Arsenal FC Thread

[AriseForLife]

I'm not saying we should sell him........yet. I am just saying that there are other players out there we could buy who would be more impacting.

[Nixo10]

Well i dont feel a CM is what we need unless Flamini and Gilberto leave. I think we should sign a good Bench-CB, a L/RM, and a ST/CF and a good experienced player of any position who could play in the starting lineup. And i hope Wenger appoints someone else as a captain for next season. Hopefully Fabregas or Toure.

[angrymike23]

to be fair to diaby he is played well out of position, i think he will be class when he gets a run in cm (if). i wish wenger had bought ribery though before bayern did, we were linked with him for 2 seasons in a row but we didnt want to pay too much. anyone know if carlos vela is any good? havent seen him play in the spanish primera

[j wheazy]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Arsene did not cost us the league. The players cost us the league. I will admit that we should have bought players a long time ago, but I will not say that he cost us the league because he can't score goals or defend, or be carded for handballs, et cetera.

arsene did cost us the leauge....his teams he picked werent correct. eboue as a RM & toure as a RB, with senderos as a CB......

why not put eboue at RB, which is where he plays his best.

toure as a CB where he plays his best & walcott on the wing, where he plays his best


his decisions cost us the champions league, along with the bad ref calls. but if he wasnt playing his players out of position, 3 of the goals wouldnt have happened in the 1st place. senderos was at fault for the 1st 2 & toure out of position was at fault for the 3rd......walcott was the reason for us going through in the 1st place



and he certainly cost us by not going into the transfer market when we were obviously short at the back

Originally Posted by Nixo10

Ben Arfa
David Bentley
Patrick Viera (If Flamini is to leave)

I heard Aguero has been linked to Arsenal and Chelsea, but i don't see it happening since he is loving Madrid so much.

you must be kidding with bentley & viera...yes viera is a GOD, but he is old & has been hurt all year. he was hurt for a long time the year he left too if i remember correctly.


bentley slams us any chance he gets & i dont think we need someone with his selfish attitude coming into th squad


ben arfa is a great player & certainly would fit into the squad

Originally Posted by Nixo10

What do you mean Diaby is lalalala? I think he's a great player.

diaby is a good player, you seem to forget that he had his ankle broken in half last year. it takes time to come back from that & he has done well playing out of position on the wing. he has scored some timely goals & for me, he will become a better player than flamini, who has only had a single good season.

[RevolutionMikE5]

bently, selfish?

[j wheazy]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo22000

bently, selfish?

haha i hope thats sarcasm

[Thade2532]

Originally Posted by angrymike23

to be fair to diaby he is played well out of position, i think he will be class when he gets a run in cm (if). i wish wenger had bought ribery though before bayern did, we were linked with him for 2 seasons in a row but we didnt want to pay too much. anyone know if carlos vela is any good? havent seen him play in the spanish primera

Vela's been fairly good for Osasuna this season hes scored a few

heres his 1st goal YouTube - Carlos Vela 1er gol con Osasuna 31oct07 the 2nd goal by Osasuna

and for Ribery Marseille overvalued him i think but he would have been good for us

[j wheazy]

ribery would have won us the league this season, no doubt about that. thats the player he should have splashed the cash on. he creates & scores goals. would have fit in perfectly & filled a spot we most desperately needed filled

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by angrymike23

to be fair to diaby he is played well out of position, i think he will be class when he gets a run in cm (if). i wish wenger had bought ribery though before bayern did, we were linked with him for 2 seasons in a row but we didnt want to pay too much. anyone know if carlos vela is any good? havent seen him play in the spanish primera

That's not true. The reason we didn't sign Franck Ribery is because Wenger didn't think we needed him. Marseille were only asking £15m for him and we could have easily paid that seeing as we paid £10m for Hleb and Rosicky each and he is better than both of them.

As for Vela he is a talent, but they tout him as a ST when in fact he will be an attacking midfielder or a forward for us. He is too small to be an out and out ST in the EPL.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by j wheazy

arsene did cost us the leauge....his teams he picked werent correct. eboue as a RM & toure as a RB, with senderos as a CB......

why not put eboue at RB, which is where he plays his best.

toure as a CB where he plays his best & walcott on the wing, where he plays his best

his decisions cost us the champions league, along with the bad ref calls. but if he wasnt playing his players out of position, 3 of the goals wouldnt have happened in the 1st place. senderos was at fault for the 1st 2 & toure out of position was at fault for the 3rd......walcott was the reason for us going through in the 1st place

and he certainly cost us by not going into the transfer market when we were obviously short at the back.

You can't be serious! Arsene Wenger DID NOT cost us the league and if you feel that then in my opinion you are delusional. Eboue played RM when we had injuries until he too was also injured. If you play him at RB then who do we play on the RM? Since we were thin because of injuries you would have to have Toure at the right because he can run and he can control the ball, it would be lalalalalalaed to play Senderos at RB because he would be worse than having a 10 year old girl playing RB. Saying Wenger cost us the league is the talk of someone that really doesn't know what they are talking about.

As I said before you can't play Eboue at RB with injuries to Sagna, Hleb, and Rosicky at different times during the season. Obviously he knows that he is a natural RB seeing as he is the one that gave him the chance to shine in the position.

Walcott does not play his best on the wing, he plays his best as a forward or a second ST. Against Liverpool his amazing run was for the forward position where he was deployed for much of the time. Toure is a natural CB but once again with injuries he had to do what he had to do and anyone that knows the team could obviously see that.

You are seriously on something if you think he cost us the Champions League. I am not even going to discuss that with you because its obvious you are in the camp that says he is all that is wrong with ARsenal. He has played people out of position plenty of times in his 10 years at the club and still won games. Hell Flamini was our RB for much of last season and at times Cesc played a defensive CM role, INJURIES FORCE YOU TO HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. You need to understand that then come back and talk to me or anyone that knows that game for that matter.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by j wheazy

ribery would have won us the league this season, no doubt about that. thats the player he should have splashed the cash on. he creates & scores goals. would have fit in perfectly & filled a spot we most desperately needed filled

Not true.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Nixo10

Well i dont feel a CM is what we need unless Flamini and Gilberto leave. I think we should sign a good Bench-CB, a L/RM, and a ST/CF and a good experienced player of any position who could play in the starting lineup. And i hope Wenger appoints someone else as a captain for next season. Hopefully Fabregas or Toure.

We need a CM regardless of whether Flamini resigns or not. Gilberto is 50/50 at this point but if he stays that gives us the leadership we need and a good filler at CB. We need a LM like Pedersen and I will go out on a limb and say that resigning Thierry Henry would be smart. Henry has said he will not return to London, but if he did come back that would be wonderful since the maturation of Sheyi woudl give him a partner in attack that he has never had since he was at Arsenal. Since Henry is so versatile he would be great playing the CF role with Sheyi playing the ST role. Since Rijkaard is insistent on playing Henry at LW and Henry's desire to get back to playing ST, I think Barca would accept a cut price deal on him which means we could keep some of the £16m they paid us for him.

Now on a more realistic note I think we should make the £18m offer and try to get Klaus-Jan Huntelaar or at least be in the running for him. Since Juventus are keen on signing Flamini and Gilberto I think we should let one of them go and see if we can get Chiellini in the return because he would give us great cover at RB/LB and some LM/RM since he is versatile. I think that David Trezeguet would also make a nice addition to the team despite being 30 years old. I know that Wenger would make acceptions to give some players who are 30 more than single year deals.

He did say he woudl only sign an experience player as long as they fit and I think that is a great hint that someone like Henry would be welcomed back to Arsenal. Hell I think that Henry would be better on a second go round since the youngsters have matured and they would not just sit back and watch him play as they did before he left. I think the chemistry would be great as a whole unit, and Henry had great chemsitry with Sheyi the last two seasons they played togethter.

[Nixo10]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

We need a CM regardless of whether Flamini resigns or not. Gilberto is 50/50 at this point but if he stays that gives us the leadership we need and a good filler at CB. We need a LM like Pedersen and I will go out on a limb and say that resigning Thierry Henry would be smart. Henry has said he will not return to London, but if he did come back that would be wonderful since the maturation of Sheyi woudl give him a partner in attack that he has never had since he was at Arsenal. Since Henry is so versatile he would be great playing the CF role with Sheyi playing the ST role. Since Rijkaard is insistent on playing Henry at LW and Henry's desire to get back to playing ST, I think Barca would accept a cut price deal on him which means we could keep some of the £16m they paid us for him.

Now on a more realistic note I think we should make the £18m offer and try to get Klaus-Jan Huntelaar or at least be in the running for him. Since Juventus are keen on signing Flamini and Gilberto I think we should let one of them go and see if we can get Chiellini in the return because he would give us great cover at RB/LB and some LM/RM since he is versatile. I think that David Trezeguet would also make a nice addition to the team despite being 30 years old. I know that Wenger would make acceptions to give some players who are 30 more than single year deals.

He did say he woudl only sign an experience player as long as they fit and I think that is a great hint that someone like Henry would be welcomed back to Arsenal. Hell I think that Henry would be better on a second go round since the youngsters have matured and they would not just sit back and watch him play as they did before he left. I think the chemistry would be great as a whole unit, and Henry had great chemsitry with Sheyi the last two seasons they played togethter.

I dont think Henry will do so well in Arsenal if we play the way we have this season. He plays better when he demands the ball and has control of the team, etc. I think he would find it tough playing as a neutral. As much as I love Henry, i dont think it would be the right decision for him and the club to re-sign him. I feel the signing of Trez would be much more preffered than Henry. Trez is amazing, i've watched him play in the Serie B last season and some matches in Serie A this season, he's IMO a great choice to partner Adebayor next season. Huntelaar was my dream signing for the past 3 years but I feel we need an experienced striker, not a young one like Huntelaar. Last season or before that i would love Huntelaar to join us, but at this stage, after the departure of Henry, you could see that we lacked the mentality and experience infront. Why do you think we still need a CM even if Flamini and Gilberto stay? Our CM roles are packed. We got Flamini and Fabregas as the starters, the replacements are Gilberto, Diaby, Denilson and even Song can play.

[Scuba Steve]

I know we aren't all in agreement as to which players need to be brought in, but do we all agree that players do need to be brought in? I just fear that Arsene wont be looking to splash the cash again, when I think its clear that we need to. I don't think its necessarily true that we got the best names available, or world class players, but I think that Arsenal are missing experienced players, who know how to win when the going gets tough, something that Arsenal clearly could not do this year.

[KnightFist]

we are now fighting amongst ourselves

[Thade2532]

Amauri of Palermo is 1 person thats starting to be linked alot now

[DBond5]

Originally Posted by camarsenal07

Amauri of Palermo is 1 person thats starting to be linked alot now

Personally, don't like him.

[Thade2532]

Originally Posted by DBond5

Personally, don't like him.

how good is he??

[DBond5]

Originally Posted by camarsenal07

how good is he??

Not worth the money they're talking about. But to be fair, Ive heard differnet figures on various websites ranging from 4mil to 19mil.

He's not bad on the ball, but personally I think he's more equipped to Serie A and in my opinion could find it difficult to adapt to the English game.

Edit; Plus he's 27 so aint gonna be long till he's off loaded, that is, if we get him.

[angrymike23]

havent seen much of him, a few goals on channel 5's football italiano, i dont really want him just because sheva was insane for ac milan, and now look at him. i hope wenger goes for david villa cant see it happening though.

[j wheazy]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

You can't be serious! Arsene Wenger DID NOT cost us the league and if you feel that then in my opinion you are delusional. Eboue played RM when we had injuries until he too was also injured. If you play him at RB then who do we play on the RM? Since we were thin because of injuries you would have to have Toure at the right because he can run and he can control the ball, it would be lalalalalalaed to play Senderos at RB because he would be worse than having a 10 year old girl playing RB. Saying Wenger cost us the league is the talk of someone that really doesn't know what they are talking about.


Walcott does not play his best on the wing, he plays his best as a forward or a second ST. Against Liverpool his amazing run was for the forward position where he was deployed for much of the time. Toure is a natural CB but once again with injuries he had to do what he had to do and anyone that knows the team could obviously see that.

eboue played RM because we bought sagna, NOT because of injuries.


walcott came on for Eboue in the liverpool game & played on the wing, thats where that run came from, he wasnt playing striker. he started on the right of our penatly box & ran to the right of liverpool penalty box, which is why he played a square ball to adebayor in the middle..



the 1st 3 goals were wengers fault, IMO.....senderos shouldnt have been on the field when you could have a back four that looks like this



clichy----gallas---toure---eboue.



does that look familiar to you? its because thats the SAME back 4 we had last season.


theres no reason walcott shouldnt have started against liverpool, who have one of the slowest defenses around.





ribery would have solved our midfield problems & also can take direct free kicks, which is something Man U capitalize on & we cant.



and walcott has scored more goals playing on the wing than up front, he has the ability to get around defenders & his most impressive performances where on the wing this season. not sure how you can say his best play is up front???

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Nixo10

I dont think Henry will do so well in Arsenal if we play the way we have this season. He plays better when he demands the ball and has control of the team, etc. I think he would find it tough playing as a neutral. As much as I love Henry, i dont think it would be the right decision for him and the club to re-sign him. I feel the signing of Trez would be much more preffered than Henry. Trez is amazing, i've watched him play in the Serie B last season and some matches in Serie A this season, he's IMO a great choice to partner Adebayor next season. Huntelaar was my dream signing for the past 3 years but I feel we need an experienced striker, not a young one like Huntelaar. Last season or before that i would love Huntelaar to join us, but at this stage, after the departure of Henry, you could see that we lacked the mentality and experience infront. Why do you think we still need a CM even if Flamini and Gilberto stay? Our CM roles are packed. We got Flamini and Fabregas as the starters, the replacements are Gilberto, Diaby, Denilson and even Song can play.

Henry would do extremely well in the current Arsenal team. If you look at this years team, from the previous season, everyone's assist numbers are down, especially Fabregas (once our form dipped, even though he does have a new career high with 19). Henry is a provider/scorer and if Adebayor could keep his scoring tact up then we would be very well off since Henry NEVER had a ST partner that could focus on scoring and let him do his thing. Bergkamp was never a direct scoring threat, he was more of a provider, Kanu was similar to Henry in areas, Wiltord wasn't a box threat, Jeffers was just pure lalalala, which leaves up with Adebayor who has adjusted to being the main scorer. Even though we will not resign Henry, if he were to return he would flourish so I have to disagree strongly with you.

Trezeguet will not join Arsenal, we would have a better chance of signing Critiano Ronaldo than Trez because he has no desire to join Arsenal since his original reason for joining was to play with Henry. Trez also wouldn't work because he is too similar to Adebayor, except that Sheyi has better ball control when attacking the goal. David is a great player and I have always liked him, but at this point I would not like to see him in the Arsenal team. Huntelaar would be a good signing, but I think we need more of a creative forward a la Henry than another facing forward a la Sheyi.

I don't understand what you are talkinga bout when you say we lacked the mentality and experience in front! We were the 3rd highest scoring team in the EPL. Our problems had less to do with scoring and more with defending and keeping the flow consistent. During our good run of form Cesc was carving up the middle, but as the season dragged on his form dipped severely.

You just stated the reasons why we need a CM. If Gilberto or Flamini leave, or both leave, we have Song (lalalala), Diaby (lalalala), and then no one else. Cesc is a lock, Flamini played his first good season in the middle so that is nothing worth blowing out of proportion, and Gilberto may end up leaving to Juventus which I hope he does so he can keep playing on. Denilson has great potential, but he doesn't get enough games and I don't see the coming season being his breakout party. We need to add a good or great CM to partner Cesc and then go from there.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by j wheazy

eboue played RM because we bought sagna, NOT because of injuries.

Once again you are wrong. Eboue only played 19 games this season beacuse of injury and Sagna has alst missed time with injury. At times both were healthy and some times they were rotated.

walcott came on for Eboue in the liverpool game & played on the wing, thats where that run came from, he wasnt playing striker. he started on the right of our penatly box & ran to the right of liverpool penalty box, which is why he played a square ball to adebayor in the middle..

Walcott's run went downt he middle of the field, if you look at the footage of the game you will see that he played on both the wing and as a second ST. You seriously are blind because even a lalalalalala will notice that he ran downt he middle of the field before drifting to the right corner of the box and passing to Sheyi.

the 1st 3 goals were wengers fault, IMO.....senderos shouldnt have been on the field when you could have a back four that looks like this

clichy----gallas---toure---eboue.

does that look familiar to you? its because thats the SAME back 4 we had last season.

Who gives a lalalalala that he didn't employ the same back four that we started 365 days ago! Had we won the game you would not be lalalalaing right so get over it. If Senderos was on the field it was for a reason, he is the coach you aren't so deal with it.

theres no reason walcott shouldnt have started against liverpool, who have one of the slowest defenses around.

There's plenty of reasons why! Walcott has been EXTREMELY inconsistent this season and tossing him into the biggest game of our season is reason enough to NOT start him. He was played exactly as he should have been, as a reserve.

ribery would have solved our midfield problems & also can take direct free kicks, which is something Man U capitalize on & we cant.

What the hell are you talking about? Arsenal are one of the best dead ball teams in the EPL, hell the world for that matter. Ribery would NOT have solved our problems and to think so is lalalalalalaed. Ribery is an attacker, we have plenty of attackers, our problem is defending corners and dead ball situations.

and walcott has scored more goals playing on the wing than up front, he has the ability to get around defenders & his most impressive performances where on the wing this season. not sure how you can say his best play is up front???

Did I say his best play was up front? No. Let me educate you. Playing as a second ST is not playing up front, it's a bridge between the ST and the midfield, a la Del Piero, Totti, Ronaldinho, Raul, et cetera. Walcott has been started on the wing, but he has scored most of his goals in an Arsenal shirt while being employed as a forward. You do understand that a ST and a Forward to two completely different positions. Cristiano Ronaldo is a perfect example of this, he has scored 37 goals this season and his positio is a winger, but 90% of his goals have come while playing in a forward position, not as a winger. It would be safer to say that Ronaldo is a ST or LF more than to say he is a winger, because that isn't true and the same could be said about Walcott also.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by angrymike23

havent seen much of him, a few goals on channel 5's football italiano, i dont really want him just because sheva was insane for ac milan, and now look at him. i hope wenger goes for david villa cant see it happening though.

Have you ever noticed that anytime a player mentions they would like to come to Arsenal, we never sign them. Ribery, Guti, Richards, Babel, and countless others now included David Villa. You could say that once you say you want to join Arsenal, you are basically assuring that you will never join us.

I think David would be a great addition, and we could easily afford him, but Wenger's stubborness in the transfer market is about to nix that idea.

[Muzzy]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Henry NEVER had a ST partner that could focus on scoring and let him do his thing.

Surely that's the point? The Arsenal from previous seasons played for Henry, much rather than around him. Bergkamp was the perfect player to be up alongside Thierry, as he was and still is one of the best creators of goals that the premiership has ever seen. If Henry were to come back now, he'd be below par, because we simply wouldn't be focussed around him any more.