Arsenal FC Thread

[Matieo10]

Actually...I find it the complete opposite, maybe because it's a UK thing. In Portugal and most of Europe, when they refer to those players you mentioned, they're considered as Forwards.

In the Portugal, most wingers are considered Forwards. Not Midfielders.

[ForeverBlue'86]

Originally Posted by Matieo10

Actually...I find it the complete opposite, maybe because it's a UK thing. In Portugal and most of Europe, when they refer to those players you mentioned, they're considered as Forwards.

In the Portugal, most wingers are considered Forwards. Not Midfielders.

Walcott/Sinclair would be considered more of a foward, Lennons an out an out winger though.

Bit nit picky when people mention whose the best in those positions though, cause you'll hear someone say so an so is the best winger in the world only for someone else to say they're a foward...

[Thade2532]

Lets get Samir Nasri

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by ChelseablueDCU26

Wingers arent midfielders. Wingers are attacking WIngers, whereas David Beckham wouldve been referred to as a wide midfielder.


Winger usually refers to wide players of a 4-3-3, or sometimes the wides on a 4-5-1


Wide midfielders usually play in a 4-4-2


Although in agreeince with Arise, Ive never heard of LWG anywhere

Actually a true 4-3-3 has no wingers. The midfield in a 4-3-3 consists of RCM-CM-LCM because it relies more on the middlemen being full out providers/holders, and the attackers are RF-CF-LF where as the CF can also be a ST which is what Real Madrid does from time to time.

Wingers are midfielders they only call them wingers because they are on tip of the formation or the 'wing'-tips as the old-timers used to say.

In the 4-5-1, it's technically a 4-3-2-1 since the 2-1 are actually RCAM-LCAM-ST. It really comes down the the coach because most of the formations are interchangable, I mean if you look at Arsenal and the 4-4-2 you could compare it to the 4-4-1-1 that Valencia used to play which is more of a 4-2-2-1-1 since 2 of the midfielders sit deep and Vicente and Joaquin are out wide in an advanced position with Villa offset to Morientes or Silva or vice-versa. I think managers just lineup a formation and base it on the talent they have at there disposal because Inter also use a 4-4-2 but it's more of a defensive 4-4-2 than Arsenal's attacking 4-4-2. Inter also run a 4-5-1 but it's nothing like Arsenal's 4-5-1 or Real Madrid's 4-5-1.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Nixo10

Well when i read articles and hear the commentry, they refer Malouda, Ronaldo, Walcott ,Lennon , Ribery all as wingers when they play midfield so yeah wingers can be midfielders..

Actually it's only in England that Malouda, Ribery, and Ronaldo are called midfielders. In Europe they are actually called forwards.

Ronaldinho is a midfielders, but he is called a Forward by just about everyone on the continent. In the UK a winger is what Europe would refer to as a LF, RF, etcetera.

Spain, Netherlands, Germany, France, Italy all refer to players like Robinho, Ribery, Nasri, Ronaldinho as Forwards, but in the UK they would be called midfielders except for Robinho who would be called a ST.

Also I don't recall who said Henry is a LWG for Barca, but that would be incorrect, for Barca he plays the same position he played for Arsenal, CF. Barca's trident attack is LF-ST-RF with Ronaldinho-Eto'o-Messi, but with Eto'o out hurt again they run a LF-CF-RF with the CF dropped back a little deep or advanced up a tad bit like Juventus used to do with Del Piero.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by camarsenal07

Lets get Samir Nasri

Nasri is good, but he is going to be WAY overpriced after another season in Ligue 1. Real are already talking about £25M which is completely ridiculous, and Marseille declined that amount so you can only wonder how much they are wanting to milk out of clubs for him.

It also doesn't help that Arsenal are now one of the richest clubs (as I've been saying for years) having published a huge turnover and everyone knowing of Arsene's love of young talented French players. I guarantee that Marseille would almost want to have that number doubled based on the fact alone.

I think we should go after Jeremy Toulalan or Kareem Benzema more so than Nasri. The former players suit are style more than Nasri does. I think that is one reason why Wenger never went after Ribery, he doesn't really fit into how Arsenal play the game.

[Thade2532]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Nasri is good, but he is going to be WAY overpriced after another season in Ligue 1. Real are already talking about £25M which is completely ridiculous, and Marseille declined that amount so you can only wonder how much they are wanting to milk out of clubs for him.

It also doesn't help that Arsenal are now one of the richest clubs (as I've been saying for years) having published a huge turnover and everyone knowing of Arsene's love of young talented French players. I guarantee that Marseille would almost want to have that number doubled based on the fact alone.

I think we should go after Jeremy Toulalan or Kareem Benzema more so than Nasri. The former players suit are style more than Nasri does. I think that is one reason why Wenger never went after Ribery, he doesn't really fit into how Arsenal play the game.

i agree with Benzema hes quality and i think hes around 19

[Bhav406]

YOU ARESENAL NOOBS R SOOOO ***....Allow posting **** abat Arsenal and all its facts...NO 1 CARES!!

[Robalenko]

Originally Posted by rangerbsh6

That's when I first started watching.I dunno why,I just find them the most appealing.

I hear you. When I started supporting west ham TECHNICALLY (About 8 years old) I was in love with the colour combo of their kits So my dad and I would watch a game and he wouls scream out and cheer when the ball went into the net, so I would do that as well When I was 12 I went to my first game and really had a good time. I got pictures outside the shop and bought a shirt. I had always been asking my dad how we had done, and he would say, beat ipswich, or something like that. I never took a full blown interest of the sport until the 2004-05 season. I started watching it with my dad, and when we were promoted I got excited by all the different teams we would get to face. 2 games into the 2005-06 season, and I was hooked. SO I have been a full out supporter of mine, and my dad's club for almost 4 seasons. Everybody started to support their club a different way, so I say it's really great that you enjoy watching them play. My cousin supports chelsea, and he wont watch games because they are so repetitive

[ChelseablueDCU26]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Actually a true 4-3-3 has no wingers. The midfield in a 4-3-3 consists of RCM-CM-LCM because it relies more on the middlemen being full out providers/holders, and the attackers are RF-CF-LF where as the CF can also be a ST which is what Real Madrid does from time to time.

Wingers are midfielders they only call them wingers because they are on tip of the formation or the 'wing'-tips as the old-timers used to say.

In the 4-5-1, it's technically a 4-3-2-1 since the 2-1 are actually RCAM-LCAM-ST. It really comes down the the coach because most of the formations are interchangable, I mean if you look at Arsenal and the 4-4-2 you could compare it to the 4-4-1-1 that Valencia used to play which is more of a 4-2-2-1-1 since 2 of the midfielders sit deep and Vicente and Joaquin are out wide in an advanced position with Villa offset to Morientes or Silva or vice-versa. I think managers just lineup a formation and base it on the talent they have at there disposal because Inter also use a 4-4-2 but it's more of a defensive 4-4-2 than Arsenal's attacking 4-4-2. Inter also run a 4-5-1 but it's nothing like Arsenal's 4-5-1 or Real Madrid's 4-5-1.

That's all relative to how the coach wants to play it.

You could play a centre heavy 4-5-1 with two midfielders slotted in behind the striker...or you could play 4-5-1 with the wingers pushed up...more of a 4-2-3-1. The problem is that 4-3-3 and 4-5-1 and 4-4-2 are all too general to classify which players are in which positions.


I disagree though that a 4-3-3 doesnt involve wingers. You could, but I dont fancy much success playing three out and out strikers.

[rangerbsh6]

Arsenal beat Bucharest from a late goal by Robin.We're six points out of six right now.

[Matieo10]

What a goal it was aswell.

Do you know any other player in the world, that can generate power and curve in a short distance the way Van Persie does? Inside Curve that is...it's remarkable how well he hits that ball.

[OLAJIDE45]

shame, they didnt put walcott, on...and he was getting ready aswell...

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by ChelseablueDCU26

That's all relative to how the coach wants to play it.

You could play a centre heavy 4-5-1 with two midfielders slotted in behind the striker...or you could play 4-5-1 with the wingers pushed up...more of a 4-2-3-1.


I disagree though that a 4-3-3 doesnt involve wingers. You could, but I dont fancy much success playing three out and out strikers.

Um ok. If you played a 4-5-1 with the wide men pushed up to be more of a 4-2-3-1 it would no longer be a 4-5-1, it would be a 4-2-3-1 like you said.

A 4-3-3 doesn't involve wingers because the midfield is employed by a RM-CM-LM were the RM and LM are not wingers. The attack line in a 4-3-3 is not three out and out ST, it's 3 forwards like Barcelona or 2 forwards and a striker, where the striker is in the middle. The only team I have ever seen run a 4-3-3 with three strikers is Newcastle back when they had Shearer, Jon Dahl Tomasson, and I can't remember the 3rd, but that attack is the only time I've ever seen that formation used with all ST and no F's.

[ChelseablueDCU26]

No the 4-3-3 is NOT like a 4-2-3-1. When Chelsea play it, most notably in 04/05 they had 5 atackers, more so a 4-1-2-2-1

Cech
Ferreira Gallas Terry Bridge
Makelele
Tiago Lampard
Duff Robben
Eidur

Barcelona like you say with 2 forwards and a striker, in that case it is a 4-3-3 and Messi and Ronaldinho likely play as wingers.

[Matieo10]

Guy there is no 4-3-3 like that...it's the 4-3-2-1 like:

.........GK........
D.....D....D....D
..M.....M....M...
RWM........LWM
.........ST........

??

[dittoRaul]

4-5-1 effectively?

[ChelseablueDCU26]

Originally Posted by Matieo10

Guy there is no 4-3-3 like that...it's the 4-3-2-1 like:

.........GK........
D.....D....D....D
..M.....M....M...
RWM........LWM
.........ST........

??

yes except the central mid is dopped a bit behind the two outside central mids.

----Makelele----
Essien------Lampard

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by ChelseablueDCU26

yes except the central mid is dopped a bit behind the two outside central mids.

----Makelele----
Essien------Lampard

Ok but that is still not a 4-3-3 with wingers. The 4-3-3 doesn't use wingers. The reason the 4-3-3 uses a RM and LM is because they are expected to play more defense with a lack of a 4th midfielder and wingers typically DO NOT play any defense whatsoever, a la Cristiano Ronaldo, Arjen Robben, Vicente, Pavel Nedved (at Lazio and early Juventus), etcetera.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by ChelseablueDCU26

Barcelona like you say with 2 forwards and a striker, in that case it is a 4-3-3 and Messi and Ronaldinho likely play as wingers.

Messi and Ronaldinho play like forwards in Barca's 4-3-3. Only Ronaldinho ever drops back to the midfield, and Henry has been dropping deep from the CF position even more than Messi has been lately. There are few formations that actually imploy wingers in the last 25% of the pitch and in the formations that do the 4-2-3-1(4-5-1 variation) is the most commonly used. Manchester United run a 4-4-2 with wingers instead of the common RM/LM and Arsenal used to do the same thing with Pires and Ljungberg.

[Matieo10]

geez all this talk about formations makes me think about practice, and the grueling torture of perfecting it in-game...my coach was one to change formation all the time.

[ForeverBlue'86]

Haven't read the argument here, but saw our formation mentioned...

Our formation WAS a 4-1-2-2-1 formation with Maka (Maybe a 4-3-2-1 when Parker was fit). I take it some people are getting all their formations off of the FIFA games?

[reddevils4ever89]

who cares? 4-3-3 can be same as 4-5-1 when defending

god u people have taken this formation thing waaaaaaaaaay to serious UTD play 4-4-2 but sometimes its 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 or 4-1-2-2-1 or 4-1-4-1 or 4-2-2-2

formation talk is pointless

[smeltzerinho]

says you, who nearly cried when someone suggested Man.Utd should play 4-3-3

[reddevils4ever89]

oh yeah that annoys me cause any true utd fan would know 4-3-3 is NOT for us it makes us boring and negative. instead of 4-3-3 we end up playin 4-5-1