The question lies on this level."

[WaffleMonkey]

How can these players ask for more money.
What a bunch of greedy lalalala.

[Thade2532]

we should just get rid of him to Barca and swap him and Hleb for Eto'o and Y.Toure i reckon theres no point keeping players that dont want to be here and demand stupid money, Adebayor is good but hes nowhere near Henry yet

[Coups93]

They ask for these wages because they have an expensive lifestyle and that this is what they have to live off!! Its stupid thom that the amount they want people are willing to pay!!

[Thade2532]

lets just milk Milan or Barca for all theyve got for Adebayor

[Scuba Steve]

Yeah, if Arsenal get 25 + for Adebayor, they should take it.

Arsene can find a suitable replacement.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Coups93

They ask for these wages because they have an expensive lifestyle and that this is what they have to live off!! Its stupid thom that the amount they want people are willing to pay!!

It has nothing to do with that. Adebayor had ONE good season and then clubs got interested in buying him and that went to his head. AC Milan and Barca have basically done what Real Madrid did for Cristiano Ronaldo, they got him thinking and that is the worst thing that can happen for a club is when other teams are into your players and throw money at them.

Also Adebayor is a moron if he thinks he is worth the same salary that Henry commanded. Henry repped for 8 years, Adebayor has only scored more than 15 goals in all competitions once and that was this season. To see him talk about saving up for retirement shows how much of a joke he is, the guy is 24 years old and he is talking like he is nearing the end of his career.

Pathetic fool.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Thade2532

we should just get rid of him to Barca and swap him and Hleb for Eto'o and Y.Toure

Before that is taken into consideration you have to look at how much Eto'o and Yaya would want to get paid. Barca are offering €29M which is less than the €35.4M that Milan are offering for him. I would be happier selling him to Milan and then inquire about Yaya since he would like to play with his brother, but I think the club will look at there wages demands first and foremost.

[AriseForLife]

I hope the day comes when I can open my IE and see the headline say "Adebayor off to Milan dream, while Arsenal laugh all the way to the bank with £28M in the largest heist in soccer history."

[Brendyne]

In the paper in Australia it says that Chelsea have lined up an offer for Adebayor.
I'm sure you Arsenal fans would be in a massive up-roar if Adebayor went to them.

Of course it'd only eventuate if Drogba leaves them.

[AriseForLife]

To be honest I don't care where he goes as long as we milk the team for plenty of cash. I am not really worried about him going to any other EPL team because Arsene would never sell him to our rivals.

Right now the press has us pricing him at £31M and no one from Arsenal has said anything on his value but if we do cash in on him for the rumored £28M that Milan are offering it will be the largest robbery in history in my opinion because he is not worth any more than £18M in my opinion.

[thisone326]

i like adebayor. a lot. he's not the greatest finisher...but he did have 30+ goals in all competitions. he's still class, and i don;t think arsenal can afford to lose a non-injured or injury prone striker right now

[Scuba Steve]

Sounds like Arsenal are about to wrap up this deal for Amaury Bischoff. Don't know too much about him to be honest, but he only had one appearance for Werder Bremen's first team. And from what I heard somewhere, that was because he was injury prone.

Not they type of guy who I wanted to see Wenger go after this summer (if true injury prone, and known to be young).

But apparently Wenger has tracked him for three years now, and the deal seems to be imminent.

And by imminent, I mean, Werder Bremen have said that they would have liked him to stay, but that he has decided for a new challenge, and the player himself said the lure of Arsenal was too big to turn down.

[Jason Holm88]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

I hope the day comes when I can open my IE and see the headline say "Adebayor off to Milan dream, while Arsenal laugh all the way to the bank with £28M in the largest heist in soccer history."

Don't you get emotionally attached to any of Arsenal's players? It seems the minute there are rumours of some of your players leaving that actually hold water, you act as if you couldn't care less if they leave. Now fair enough if that's actually is the case, but I just wonder what supporting Arsenal means to you? Don't the actual players mean anything?

For instance when it was confirmed Flamini had signed for Milan, all of a sudden he wasn't a good player (I can't be arsed to quote you but I'm pretty sure you said he wasn't that good) when he infact was one of your absolutely best players the past season and maybe the most consistent performer.

Now obviously no one can really ask you to be loyal when you're players aren't either, but to me you just appear a bit of a turncoat.

I understand if you perhaps are a bit frustrated with Adebayor, what with his flirting with Milan and Barca, but he is one of your best players, and undoubtedly very important part of the tem. His reluctancy to commit to Arsenal aside, don't you recognise his importance?

I'm in a similar situation with Ronaldo, who is yet to commit his future at United. But just because of the rumours of him moving to Real Madrid, my liking for him as a United player does not go up in smoke. Should he declare to Sir Alex that his desire is to leave, then I wouldn't want him to stay, but I wouldn't personally begin to dislike him or forget his brilliance. I would be sad to see him leave but still appreciate what he's done.

Don't take this as a rant or anything, just a few thougths and questions from my side.

[Scuba Steve]

Yeah, but with Adebayor, he has come out and said that he wants the board to meet his demands (triple his wage packet), which basically means meet my demands or transfer me.

To be honest, that guy has to lose all credibility at a club like Arsenal. Everyone knows that Arsenal does not pay top wages, especially after one brilliant season. And Adebayor knows that as well. Arsenal do not operate like the other big clubs in the world, and have their own standard.

Now, Adebayor has his own rights to ask for more money (every player has that right), but its pretty clear that he won't get what he wants this time. And when a player at your club comes out and says the money is more important than the team, the teammates, etc. you have to question that player's loyalty to the club.

I'd much rather have some one who maybe was of lesser talent that wanted to play for the club because of loyalty to the club, rather than someone who wanted the big bucks to play there. And I think thats how many Arsenal fans think.

And thats not to say that it doesn't happen at other clubs. However, the board and the manager at other clubs maybe are more willing to meet the demands of the star players.

So I don't think that if the player (in this case Adebayor) has come out and basically said that a move to Milan has intrigued him and that he wants to move if the board doesn't triple his salary, supporters should still back him. Personally, if he does not want to stay at the club, then I want him gone as well. And I think that is what Arise was trying to say.

Also, in the instance of Flamini. I have never agreed with Arise about Flamini, however, long before he left, Arise was saying how he was not the biggest fan of Flamini. He did not start saying that after he left.

[Jason Holm88]

Mm okay, fair enough. This wasn't all about Adebayor by the way, not saying he deserves the supporter's trust for his demands, just saying despite all that he is one of your best players.

[Scuba Steve]

No doubt he is one of Arsenal's better players, and obviously their best striker. But its apparent (with the departure of Flamini and possibly Hleb) that being one of the best players on the team (and some of the better players in the league) does not warrant higher wages to Wenger.

I don't totally agree with that, but thats just the way that he operates.

[Thade2532]

who the hell is this Bischoff guy, i hope he isnt meant to be Flamini's replacement and when is Nasri officially annouced as our player

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Jason Holm88

Don't you get emotionally attached to any of Arsenal's players? It seems the minute there are rumours of some of your players leaving that actually hold water, you act as if you couldn't care less if they leave. Now fair enough if that's actually is the case, but I just wonder what supporting Arsenal means to you? Don't the actual players mean anything?

Name any player other than Gallas or Adebayor that I have said I wouldn't care if they left! I have never liked Gallas even when he was at Chelsea and when I heard we were getting him it ****ed me off, and as for Adebayor I have been his staunchest supporter since he arrived at Arsenal. I have supported him while ever other person blasted him and said he wouldn't be anything. You come in this thread once every blue moon and make a post like this. You make it sound like I don't any ARsenal player when that couldn't be further from the truth. I have never wanted a single Arsenal player to be sold and even said I didn't think Sheyi would leave, but truth be told his sale would be good for the club and thats what it is about, the club. I care more about the club than I do individual players because the club will never go anywhere, where as players come and go. There are players I want to see retire at Arsenal, i.e. Cesc, Gilberto, Toure, Walcott, but if they end up moving on then so be it, as long as Arsenal are in a good place I am happy.

For instance when it was confirmed Flamini had signed for Milan, all of a sudden he wasn't a good player (I can't be arsed to quote you but I'm pretty sure you said he wasn't that good) when he infact was one of your absolutely best players the past season and maybe the most consistent performer.

I wanted Flamini sold 2 seasons ago when he wasn't contributing for Arsenal. This season was his first season where he actually contributed and I appreciated his efforts, but you can search and search these boards or the internet and you will find that I have never once agreed that Flamini was a good player. I don't agree that he was our most consistent by any means nor was he our best player. You are entitled to your opinion however.

Now obviously no one can really ask you to be loyal when you're players aren't either, but to me you just appear a bit of a turncoat.

This is just a stupid statement through and through. I am a turncoat because I don't care if certain players are kept or sold, give me a break, now you are just being stupid.

I understand if you perhaps are a bit frustrated with Adebayor, what with his flirting with Milan and Barca, but he is one of your best players, and undoubtedly very important part of the tem. His reluctancy to commit to Arsenal aside, don't you recognise his importance?

Why would I be frustrated with Adebayor? You make it sound like he is the end all be all of Arsenal when in fact he is not. Any player that does not wish to be part of the cause after signing a contract can step for all I care. Adebayor wants Henry like money despite not playing anywhere near the level of Henry in any way shape or form. Sure he scored 30 goals in all comps, but he easily missed 15 goals in all comps also and some of those misses were vital to getting points or losing. Adebayor is not a player that I would consider irreplacable because truth be told he can be replaced quite easily with better players. How can you say he has importance when he is asking for a 400% raise, oh yeah that is very important lets show our youngsters that we shouldn't honor a contract when we perform well. I have so much respect for players like Cesc because he gets better year after year and never complains once about pay. When a player signs a contract the club expects them to perform top class, but players like Sheyi think that having a stellar season entitles them to more money because they did what we expected them to do.

I am not frustrated one bit about this situation because if the rumors are true and we can milk Milan or Barca (whom seem to like our players each year) then I say go for it because it would be wonderful business to sell a player for £28M that we only paid £7.3M in the first place.

I'm in a similar situation with Ronaldo, who is yet to commit his future at United. But just because of the rumours of him moving to Real Madrid, my liking for him as a United player does not go up in smoke. Should he declare to Sir Alex that his desire is to leave, then I wouldn't want him to stay, but I wouldn't personally begin to dislike him or forget his brilliance. I would be sad to see him leave but still appreciate what he's done.

Did I ever say anything about not liking Adebayor? No. I love him as a player and have been supporting him since he joined the club and if he leaves I will still like him as a player, but in the end it comes down to the club, I am Arsenal through and through before I am Adebayor through and through.

You make plenty of assessments and express your opinions and none of your remarks are correct at all. You assume that I don't like him when I have never said such a thing or impled it, you think I don't appreciate him when in fact I do, I really think you should stick to worrying about your own club and there situations because you couldn't be more incorrect when it comes to Arsenal matters and me especially.

Don't take this as a rant or anything, just a few thougths and questions from my side.

Not taking it as anything, wasn't many questions, more like an assessment and incorrect opinions is more like it.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by hokiegooner

Yeah, but with Adebayor, he has come out and said that he wants the board to meet his demands (triple his wage packet), which basically means meet my demands or transfer me.

You mean quadruple. I found it hilarious when he mentioned things like preparing for my retirement, etc. Fool you are 24 years old why would you be thinking about retirement? I sometimes don't know what players think when they are approached by the press. Adebayor has changed his mind more times than Cristiano Ronaldo when asked about Real Madrid and I just laugh when I see him talk at this point because there is no loyalty to the club.

To be honest, that guy has to lose all credibility at a club like Arsenal. Everyone knows that Arsenal does not pay top wages, especially after one brilliant season. And Adebayor knows that as well. Arsenal do not operate like the other big clubs in the world, and have their own standard.

Most definitely, this shows that he is only after a big check because he played well and that is something we expect ALL of our players to do, but he seems to think that playing well means he should get an automatic £120,000/week. So what happens if he scores 40 goals in a season? Will he then want to be paid £240,000/week?

Now, Adebayor has his own rights to ask for more money (every player has that right), but its pretty clear that he won't get what he wants this time. And when a player at your club comes out and says the money is more important than the team, the teammates, etc. you have to question that player's loyalty to the club.

Exactly and Adebayor should know that Arsenal have a pay structure and have bad for the last 12 years so this isn't anything new to him. I guess he feels that he is the one player that could come in and change how it is all done.

I'd much rather have some one who maybe was of lesser talent that wanted to play for the club because of loyalty to the club, rather than someone who wanted the big bucks to play there. And I think thats how many Arsenal fans think.

Most definitely, but I don't worry about us not having someone as talented or more talented to replace him. I think we have every bit as much of a chance at getting Huntelaar as United does and to think otherwise would be foolish.

And thats not to say that it doesn't happen at other clubs. However, the board and the manager at other clubs maybe are more willing to meet the demands of the star players.

Other clubs let the players control things and I have nothing but respect for Arsenal and Wenger for not letting this happen at our club. We are the longest serving top flight club and have NEVER had serious debt issues since Wenger took control of the first team. I like the financial position we are in and as long as we keep our structure we will continue to be a force in English soccer.

So I don't think that if the player (in this case Adebayor) has come out and basically said that a move to Milan has intrigued him and that he wants to move if the board doesn't triple his salary, supporters should still back him. Personally, if he does not want to stay at the club, then I want him gone as well. And I think that is what Arise was trying to say.

It is. I don't see the point of backing a player that doesn't want to be part of the cause. If he feels that he needs to be paid more to do a job that is expected of him then he can step. Also as he said in one of the many interviews, this move would not be detrimental to the survival of Arsenal and he is correct. Him leaving would be a good thing because the clubs that are interested in him want a ST so bad they are willing to overpay for him. Consider this, Henry was sold for £16M which is less than the £16.5 paid for Darrent Bent and Adebayor is rumored to be sold for £28M and neither player is anywhere near the level of Henry even at his current age. I could have seen more logic in Henry being sold for £28M and Adebayor for £16M, but if we can get more then I am good with that. I have respect for players like Henry because each season he could have left and made more money elsewhere and he never complained about his money either because we would increase it based on his performance which was top class and Adebayor doen't seem to understand this point of view.

Also, in the instance of Flamini. I have never agreed with Arise about Flamini, however, long before he left, Arise was saying how he was not the biggest fan of Flamini. He did not start saying that after he left.

You are correct we have disagreed on Flamini many of times, but I have been consistent in my assessment of him for years, I don't like him and never did and look what ended up happening, he left for free for a larger paycheck and a seat on the Milan bench, gotta love the irony.

In the history of Arsenal there have only be a handful of players that I haven't liked and I have made that clear and never wavered on my dislike of those players. Gallas, Cole, Almunia, and Flamini have always been players that I never liked and I will never change my opinion. However in my dislike of Almunia it is more geared towards him losing the CL for us than anything so I don't really dislike him, just that he lost us a major trophy.

[Thade2532]

i assume you disliked Cole after the tapping up by Chelsea, he was one of my favourite player before all that with Chelsea, he was a gooner through and through and could have been captain in my opinion if he stayed

does anyone know this Amaury Bischoff guy, hes 2 and made 1 appearence for Werder Bremen, i think Wenger has made a mistake here i hope he isnt Flamini's replacement

also ive just seen more pics of Eduardo walking unaided agian and hes got quite a big scar anyone reckon he'll really be back for next season

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Thade2532

i assume you disliked Cole after the tapping up by Chelsea, he was one of my favourite player before all that with Chelsea, he was a gooner through and through and could have been captain in my opinion if he stayed

does anyone know this Amaury Bischoff guy, hes 2 and made 1 appearence for Werder Bremen, i think Wenger has made a mistake here i hope he isnt Flamini's replacement

also ive just seen more pics of Eduardo walking unaided agian and hes got quite a big scar anyone reckon he'll really be back for next season

Actually I started not liking Cole around his first renewal because he was making noise about wanting to be paid on the level of other Arsenal stars when he hadn't been in the first team for too long. Then a 2 years later the Chelsea fiasco only compounded my distaste of him.

I tend to not like players that I do not get a good vibe about there characters and Cole has never had good character. When people were calling him the best LB in the world while at Arsenal I didn't agree then because he didn't carry himself correctly and I ended up being right in my assessment.

In my opinion a player that I was sad to see leave but had to go was Sol Campbell. Sol has impeccable character, but he did have to leave to get himself right again.

I don't look forward to seeing Eduardo this season because this isn't something he should be rushed back from walking unaided or not. Its better for the club if he stays out until completely 100% rather than rush back and have a relapse or risk himself.

I don't know who Bischoff is and I haven't heard about about us signing him but I am not worried because Wenger has made plenty of signings that people questioned and ahve paid off, i.e. Cesc, Sagna, Eboue, Adebayor, etc so how can you doubt him.

[Thade2532]

where is Samir Nasri???????????????????????????????????????

[yarnbury11]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Name any player other than Gallas or Adebayor that I have said I wouldn't care if they left! I have never liked Gallas even when he was at Chelsea and when I heard we were getting him it ****ed me off, and as for Adebayor I have been his staunchest supporter since he arrived at Arsenal. I have supported him while ever other person blasted him and said he wouldn't be anything. You come in this thread once every blue moon and make a post like this. You make it sound like I don't any ARsenal player when that couldn't be further from the truth. I have never wanted a single Arsenal player to be sold and even said I didn't think Sheyi would leave, but truth be told his sale would be good for the club and thats what it is about, the club. I care more about the club than I do individual players because the club will never go anywhere, where as players come and go. There are players I want to see retire at Arsenal, i.e. Cesc, Gilberto, Toure, Walcott, but if they end up moving on then so be it, as long as Arsenal are in a good place I am happy.



I wanted Flamini sold 2 seasons ago when he wasn't contributing for Arsenal. This season was his first season where he actually contributed and I appreciated his efforts, but you can search and search these boards or the internet and you will find that I have never once agreed that Flamini was a good player. I don't agree that he was our most consistent by any means nor was he our best player. You are entitled to your opinion however.



This is just a stupid statement through and through. I am a turncoat because I don't care if certain players are kept or sold, give me a break, now you are just being stupid.



Why would I be frustrated with Adebayor? You make it sound like he is the end all be all of Arsenal when in fact he is not. Any player that does not wish to be part of the cause after signing a contract can step for all I care. Adebayor wants Henry like money despite not playing anywhere near the level of Henry in any way shape or form. Sure he scored 30 goals in all comps, but he easily missed 15 goals in all comps also and some of those misses were vital to getting points or losing. Adebayor is not a player that I would consider irreplacable because truth be told he can be replaced quite easily with better players. How can you say he has importance when he is asking for a 400% raise, oh yeah that is very important lets show our youngsters that we shouldn't honor a contract when we perform well. I have so much respect for players like Cesc because he gets better year after year and never complains once about pay. When a player signs a contract the club expects them to perform top class, but players like Sheyi think that having a stellar season entitles them to more money because they did what we expected them to do.

I am not frustrated one bit about this situation because if the rumors are true and we can milk Milan or Barca (whom seem to like our players each year) then I say go for it because it would be wonderful business to sell a player for £28M that we only paid £7.3M in the first place.



Did I ever say anything about not liking Adebayor? No. I love him as a player and have been supporting him since he joined the club and if he leaves I will still like him as a player, but in the end it comes down to the club, I am Arsenal through and through before I am Adebayor through and through.

You make plenty of assessments and express your opinions and none of your remarks are correct at all. You assume that I don't like him when I have never said such a thing or impled it, you think I don't appreciate him when in fact I do, I really think you should stick to worrying about your own club and there situations because you couldn't be more incorrect when it comes to Arsenal matters and me especially.



Not taking it as anything, wasn't many questions, more like an assessment and incorrect opinions is more like it.

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

You mean quadruple. I found it hilarious when he mentioned things like preparing for my retirement, etc. Fool you are 24 years old why would you be thinking about retirement? I sometimes don't know what players think when they are approached by the press. Adebayor has changed his mind more times than Cristiano Ronaldo when asked about Real Madrid and I just laugh when I see him talk at this point because there is no loyalty to the club.



Most definitely, this shows that he is only after a big check because he played well and that is something we expect ALL of our players to do, but he seems to think that playing well means he should get an automatic £120,000/week. So what happens if he scores 40 goals in a season? Will he then want to be paid £240,000/week?



Exactly and Adebayor should know that Arsenal have a pay structure and have bad for the last 12 years so this isn't anything new to him. I guess he feels that he is the one player that could come in and change how it is all done.



Most definitely, but I don't worry about us not having someone as talented or more talented to replace him. I think we have every bit as much of a chance at getting Huntelaar as United does and to think otherwise would be foolish.



Other clubs let the players control things and I have nothing but respect for Arsenal and Wenger for not letting this happen at our club. We are the longest serving top flight club and have NEVER had serious debt issues since Wenger took control of the first team. I like the financial position we are in and as long as we keep our structure we will continue to be a force in English soccer.



It is. I don't see the point of backing a player that doesn't want to be part of the cause. If he feels that he needs to be paid more to do a job that is expected of him then he can step. Also as he said in one of the many interviews, this move would not be detrimental to the survival of Arsenal and he is correct. Him leaving would be a good thing because the clubs that are interested in him want a ST so bad they are willing to overpay for him. Consider this, Henry was sold for £16M which is less than the £16.5 paid for Darrent Bent and Adebayor is rumored to be sold for £28M and neither player is anywhere near the level of Henry even at his current age. I could have seen more logic in Henry being sold for £28M and Adebayor for £16M, but if we can get more then I am good with that. I have respect for players like Henry because each season he could have left and made more money elsewhere and he never complained about his money either because we would increase it based on his performance which was top class and Adebayor doen't seem to understand this point of view.



You are correct we have disagreed on Flamini many of times, but I have been consistent in my assessment of him for years, I don't like him and never did and look what ended up happening, he left for free for a larger paycheck and a seat on the Milan bench, gotta love the irony.

In the history of Arsenal there have only be a handful of players that I haven't liked and I have made that clear and never wavered on my dislike of those players. Gallas, Cole, Almunia, and Flamini have always been players that I never liked and I will never change my opinion. However in my dislike of Almunia it is more geared towards him losing the CL for us than anything so I don't really dislike him, just that he lost us a major trophy.

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