Arsenal FC Thread

[st3adman]

Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

Being any nationality...



Diarra wouldn't come back and neither Veloso nor Toulalan have played in the Premier League or at the highest level before.

Are they better players than Parker? Probably, but are they: As cheap as him, as physically strong as him and ready to start on the first day of the season? I doubt it.

well veloso and toulalan have played internationally and done fine. it doesnt matter whether their not ready to start on the first day, look at arshavin we worked him in the team according to his fitness and once he hit form he was outstanding, and he also came from an unproven league. You are also forgetting the season doesnt start till august and they can work on their fitness between now and then in traing and pre-season.

[Anathematic]

Originally Posted by st3adman

well veloso and toulalan have played internationally and done fine. it doesnt matter whether their not ready to start on the first day, look at arshavin we worked him in the team according to his fitness and once he hit form he was outstanding, and he also came from an unproven league. You are also forgetting the season doesnt start till august and they can work on their fitness between now and then in traing and pre-season.

I wasn't talking fitness I was talking in terms of adapting. Arshavin is the exception to the rule, not the norm, most players don't take the league by storm immediately and take some time to bed in.

It's all irrelevant anyway, Wenger would never sign Parker.

[st3adman]

Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

I wasn't talking fitness I was talking in terms of adapting. Arshavin is the exception to the rule, not the norm, most players don't take the league by storm immediately and take some time to bed in.

It's all irrelevant anyway, Wenger would never sign Parker.

yeah i dont know how i got into this discussion about parker , my original point was why buy average english players when you could find someone better regardless of what country they come from, it should be ability before nationality.

[Anathematic]

Without a doubt, I just really actually rate Scott Parker. I think he could do a job at any team in the league to be honest, plus I reckon you could get him off West Ham for peanuts... £7.5 million tops, but I reckon you could get him for 5.

[Anathematic]

Whispers of Cesc and Barca again, I'm not worried about him going this year, but I think his return to the Catalans is ineviteble and we need to make sure we cash in on him at the right time. We can't afford to lose the lad for free, as I fear he won't extend his contract again beyond 2014, so maybe sell him after the 2011/2012 season?

The one good thing is Barca seem a little more respectful in their pursuit than Real ever have. They don't seem to be hounding the player and haven't said "We'll definitely get him this year!", just saying that they want him home eventually, which is understandable.

There's an article on SSN, but they seem to be trying to put a spin on it that isn't there for me, so here's just Laporta's quotes.

"Cesc Fabregas has the Barcelona DNA in his body and we know that he wants to play for this club"
"At the moment he is the leader at Arsenal and a very important player for them. But Cesc is wanted by me, by the coach Pep Guardiola and by the sport director Txiki Begiristain."
"We are concentrating all of our efforts on it, but at the same time we have a lot of respect for Arsenal. We have positive relations with Arsenal so it will not be an easy topic to talk to them about."

[sam.]

Btw, if any of you guys have been looking for an Arsenal forum, join Goonersworld. New members always welcome

[tat Fletcher]

Originally Posted by Theo14Cesc4

Btw, if any of you guys have been looking for an Arsenal forum, join Goonersworld. New members always welcome

i might do that. anyway, what transfers are you guys hoping for this off season

[SPECIAL_STEVEN]

I hope we sign Vieira back to be honest.

Thats my hope... my heart says just get a proven world class defensive midfielder.

[tat Fletcher]

Originally Posted by SPECIAL_STEVEN

I hope we sign Vieira back to be honest.

Thats my hope... my heart says just get a proven world class defensive midfielder.

Viera, he is to old now imo. i wouldnt mind Gignac and Goucuff

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by Matieo10

What do I think of Chamakh?

...I think Eduardo and Bendtner why do Arsenal need more forwards? the difference between Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd this past season was that y'all conceded 10-13 more goals than the other three.

I didn't say we needed more forwards. Wenger has said that he is looking at Maroune ONLY if Adebayor decides to leave. If and when Adebayor leaves that leaves us with only three strikers and you need at minimum four.

I really don't see your point in the conceding of 10 or 13 more goals, we always give up more goals than Manchester United or Chelsea. Or main problem was dropping points to teams that they actually beat and of those goals 4 belonged to Chelsea alone.

Not having a dig btw I just don't see Arsenal 'needing' more forwards...and also curious, but don't you think promoting or purchasing some local talent will do? or are you, as an Arsenal fan, just given up on naturalizing the squad in general.

I've never cared about naturalizing the team. I think its stupid that people focus so much on what a players passport says rather than who can get you results. I don't care if they are English, French, Samoan, African, American, Mexican, German, or whatever as long as they come to play and help us succeed.

Besides, in my opinion there is no English talent available that would be worth signing in my opinion. Steven Taylor of Newcastle is the ONLY English man that I would sign if I were Wenger otherwise I don't think the available talent is good enough for our bench.

Originally Posted by 7_Robert_Pires

Being any nationality...

Diarra wouldn't come back and neither Veloso nor Toulalan have played in the Premier League or at the highest level before.

Are they better players than Parker? Probably, but are they: As cheap as him, as physically strong as him and ready to start on the first day of the season? I doubt it.

What does it matter if they have played in the EPL. Playing as an anchor in the EPL is a lot different than coming over as an attacking player. Non attacking players adapt much easier to the EPL than attacking players, Arshavin and Torres being the rare exceptions. Maroune Felliani came in and did the job for Everton right out the gate and got better as the season progressed.

In my opinion Toulalan would come to the EPL and do wonderful right from the start because his positioning and the way he reads the flow of the game translate well for the EPL. Veloso would need to some ti adapt because he hsn't been in the best of form for the last 2 seasons from what I saw of him in 06/07 and the few times I saw him in 07/08. If he could bring his 07/08 form to us then I think he would be fine, but I thats debatable.

Toulalan could easily start first day of the season without a doubt. I personally think Scott Parker would be a waste and I have never rated him highly at all. I think Toulalan, Cana, or Makoun would be the best options for us at this point.

Originally Posted by SPECIAL_STEVEN

I hope we sign Vieira back to be honest.

Thats my hope... my heart says just get a proven world class defensive midfielder.

Why in God's name would you want Patrick Vieira back? He's over the hill and not even half of a half of the player he once was. It would be a complete waste to sign him.

I am hoping that Lyon sign him as rumors would indicate because that would mean they must be interested in parting with Makoun II or Toulalan at some stage.

Originally Posted by tat Fletcher

Viera, he is to old now imo. i wouldnt mind Gignac and Goucuff

Why would you want Gourcuff? We have way too many attack minded midfielders at the moment and adding another would be counterproductive. Besides Bordeaux aren't letting him go since he was such a huge hit for them.

[SPECIAL_STEVEN]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

I didn't say we needed more forwards. Wenger has said that he is looking at Maroune ONLY if Adebayor decides to leave. If and when Adebayor leaves that leaves us with only three strikers and you need at minimum four.

I really don't see your point in the conceding of 10 or 13 more goals, we always give up more goals than Manchester United or Chelsea. Or main problem was dropping points to teams that they actually beat and of those goals 4 belonged to Chelsea alone.



I've never cared about naturalizing the team. I think its stupid that people focus so much on what a players passport says rather than who can get you results. I don't care if they are English, French, Samoan, African, American, Mexican, German, or whatever as long as they come to play and help us succeed.

Besides, in my opinion there is no English talent available that would be worth signing in my opinion. Steven Taylor of Newcastle is the ONLY English man that I would sign if I were Wenger otherwise I don't think the available talent is good enough for our bench.



What does it matter if they have played in the EPL. Playing as an anchor in the EPL is a lot different than coming over as an attacking player. Non attacking players adapt much easier to the EPL than attacking players, Arshavin and Torres being the rare exceptions. Maroune Felliani came in and did the job for Everton right out the gate and got better as the season progressed.

In my opinion Toulalan would come to the EPL and do wonderful right from the start because his positioning and the way he reads the flow of the game translate well for the EPL. Veloso would need to some ti adapt because he hsn't been in the best of form for the last 2 seasons from what I saw of him in 06/07 and the few times I saw him in 07/08. If he could bring his 07/08 form to us then I think he would be fine, but I thats debatable.

Toulalan could easily start first day of the season without a doubt. I personally think Scott Parker would be a waste and I have never rated him highly at all. I think Toulalan, Cana, or Makoun would be the best options for us at this point.



Why in God's name would you want Patrick Vieira back? He's over the hill and not even half of a half of the player he once was. It would be a complete waste to sign him.

I am hoping that Lyon sign him as rumors would indicate because that would mean they must be interested in parting with Makoun II or Toulalan at some stage.



Why would you want Gourcuff? We have way too many attack minded midfielders at the moment and adding another would be counterproductive. Besides Bordeaux aren't letting him go since he was such a huge hit for them.

Vieira was immense for us, i dont think he's lost what he had he just needs match practice which he has not been getting.

Hes a great passer, and very defensive minded, big, strong, dominating... exactly what we need.

[AriseForLife]

Originally Posted by SPECIAL_STEVEN

Vieira was immense for us, i dont think he's lost what he had he just needs match practice which he has not been getting.

Hes a great passer, and very defensive minded, big, strong, dominating... exactly what we need.

Key word being "was". Patrick hasn't looked anything near top form in the games he's played and he can't stay healthy to save his life since he left Arsenal. Arsene timed selling Vieira perfectly.

[SPECIAL_STEVEN]

Originally Posted by AriseForLife

Key word being "was". Patrick hasn't looked anything near top form in the games he's played and he can't stay healthy to save his life since he left Arsenal. Arsene timed selling Vieira perfectly.

So perfect we didn't win a title since he left... come on he had a few more seasons in him, not to mention he was taylor made for the premiership.

[AriseForLife]

I would have to disagree. If you noticed once he left Arsenal he immediately became injury prone. He hasn't played more then 25 games in a season since he left Arsenal.

I agree he was perfect for the premiereship and we love to have another player in the same mold as him, hell I think we would be challenging if we still have Gilberto in the middle.

[N12 Legend]

I agree with Arise; re-signing Vieira would be a silly move. Wenger has a knack of getting rid of players at just the right time - Vieira was a stalwart for us back then but wouldn't be now. Not to mention that he's getting on a bit.

[sam.]

Originally Posted by N12 Legend

I agree with Arise; re-signing Vieira would be a silly move. Wenger has a knack of getting rid of players at just the right time - Vieira was a stalwart for us back then but wouldn't be now. Not to mention that he's getting on a bit.

Yeah, agree especially about Wenger getting rid of players at the right time; except for Henry, not many ex-Arsenal players went on to have good careers after leaving us

[Durden92]

Melo has signed for Juventus. Perhaps we could make a bid for Sissoko, he's done a great job at DM for Juve and i think he'd do well for us.

[chemicalrubber]

Originally Posted by Theo14Cesc4

Yeah, agree especially about Wenger getting rid of players at the right time; except for Henry, not many ex-Arsenal players went on to have good careers after leaving us

Ljungberg's sale was brilliantly timed. Although he was sold for only 3 million, West Ham didn't want to keep him and had to compensate him about 7 million (?) to get him released.

[Anathematic]

Originally Posted by Durden92

Melo has signed for Juventus. Perhaps we could make a bid for Sissoko, he's done a great job at DM for Juve and i think he'd do well for us.

No he hasn't. Infact, this from Goal.com is very interesting as it has quotes...

Fiorentina: We Are In Negotiations To Sell Felipe Melo To Arsenal - Goal.com

Fiorentina: We Are In Negotiations To Sell Felipe Melo To Arsenal

Fiorentina have made an official announcement on the rumours surrounding Felipe Melo...

4 Jul 2009 14:33:30




Arsenal are the only club to have made a bid for Fiorentina star Felipe Melo, the Italian club have announced. The Viola appear prepared to sell the Brazilian star with Emmanuel Eboue moving the other way as part of the deal.

Sky Sport Italia claimed earlier today that Juventus had reached an agreement with Felipe Melo’s agents, and that the Bianconeri would meet with Fiorentina officials on Tuesday in order to conclude a transfer fee.

However, Fiorentina have now posted an official announcement on their website, in which transfer chief Pantaleo Corvino sets the record straight.

Corvino claims that Arsenal are the only club to have tabled an offer for Felipe Melo, who has a release clause of €25 million, and suggests that Fiorentina are prepared to sell if Emmanuel Eboue is included as part of the exchange.

“The director [Corvino] points out that Arsenal FC are the only club that has come close to [Felipe Melo’s] release clause.

“Fiorentina, in turn, has proposed that the clubs reduce the amount of this clause by entering into negotiations the right back Eboue.”

On the rumours of an alleged agreement between Felipe Melo and Juventus, the statement continued:

"In the event that the player has already agreed terms with another club, the buy-out clause the player has with his club to the value of €25 million does not take into consideration any technical exchanges (player exchanges), unless Fiorentina is in agreement."

[Gorayfle]

Melo just signed a new contract with Fiorentina

[Anathematic]

Looks like he was just looking for a signing on fee then doesn't it? The quotes are apparently from Fiorentina themselves...

[Muzzy]

Originally Posted by Gorayfle

Melo just signed a new contract with Fiorentina

For the buy out clause, presumably. I have no idea of him as a player as I've never watched Fiorentina play, but if Gilberto Silva rates him I'll trust his judgement that he'd do a good job.

Who the bloody hell is Eden Haz?

In news surrounding who we might miss out on next season, Sunderland want Chamakh. I couldn't see that one happening, even if the Black Cats could come up with a better fee - I'm sure I read something about him favouring us over any other potential buyer?

Hertha Berlin have jumped on the Senderos Bandwagon, joining half of Serie A and some other German clubs.

And Birmingham want Armand Traore on loan. I'd be happy for the last one to go through, as I can't see poor Armand getting a game this season between Gibbs and Clichy unless its in some form of mickey mouse cup.

[Gorayfle]

I see, so Melo was looking out for Fiorentina. Well if Arsenal get him that would be a good buy for them.

Hazard is a promising 18 yr old player who plays for Lille in Ligue 1. I haven't seen him play to be honest.

[B0dunrin]

I don't really understand the Melo situation, did someone say he signed a contract extension to help Fiorentina?
Is it sort of like what Xabi Alonso is reportedly doing to help out Liverpool so they get the full payment from Real Madrid.

[Anathematic]

Yeah, that's what it looks like. It also looks like he did it so he could have a release clause as I'm not sure his old contract did.

SSN has the story too now, so it's reliable. Fio have basically confirmed we have bid for him and that they are negotiating to try and get Eboue.