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[Thade2532]

Arsenal.com Wenger targets two 'real quality' players

[Muzzy]

Hopefully this means another big buy is due. When was the last time we broke £15m on a single player? For Reyes?

[Thade2532]

Originally Posted by Muzzy171

Hopefully this means another big buy is due. When was the last time we broke £15m on a single player? For Reyes?

i think so

i hope we get Richards and Villa

[Muzzy]

Originally Posted by camarsenal07

i think so

i hope we get Richards and Villa

Richards is a long shot. Plus, who would we drop to play him? He'll hardly arrive to play benchwarmer. I wouldn't bench Toure for him, and have to have a long think about doing that to Gallas.

Personally, I think a much more realistic bet is Gattuso from Milan. A real Euro veteran, looking to move, and wants to play in England. I know he isn't a defender, but with Flamini and Gilberto both on the prospective way out, he may be a big option.

[j wheazy]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Once again you are wrong. Eboue only played 19 games this season beacuse of injury and Sagna has alst missed time with injury. At times both were healthy and some times they were rotated.




Walcott's run went downt he middle of the field, if you look at the footage of the game you will see that he played on both the wing and as a second ST. You seriously are blind because even a lalalalalala will notice that he ran downt he middle of the field before drifting to the right corner of the box and passing to Sheyi.





Who gives a lalalalala that he didn't employ the same back four that we started 365 days ago! Had we won the game you would not be lalalalaing right so get over it. If Senderos was on the field it was for a reason, he is the coach you aren't so deal with it.




There's plenty of reasons why! Walcott has been EXTREMELY inconsistent this season and tossing him into the biggest game of our season is reason enough to NOT start him. He was played exactly as he should have been, as a reserve.




What the hell are you talking about? Arsenal are one of the best dead ball teams in the EPL, hell the world for that matter. Ribery would NOT have solved our problems and to think so is lalalalalalaed. Ribery is an attacker, we have plenty of attackers, our problem is defending corners and dead ball situations.





Did I say his best play was up front? No. Let me educate you. Playing as a second ST is not playing up front, it's a bridge between the ST and the midfield, a la Del Piero, Totti, Ronaldinho, Raul, et cetera. Walcott has been started on the wing, but he has scored most of his goals in an Arsenal shirt while being employed as a forward. You do understand that a ST and a Forward to two completely different positions. Cristiano Ronaldo is a perfect example of this, he has scored 37 goals this season and his positio is a winger, but 90% of his goals have come while playing in a forward position, not as a winger. It would be safer to say that Ronaldo is a ST or LF more than to say he is a winger, because that isn't true and the same could be said about Walcott also.

as for eboue....i said the reason for him playing out of position at RM was NOT because of OTHER people being injuried, this is completely true as he played there in preseason.



arsenal are one of the best SET PIECE teams, NOT one of the best DIRECT free kick teams.....you tell me 1 DIRECT free kick we made this year?


playing as a 2nd striker is STILL playing up top.




walcott is NOT effective up top, period. he is NOT a finisher & the reason his run turned out so well was because he went to the wing to finilalalala off. that is where he is good, because he can beat a defender with pace & get behind him for a cross.



as for ribery....we do have plenty of attackers....THEY ARE ALL HURT & CANT PLAY.





just because a coach makes a decision, doesnt make it a correct one. you can follow arsene wenger around with blinders on all your life, but the facts speak for themselves. all the teams that have won the premeirship have spent money, its a proven fact that you cant argue with


wenger is brilliant on finding young talent & making them play well, his selection isnt always the best however. i dont care what you say. senderos was playing because wenger made a mistake & didnt buy a quality CB when he should have

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Muzzy171

Surely that's the point? The Arsenal from previous seasons played for Henry, much rather than around him. Bergkamp was the perfect player to be up alongside Thierry, as he was and still is one of the best creators of goals that the premiership has ever seen. If Henry were to come back now, he'd be below par, because we simply wouldn't be focussed around him any more.

They played that way because they HAD TOO play that way. Now that they know how to play as a unit it would be much easier. I don't know how long you have followed Arsenal or Henry for that matter, but he has always been a provider first, scorer second. In his first 4 seasons at Arsenal he would look to pass first then score second because its in his nature.

Bergkamp wasn't the perfect player to be alongside Henry, any one with an accumen for passing would have faired equally alongside Thierry. If the Sheyi of 2007-2008 where to have been the same player that was along side Henry in 2006-2007 and 2005-2006 we would have seen a completely different Arsenal team.

The season that Henry had 23 assists he was the catalyst for our scoring much like Cesc is the catalyst right now with his 18 assists this season and 12 last season. Each season Arsenal has one player that is the focal point of starting the offense, it was Pires for 3 seasons then Ljungberg for 1 season and then Henry up until he left.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by j wheazy

as for eboue....i said the reason for him playing out of position at RM was NOT because of OTHER people being injuried, this is completely true as he played there in preseason.

Eboue only played RM on a couple of occasions when Sagna was also in the game, and at other times because of INJURIES.

arsenal are one of the best SET PIECE teams, NOT one of the best DIRECT free kick teams.....you tell me 1 DIRECT free kick we made this year?

Ok you have a god point, but Ribery would not have changed that. Franck is not much better than Van Persie so to say 1 man would have changed our midfield situation is incorrect.

playing as a 2nd striker is STILL playing up top.

Wrong. Playing in a 4-4-1-1 where the second ST is deep is not the same as playing up top. You do not know what you are talking about in this regard because playing up top means you are in the penalty area or near it and the second ST doesn't play anywhere near the box, they are for link play and Walcott is made for that role.

walcott is NOT effective up top, period. he is NOT a finisher & the reason his run turned out so well was because he went to the wing to finilalalala off. that is where he is good, because he can beat a defender with pace & get behind him for a cross.

Again you are wrong. Look at Youtube or find a friend that recorded the game. Walcott split the field right downt he middle and the only reason he drifted was because Ade would have been to close to slot off too had he not drawn the defender and the goalie to the rightside, obviously you can see that.

just because a coach makes a decision, doesnt make it a correct one. you can follow arsene wenger around with blinders on all your life, but the facts speak for themselves. all the teams that have won the premeirship have spent money, its a proven fact that you cant argue with

Blinders? You obviously have read a single post I have said in this thread since it was created. I have been saying Arsene should have shopped for years now so I am not arguing that point. Also I can argue that teams who have won the title have spent money. The seasons that Arsenal has won the league we were not even top 5 spenders so your point is incorrect yet again. Had Reyes not cost so much when we initially bought him we wouldn't have even placed top 10 for EPL transfers.

wenger is brilliant on finding young talent & making them play well, his selection isnt always the best however. i dont care what you say. senderos was playing because wenger made a mistake & didnt buy a quality CB when he should have

No one is saying he doesn't make mistakes, he is only human after all but for you to say he cost us the league is VERY INCORRECT, he did no cost us the league. If you recall 2006-2007 he used makeshift lineups on our run to the CL Final and he has always used makeshift lineups in his 12 years in London, this should come as no surprise to you.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Muzzy171

Hopefully this means another big buy is due. When was the last time we broke £15m on a single player? For Reyes?

Actually Reyes only cost us £10.5M with the fee rising another £9.5M with performance escalators which never kicked in. If I'm not mistaken we ended up actually coming ahead in that deal once we got rid of him.

Its kind of funny that our largest transfers were the renewals of Vieira and Henry's contacts following the 2002-2003 season and those aren't really transfers.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Muzzy171

Richards is a long shot. Plus, who would we drop to play him? He'll hardly arrive to play benchwarmer. I wouldn't bench Toure for him, and have to have a long think about doing that to Gallas.

Personally, I think a much more realistic bet is Gattuso from Milan. A real Euro veteran, looking to move, and wants to play in England. I know he isn't a defender, but with Flamini and Gilberto both on the prospective way out, he may be a big option.

Hell I would bench Gallas in a heartbeat. I've never liked Gallas from day one, but if Richards were to come he would be starting RB guaranteed and Sagna would be relegated to 2nd RB. In a perfect world I would love to see Senderos and Gallas sold. I wish Real Madrid were still interested in Gallas because that would be great to see him sold.

[AriseForLife]

Hell if we are going to go for young talent why not just snatch up Lulinha because that kid has some serious potential. I would also like to see Samir Nasir come to Emirates because that too would be nice.

[Thade2532]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Hell I would bench Gallas in a heartbeat. I've never liked Gallas from day one, but if Richards were to come he would be starting RB guaranteed and Sagna would be relegated to 2nd RB. In a perfect world I would love to see Senderos and Gallas sold. I wish Real Madrid were still interested in Gallas because that would be great to see him sold.

i think Richards would be better as a CB hes played well until he had surgery for City

and why do you hate Gallas so much?

[j wheazy]

not sure why you dont like gallas...he has come up with some VERY important goals this season.



as for eboue, he hasnt played anywhere BUT RM this season. he played there in preseason & hasnt been played anywhere else.



i do agree with Nasri though, would be a brilliant player.


and the thing about ribery is this....true VP is very good at direct free kicks, but he is also made of glass. i thought this year would be his break out year with the start he had, but history repeated itself. i think ribery seemed to be the best option as he is a wide player who for the most part stays wide.


thats where we blew it in the first few games that started our poor run. we kept trying to go right down the middle of the field & didnt get wide enough. hleb drifts in, so does rosicky.


as for the 2nd ST, i still consider him a ST & he will be inside the box or at the very least on top of the 18, where a ST should be. walcott will become a good striker, but he isnt there yet, IMO

[Muzzy]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

They played that way because they HAD TOO play that way. Now that they know how to play as a unit it would be much easier. I don't know how long you have followed Arsenal or Henry for that matter, but he has always been a provider first, scorer second. In his first 4 seasons at Arsenal he would look to pass first then score second because its in his nature.

Bergkamp wasn't the perfect player to be alongside Henry, any one with an accumen for passing would have faired equally alongside Thierry. If the Sheyi of 2007-2008 where to have been the same player that was along side Henry in 2006-2007 and 2005-2006 we would have seen a completely different Arsenal team.

The season that Henry had 23 assists he was the catalyst for our scoring much like Cesc is the catalyst right now with his 18 assists this season and 12 last season. Each season Arsenal has one player that is the focal point of starting the offense, it was Pires for 3 seasons then Ljungberg for 1 season and then Henry up until he left.

I've been following Arsenal since 2001, but as a 7 year old you aren't really looking for assists. It's my opinion that Dennis was the perfect partner to Thierry, because that's my view on how we should play. others may think that a fox in the box or an out and out finisher would compliment him better. But two men up top who can slot a ball through any defence and conjure chances out of nothing are the way I would love a team to play, especially if they have the finishing ability that Henry posesses.

I think Henry had that many assists because, like you said, much of our game was played through him. It says something about his ability that we did as well as we did using him so much. He'd still tot up a nice total now that Ade is developing into a lethal attacker himself, but I highly doubt he'd get that ammount again, especially with Fabregas delivering the goods as he is.

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Actually Reyes only cost us £10.5M with the fee rising another £9.5M with performance escalators which never kicked in. If I'm not mistaken we ended up actually coming ahead in that deal once we got rid of him.

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Its kind of funny that our largest transfers were the renewals of Vieira and Henry's contacts following the 2002-2003 season and those aren't really transfers.

Oh, ok. I don't know where I got the figure of 17m from, it just arrived in my head as correct. Henry and Vieira were REALLY expensive, but did they seriously cost more than that a season?

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Hell I would bench Gallas in a heartbeat. I've never liked Gallas from day one, but if Richards were to come he would be starting RB guaranteed and Sagna would be relegated to 2nd RB. In a perfect world I would love to see Senderos and Gallas sold. I wish Real Madrid were still interested in Gallas because that would be great to see him sold.

In a perfect world, we'd sell Senderos and bring in someone who did the buisness. A defending name - Cannavaro perhaps, or an up and coming man like Richards. I think it's sad that people don't like Gallas. Although he's not all there, he's got the passion and drive that not many can match, and he lead us as captain for a good period of the season until his antics at St Andrews, where he was seriously out of order. Surely he'd be dropped for Richards instead of Sagna?

[Thade2532]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Hell if we are going to go for young talent why not just snatch up Lulinha because that kid has some serious potential. I would also like to see Samir Nasir come to Emirates because that too would be nice.

problem with Nasri is that he plays for Marseille and usually when a big club comes in for one of their players theyll bump the price up way high another player of Marseille is Valbuena hes quite good and i reckon hed be a good buy

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by camarsenal07

i think Richards would be better as a CB hes played well until he had surgery for City

and why do you hate Gallas so much?

I've hated Gallas since he was at Chelsea. Gallas only joined Arsenal to spite Chelsea, he didn't join because he liked the club or anything. People attribute our success this season to him and I couldn't disagree any stronger that Gallas played a role and nothing more.

I think when Real Madrid wanted him last season for £11M we should have sold him or packaged him for a deal with Robinho who is the one player I have wanted to see in an Arsenal shirt more than anyone on earth.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by j wheazy

not sure why you dont like gallas...he has come up with some VERY important goals this season.

...he has also made some mistakes also that were equally as costly.

as for eboue, he hasnt played anywhere BUT RM this season. he played there in preseason & hasnt been played anywhere else.

That is incorrect. He played RB in the first game against Liverpool in the CL and he was at RB against Chelsea when we lost 2-1.

i do agree with Nasri though, would be a brilliant player.


and the thing about ribery is this....true VP is very good at direct free kicks, but he is also made of glass. i thought this year would be his break out year with the start he had, but history repeated itself. i think ribery seemed to be the best option as he is a wide player who for the most part stays wide.

I won't lie, but I have never been more shocked than when he joined Bayern Munchen. I just knew that we would make the offer for him and get him signed, but boy was I wrong. I don't think anyone saw that coming.

As for Van Persie, I knew it would be another injury filled season as soon as the first one came. Last season he was on fire then got hurt and that was it, almost exactly the same thing happened this season.

as for the 2nd ST, i still consider him a ST & he will be inside the box or at the very least on top of the 18, where a ST should be. walcott will become a good striker, but he isnt there yet, IMO

I can't see him becoming an out and out ST I think he will be a second ST (CF) in the long run.

[AriseForLife]

Dennis was a good partner for Henry, but I think they kind of cancelled each other out to be honest because Henry is a natural provider who had to be transformed into a lethal finisher. I remember interviews from his early Arsenal days when he said he thought he would be sold because he was rubbish in front of goal since he wasn't used to being deployed in the middle.

I think if Henry came back and with the maturity of Cesc we could easily have Cesc and Henry as creators on the field. Real Madrid do great having Guit, Robinho and Raul creating chances so I know it can be done. Sheyi and Henry had a great chemistry when Henry was with us, as evidenced by him always going to celebrate with him after scoring a goal. With Sheyi now developing into an all around goal scorer that would be exactly what we need.

The reason I mentioned Henry and Vieira is because we resigned them and I think it was Pires also so that cost around 10-15M since they all had increased wages for the 2003-2004 season. Our most expensive signings are Wiltord, Reyes and Walcott, but if we make a move for Nasri that could possible set our record.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by camarsenal07

problem with Nasri is that he plays for Marseille and usually when a big club comes in for one of their players theyll bump the price up way high another player of Marseille is Valbuena hes quite good and i reckon hed be a good buy

Very true, but can you blame them. If I were the owner of a smaller club (even though Marseille used to be a big club) I would jack up the price also since I would be losing a player I developed and who is the face of the club.

I reckon we could get Nasri for £15M and with his age that would be a smart buy since we could sign him to a 5 year deal and get a good return should he ever decide to hold out or ask to be transfered.

The players that I want to see at Arsenal more than any are Robinho (will never happen), Jermey Toulalan because I think he and Cesc would be a SICK midfield. I know people would like to see David Villa but I am not sure if he would be successful in the Premiership. I won't lie and say I wouldn't take him, but I think he would need time to adjust although Valencia when healthy do play similary to Arsenal in some ways.

[AriseForLife]

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, having seen his season dramatically unravel, is already making plans for the next campaign but insisted he is not in the market for Spanish hitman David Villa.

The highly-rated Valencia striker, expected to form a devastating partnership with Liverpool's Fernando Torres at Euro 2008 this summer, has spoken of his admiration for the Gunners.

But Wenger says he is more concerned with keeping the current squad together and feels it is his defence rather than his attack that would be a priority if he is to bolster.

"That's my first target, to keep the team together," said the Frenchman. "We want to continue to respect our wages structure because I feel that is very important."

Wenger, in response to Villa's comments, added: "He made a big compliment to the team.

"We have many requests from players who want to join. But I feel up front I need to give time to (Theo) Walcott and (Nicklas) Bendtner because they have made big improvement for me this season.

"Theo is coming on so I need to give them a chance or they will not come out."

[M1ZZ0U]

Looks like Arsene feels Carlos Vela is prime for a return from Osasuna on loan. I saw a couple of his games this year and he's looked brilliant at times while playing very solid consistently.

With his youth (1 8 years old) passing skills & potential, seems like now would be the right time to bring him back. Especially with questions surrounding; Hleb & Rosicky.

[Nixo10]

Nasri 15 million pounds? You do know the minimum offer we can make for him is 17-19mp? Which will probably rise to 25 mp because thats what these kind of clubs would do. Nasri is a fantastic player, ive watched him play for Marseille and some of his goals have been spectacular to watch, but hes an extremely valued player in Marseille so i highly doubt we would get him for even near 15mp. Ben Arfa is unlikely to be joining Arsenal since he claimed he is happy at Lyon and is looking forward to extend his contract. David Villa is a fantastic player, he would be THE PERFECT signing for us this summer. But as usual, Wenger just shakes his head... I have been watching both the Davids of Valencia play, Villa and Silva, and they both are spectacular players. I'd be glad to see any of them join Arsenal. David Silva would be a great replacement for Hleb.

[Matieo10]

Originally Posted by M1ZZ0U

Looks like Arsene feels Carlos Vela is prime for a return from Osasuna on loan. I saw a couple of his games this year and he's looked brilliant at times while playing very solid consistently.

With his youth (1 8 years old) passing skills & potential, seems like now would be the right time to bring him back. Especially with questions surrounding; Hleb & Rosicky.

Yeah I agree, Vela has been good for Osasuna, especially one of the more outstanding players when they played Madrid...he even panna'd Sergio Ramous

[Muzzy]

YouTube - Carlos Vela Goal for Osasuna vs Real Betis

^ Clicky, goal #3. He's got it.

[Muzzy]

BBC SPORT | Football | Premier League | Live - Premier League

Just in case anybody is interested, considering this is our team and all. 2-0 at half time.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Nixo10

Nasri 15 million pounds? You do know the minimum offer we can make for him is 17-19mp? Which will probably rise to 25 mp because thats what these kind of clubs would do. Nasri is a fantastic player, ive watched him play for Marseille and some of his goals have been spectacular to watch, but hes an extremely valued player in Marseille so i highly doubt we would get him for even near 15mp. Ben Arfa is unlikely to be joining Arsenal since he claimed he is happy at Lyon and is looking forward to extend his contract. David Villa is a fantastic player, he would be THE PERFECT signing for us this summer. But as usual, Wenger just shakes his head... I have been watching both the Davids of Valencia play, Villa and Silva, and they both are spectacular players. I'd be glad to see any of them join Arsenal. David Silva would be a great replacement for Hleb.

You are assuming the offer would go to £25M. I guarantee that Nasri will not cost anyone over £15-18.5M. Bayern Munchen paid Marseille £19.7M for Franck Ribery and Samir Nasri is NOT better than Ribery. Nasri is younger than Ribery, but there is no guarantee that he will be better than Franck. If Arsenal wanted to buy Nasri they could get him for £15M, but we won't make a bid for him unless we sell Hleb or Rosicky, and I can see Rosicky being sold.

As for Villa he is not the perfect signing for us. You are once again making the assumption he would be perfect for us. Villa is not Fernando Torres and to assume he would come over and play as Fernando has is silly. Spaniards that start in the Primera and then come to the EPL do not fair well and that is fact that you have to admit. Torres is the first in a long line of former La Liga players to have come to the EPL. Villa in my opinion would be a decent player, but he would not light up the EPL because over the last 2 seasons his form has dipped for Valencia.

I'm not sure why people keep saying Ben Arfa would be a good signing for us because Toulalan would benefit us much more since he is more suited to what we currently need.