Arsenal FC Thread - Page 278

kop2k8 · 07-07-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Its nothing like that. I understand its your opinion, but look at what you said. Anyone that knows .0000000001% about football would never say what you said, opinion or not.

Liverpool have him rated at £18M and he hasn't ruled out going to Real Madrid. If Real offered £15M I think they would take it. He did have a good season this year, but last year was better in my opinion and thats when Rafa was ready to offload him.

We actually have him rated at over 30m now because real seem to be willing to offer stupid money and they have always wanted alonso, perez in particular, since he was emerging along with xavi as spains best two young midfielders whilst at sociedad. Last season he was rated 18m but juve where trying to cheap scates and avoid paying that fee.

This season he has been liverpool fans player of the season because we actually look at other players in our team something the whole media doesnt do, they just spend the whole 90minutes focusing on G&T.
This season he has been undoubtedly better and has finally started playing like he did in 04/5 and like he has always done for spain.

If mascherano goes alonso is staying, same visa-versa.

AriseForLife · 07-07-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MaschPotato

Don't be silly.

As for this about Fabregas, if Alonso went why would we go for Fabregas, whoever brought him up in the discussion?

He wouldnt fit in anywhere with the system we play

There's nothing silly about it. You were ready to accept the feel last year so I don't see why they wouldn't accept £15-18M this season when he is one year closer to being out of contract than he was last season.

A Liverpool supporter asked the question and we have just responded to him.

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Originally Posted by kop2k8

We actually have him rated at over 30m now because real seem to be willing to offer stupid money and they have always wanted alonso, perez in particular, since he was emerging along with xavi as spains best two young midfielders whilst at sociedad. Last season he was rated 18m but juve where trying to cheap scates and avoid paying that fee.

This season he has been liverpool fans player of the season because we actually look at other players in our team something the whole media doesnt do, they just spend the whole 90minutes focusing on G&T.
This season he has been undoubtedly better and has finally started playing like he did in 04/5 and like he has always done for spain.

If mascherano goes alonso is staying, same visa-versa.

You will never get £30M if he said he wanted to leave. If Alonso says I want out no matter whay price you set, you will only get in the £15-18M, maybe £20M range, but £30M will NEVER happen.

As for performance its debatable, I don't agree with you, I still say he was better last season and thats all the matters since its my opinion. If you think he was better this season thats fine, no big deal.

AriseForLife · 07-07-2009, 07:21 PM

From the sound of this article it would appear that it could be a straight exchange of player for player since Fiorentina are wanting to bolster their defense and Eboue at RB is an offer they like.

If this were to happen it would be huge for us since we would get a solid anchor who would start in exchange for a back up player.

Over the last couple days there have been articles which have said conflicting things about this deal, but this looks highly probable. Sky said it could be Eboue and money for Melo, but this would indicate a direct trade.

Melo for Eboue swap?

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Fiorentina are prepared to trade Brazilian midfielder Felipe Melo in exchange for Arsenal full-back Emmanuel Eboue.

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Eboue: off to Florence?

Melo, who arrived in Florence from Spanish side Almeria last summer in a £7million transfer, is a target of the Gunners.

"Wenger wants to talk to me,'' said Fiorentina sporting director Pantaleo Corvino to Gazzetta dello Sport.

"I have no objection also because Eboue seems a valid swap.''

Brazilian Melo, 25, has signed a one-year contract extension with Fiorentina that includes a £21million release clause.

He is contracted to Fiorentina until 2013 and is also a target of Juventus.

"In order for that (Melo to go to Juve) to happen, there needs to be a payment of 25million euros as stipulated in his release clause,'' said Corvino.

"No club has made such an offer and there are no meetings arranged in the near future.''

Fiorentina are looking to reinforce their defensive line and believe the 26-year-old Eboue would be the right candidate to strengthened that line.

The Ivory Coast international has been unhappy about his lack of regular first-team action at Arsenal.

Giampinho · 07-07-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

From the sound of this article it would appear that it could be a straight exchange of player for player since Fiorentina are wanting to bolster their defense and Eboue at RB is an offer they like.

If this were to happen it would be huge for us since we would get a solid anchor who would start in exchange for a back up player.

Over the last couple days there have been articles which have said conflicting things about this deal, but this looks highly probable.

Viola - Eboue a 'valid swap'

^.. hope all works for the best

kop2k8 · 07-07-2009, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

There's nothing silly about it. You were ready to accept the feel last year so I don't see why they wouldn't accept £15-18M this season when he is one year closer to being out of contract than he was last season.

A Liverpool supporter asked the question and we have just responded to him.

You will never get £30M if he said he wanted to leave. If Alonso says I want out no matter whay price you set, you will only get in the £15-18M, maybe £20M range, but £30M will NEVER happen.

As for performance its debatable, I don't agree with you, I still say he was better last season and thats all the matters since its my opinion. If you think he was better this season thats fine, no big deal.

If alonso wants out then it would have to involve higuain for the price to be anything close to 18m. Xabi right now is spains 1st choice CM along with xavi, fabregas cant even get a sniff because these two are so good together. Xabi is rated at 30m no matter how much real want it to be lower because like I said xabi has had twice as good a season as last year but you have to watch liverpool to see that, and xabi is not the type of person who will cause problems to get a move. Hes said hes happy in liverpool however he has admitted that real have an interesting project. If anyone is going to go from liverpool this season it will be dossena,arbeloa,itandje,voronin, cavalieri maybe and possibley mascherano only if barca can stump up the 40m we want for him.

Giampinho · 07-07-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kop2k8

If alonso wants out then it would have to involve higuain for the price to be anything close to 18m. Xabi right now is spains 1st choice CM along with xavi, fabregas cant even get a sniff because these two are so good together. Xabi is rated at 30m no matter how much real want it to be lower because like I said xabi has had twice as good a season as last year but you have to watch liverpool to see that, and xabi is not the type of person who will cause problems to get a move. Hes said hes happy in liverpool however he has admitted that real have an interesting project. If anyone is going to go from liverpool this season it will be dossena,arbeloa,itandje,voronin, cavalieri maybe and possibley mascherano only if barca can stump up the 40m we want for him.

mascherano would be amazing at barca, starting with iniesta AND xavi... i think 40m could be a good price for him. dossena should have been sold last yr... and i thought Real placed a bid for arbeloa already?

kop2k8 · 07-07-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Giampinho

mascherano would be amazing at barca, starting with iniesta AND xavi... i think 40m could be a good price for him. dossena should have been sold last yr... and i thought Real placed a bid for arbeloa already?

yes but real were really taking the p**s with the offer they placed down. Real really have no sense of meeting the man in the middle so to speak. Its either stupidly high or low enough to not even look at.
Even though masch is amazing I would take it as we can replace him a little more quickly than we can replace alonso.

AriseForLife · 07-07-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kop2k8

If alonso wants out then it would have to involve higuain for the price to be anything close to 18m. Xabi right now is spains 1st choice CM along with xavi, fabregas cant even get a sniff because these two are so good together. Xabi is rated at 30m no matter how much real want it to be lower because like I said xabi has had twice as good a season as last year but you have to watch liverpool to see that, and xabi is not the type of person who will cause problems to get a move. Hes said hes happy in liverpool however he has admitted that real have an interesting project. If anyone is going to go from liverpool this season it will be dossena,arbeloa,itandje,voronin, cavalieri maybe and possibley mascherano only if barca can stump up the 40m we want for him.

You keep thinking that.

Actually their first choice pairing is Xavi and Iniesta, but since he is hurt thats why he hasn't been featuring.

You're seriously delusional if you think Real would part with Higuain and you even more delusional if you think ANYONE would pay £30M for Xabi.

Never the less please don't discuss Liverpool matters in the Arsenal thread we really don't care what you do.

Giampinho · 07-07-2009, 07:59 PM

so i heard this morning Vela wont be fit for preseason training?

Sammy369 · 07-07-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Giampinho

so i heard this morning Vela wont be fit for preseason training?

Disappointed about that......got injured when playing for mexico - There were fears that he had broken his ankle but luckily it only turned out to be a sprain

kop2k8 · 07-07-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

You keep thinking that.

Actually their first choice pairing is Xavi and Iniesta, but since he is hurt thats why he hasn't been featuring.

You're seriously delusional if you think Real would part with Higuain and you even more delusional if you think ANYONE would pay £30M for Xabi.

Never the less please don't discuss Liverpool matters in the Arsenal thread we really don't care what you do.

Well I'll say this finally as this is an gooner never win anything thread.
I am not delusional, I'll tell you why because im a liverpool supporter and I know more about my own club than you know about us. You lot down at the emirates seem to think that cesc is so special but IMO he is over rated and not as good as alonso, thats why real want xabi and not cesc.
As for the price tag alonso like I've said at least three times now was valued at 18m last season however rafa has said that it would take a massive offer of over 25m to even get negotiating, we where even reported to have turned down a 20m bid from real for him during the confed cup.

As for xavi and iniesta being their midfield pairing then I have to say what a load of bull that is. For barca maybe but for spain iniest plays as a wide midfielder on the left with silva doing the same on the right, with alonso and xavi in the centre. Xabi has started all but one of del bosques matches I believe.

Anyone on the subject of arsenal when is ro-sicky going to be fit?

Giampinho · 07-07-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kop2k8

Anyone on the subject of arsenal when is ro-sicky going to be fit?

probably when Silvestre decides to score a gol. ..

AriseForLife · 07-07-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kop2k8

Well I'll say this finally as this is an gooner never win anything thread.
I am not delusional, I'll tell you why because im a liverpool supporter and I know more about my own club than you know about us. You lot down at the emirates seem to think that cesc is so special but IMO he is over rated and not as good as alonso, thats why real want xabi and not cesc.
As for the price tag alonso like I've said at least three times now was valued at 18m last season however rafa has said that it would take a massive offer of over 25m to even get negotiating, we where even reported to have turned down a 20m bid from real for him during the confed cup.

And my final reply. I don't care what Rafa has valued him at, the reality is that if Xabi said he wanted to leave there is nothing you could do to keep him and that is fact. He has already said he hasn't ruled out the possibility of joining Real

You are incorrect in saying that Real want Xabi over Cesc. Fact is Real wanted Cesc and Wenger and were denied on both occasion so attention turned to Alonso next and has remained there.

kop2k8 · 07-07-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

And my final reply. I don't care what Rafa has valued him at, the reality is that if Xabi said he wanted to leave there is nothing you could do to keep him and that is fact. He has already said he hasn't ruled out the possibility of joining Real

You are incorrect in saying that Real want Xabi over Cesc. Fact is Real wanted Cesc and Wenger and were denied on both occasion so attention turned to Alonso next and has remained there.

Oh sorry erm well.. we are liverpool FC so therefore we dont do what your board of gooners do when an average offer comes in and that is to bend over and take it up the chuff and sell of even though you could have go more if you stood ground.

Xabi has said more than once this summer that he is very happy at liverpool but if real make an acceptable offer, meaning that it has to be 30m then he would feel abliged to talk to them.
Fact is actually that calderon wanted cesc not perez, perez when making his election promises, promised he'd deliver kaka,ronaldo,villa,alonso and ribery to the bernabeu during his tenure. He and valdano openly talked about how xabi was a top target and how the are desperate for him to sign because the believe he,not fabregas, is the missing link in CM and that they where dissapointed that they lost out on him on 3 seperate occasions. Once at sociedad the year he joined us, and twice in 05 and 07 when they again tried to sign xabi.

AriseForLife · 08-07-2009, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kop2k8

Oh sorry erm well.. we are liverpool FC so therefore we dont do what your board of gooners do when an average offer comes in and that is to bend over and take it up the chuff and sell of even though you could have go more if you stood ground.

Once more petty insults. That's a sign of weakness in your arguement when all you can do is insult. As I said that was my last response. If you want to talk Liverpool then do so in your thread because nothing you say has anything to do with Arsenal.

Good day.

DBond5 · 08-07-2009, 10:59 AM

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Van Persie pens new Arsenal deal

Dutch striker Robin van Persie has agreed a new long-term deal with Arsenal, the Premier League club have confirmed.

The 25-year-old was the Gunners' leading scorer last season with 20 goals from 44 appearances.

While the terms of the new contract for van Persie, who joined Arsenal from his home town club Feyenoord in 2004, have not been disclosed, it is reported to be worth around £80,000-a-week, which would make the Holland forward one of the highest paid players at Emirates Stadium.

Van Persie said: "I have been at the club for five years now and there really is a great feeling here at Arsenal.

"We have a top-class manager, a squad full of superb young players, a world-class stadium and brilliant supporters.

"Arsenal have a very bright future and I want to be part of it."

Van Persie had been linked with a move to Premier League rivals Manchester United, but hinted he could now end his career at Emirates Stadium.

"My heart is with Arsenal and I just can't picture myself in a different shirt. I just can't see it now because I love this club so much.

"If you look at the last five years, look at the steps I have made every season, if you look at the support the boss and the whole club gave me, the fans gave me, my team-mates gave me - this is the right decision.

Best news of the day!

Makoun · 08-07-2009, 11:01 AM

Great news to hear Van Persie sign a new contract

TH014 · 08-07-2009, 11:02 AM

Finally, It took a while...Great to hear this.

DBond5 · 08-07-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Giampinho

probably when Silvestre decides to score a gol. ..

..or mark someone correctly

Stefanbafc · 08-07-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TH014

Finally, It took a while...Great to hear this.

He agreed to sign a new contract a long time ago tho, between the two International matches. Just took a while before he could put pen to paper and sign it, because he was on a vacation

kop2k8 · 08-07-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Once more petty insults. That's a sign of weakness in your arguement when all you can do is insult. As I said that was my last response. If you want to talk Liverpool then do so in your thread because nothing you say has anything to do with Arsenal.

Good day.

lalalala you. Your arguement has no basis. Its funny how you only kept part of my comment because you know that the second half is true. Thats a statement btw not a question so dont bother answering.

And as for me having nothing to say about arsenal then just read the posts you idiot. I asked about ro-sicky before you changed the subject back to liverpool

DBond5 · 08-07-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kop2k8

Well I'll say this finally as this is an gooner never win anything thread.
I am not delusional, I'll tell you why because im a liverpool supporter and I know more about my own club than you know about us. You lot down at the emirates seem to think that cesc is so special but IMO he is over rated and not as good as alonso, thats why real want xabi and not cesc.
As for the price tag alonso like I've said at least three times now was valued at 18m last season however rafa has said that it would take a massive offer of over 25m to even get negotiating, we where even reported to have turned down a 20m bid from real for him during the confed cup.

As for xavi and iniesta being their midfield pairing then I have to say what a load of bull that is. For barca maybe but for spain iniest plays as a wide midfielder on the left with silva doing the same on the right, with alonso and xavi in the centre. Xabi has started all but one of del bosques matches I believe.

Anyone on the subject of arsenal when is ro-sicky going to be fit?

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lalalala you. Your arguement has no basis. Its funny how you only kept part of my comment because you know that the second half is true. Thats a statement btw not a question so dont bother answering.

And as for me having nothing to say about arsenal then just read the posts you idiot. I asked about ro-sicky before you changed the subject back to liverpool

Was back in training before the end of the season but his injuries would have got worse in the same way Eduardo's had. Can't see him staying fit tho, no doubt hear about another injury during pre-season training.

Kill the argument, Xabi aint going.

kop2k8 · 08-07-2009, 03:05 PM

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Was back in training before the end of the season but his injuries would have got worse in the same way Eduardo's had. Can't see him staying fit tho, no doubt hear about another injury during pre-season training.

Kill the argument, Xabi aint going.

As a rival fan you hate to see teams not have their best players on the pitch as it takes away some of the achievement of winning things. Rosicky is a very good player however when he does come back it is hard to see where he would fit in to the team as nasri plays on the left even though I reckon he would be better in cesc's role, but I suppose its good to know that when cesc finally heads of home you basically have literally the perfect replacement in nasri.
Still think that you need to ship out gallas and toure though and get yourself a proper powerful CB coz vermearlen isnt that tall and is a bit of a rip off version of agger, not that im saying he wont do any good.

DBond5 · 08-07-2009, 03:16 PM

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As a rival fan you hate to see teams not have their best players on the pitch as it takes away some of the achievement of winning things. Rosicky is a very good player however when he does come back it is hard to see where he would fit in to the team as nasri plays on the left even though I reckon he would be better in cesc's role, but I suppose its good to know that when cesc finally heads of home you basically have literally the perfect replacement in nasri.
Still think that you need to ship out gallas and toure though and get yourself a proper powerful CB coz vermearlen isnt that tall and is a bit of a rip off version of agger, not that im saying he wont do any good.

To be honest, day by day my mind slips that Rosicky is even around, for the club Im praying he comes out with a bang but hes never been consistently fit.

Agreed with you but Nasri is more fit to play in a central role, we saw this when he played in a deeper position to clear up any loose balls towards the end of the season. He performed well but never excelled like he does in his attacking role, with Arshavin more equipped down the wing in my opinion I'd love to see a more 4-3-3 approach with Toure, Fabregas, Nasri operating the midfield and Van Persie/Walcott/Arshavin/Vela/Adebayor covering up top.

We wont see Fabregas leave for at least 3-4 years and by that time Ramsey will 'ave stepped up his game to become his 'replacement'.

Gallas is our most defensive minded centre half, he's the last man as Toure will tend to push up further, that's why I can see him playing a more defensive midfield role, sitting just in front of the defenders.

In all honestly, you can't judge Vermaelen yet, he's tall enough but size isn't everything. Some of the best centre halves weren't always the biggest players, just look at Cannavaro. Until we've seen him play, we can't judge him.

Anathematic · 08-07-2009, 05:18 PM

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As a rival fan you hate to see teams not have their best players on the pitch as it takes away some of the achievement of winning things. Rosicky is a very good player however when he does come back it is hard to see where he would fit in to the team as nasri plays on the left even though I reckon he would be better in cesc's role, but I suppose its good to know that when cesc finally heads of home you basically have literally the perfect replacement in nasri.
Still think that you need to ship out gallas and toure though and get yourself a proper powerful CB coz vermearlen isnt that tall and is a bit of a rip off version of agger, not that im saying he wont do any good.

Tomas can play on the right. Fully fit, I don't care what anyone says, he's a better footballer than Theo by a country mile.

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