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[ForeverBlue'86]

Originally Posted by FreshGeeza

Used to love watching Chelsea play when they had the like's of Robben and Duff, they we're pure class...still can't believe that Duff isn't at a better club, Gudjohsen was another I liked watching, That semi-final against Barcelona was stunning.

Knockout Round ;-)

We haven't replaced them properly. Duff and Robben are the 2 biggest misses in attack, and Tiago is a HUGE miss. I know we went and got Essien the following season, but Tiago was the one who made the midfield click.

That's why I want players like Stoch to get a chance. He's 2 years younger than when Robben made his debut for us, but he made a massive impact yesterday. If blooded in now, by the time he's 21 we could very well have another special player on our hands, and it's about time we looked at what Man Utd or Arsenal have done with players like Rafael and Fabregas and refresh the side.

[den525player]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

More a case of us dismantling it almost straight after. Over that period of time, getting rid of players like Duff, Robben, Tiago and Gudjohnsen and replacing/signing them with players like Wright-Phillips, Shevchenko, Ballack and Malouda, it's killed the team.

Final nail in the coffin was when Mourinho left - the side was already starting to age, added to it came Anelka and now Deco. This should be our transitional period - tell the fans they're writing off the title, most of us already have, but blood the youngsters in and go about keeping a core set of players and flogging the rest, we need a massive change up come summer time.

When those deals were done, Chelsea fans were quite happy about the transfers, especially SWP (who had great success at Man City), Shevchenko (great@Milan), Ballack (Great@Bayern) and Malouda (great@Lyon).

When Chelsea sold Duff and Robben they were both very injury prone (duff is still always injured), Robben might of been a mistake, but SWP at the time of signing looked like a good prospect.

Chelsea fans shouldn't blame the players, as majority of your signings were all "big" had great history etc. So should really think about who is managing them wrongly, maybe there is something wrong with the club, not the players.

Massive change in the summer (again?), don't you think a squad should settle down a little before ringing in the changes again? Chelsea have nearly all the positions covered in the 1st team, don't really get what "big" changes are needed??

Chelsea have one of the best back 5 nothing will change there, chelsea have an abundance of talent in CM (Deco, Lamard, Essien, Ballack,Mikel) to play in 2 positions. Anelka has been playing very well, maybe only 1-2 attacking players, Chelsea should of signed Robinho at all cost, as he was the one that got away, and last piece of the puzzle.

[ForeverBlue'86]

Originally Posted by den525player

When those deals were done, Chelsea fans were quite happy about the transfers, especially SWP (who had great success at Man City), Shevchenko (great@Milan), Ballack (Great@Bayern) and Malouda (great@Lyon).

When Chelsea sold Duff and Robben they were both very injury prone (duff is still always injured), Robben might of been a mistake, but SWP at the time of signing looked like a good prospect.

Chelsea fans shouldn't blame the players, as majority of your signings were all "big" had great history etc. So should really think about who is managing them wrongly, maybe there is something wrong with the club, not the players.

Massive change in the summer (again?), don't you think a squad should settle down a little before ringing in the changes again? Chelsea have nearly all the positions covered in the 1st team, don't really get what "big" changes are needed??

Chelsea have one of the best back 5 nothing will change there, chelsea have an abundance of talent in CM (Deco, Lamard, Essien, Ballack,Mikel) to play in 2 positions. Anelka has been playing very well, maybe only 1-2 attacking players, Chelsea should of signed Robinho at all cost, as he was the one that got away, and last piece of the puzzle.

Nah, I knew the moment we signed SWP it was a bad move. £21M was pathetic, and with Cole emerging into the first team it was the end of Duff... neither player have reached the same level Duff once had with us. Shevchenko was the worst of the bunch. Whilst everyone was excited to see a player like him here, he was a good £20M too much. He'd had an injury in the summer and age was against him. The Ballack transfer was great, but again, another aging player, and I said from day one Malouda was schitt!!!! Especially as it came after losing Robben. I felt physically sick that day.

We do need a massive clearout though. Ballack will be pushing 33, Deco pushing 32, Malouda will be 29, Drogba will be 31, Anelka 30, Lampard 31, Carvalho 31, Beletti 33, Ferreria 30 etc... We could rake in alot for alot of them too. The majority of them haven't been cuttin the mustard lately, and we've got to build for the future - Stoch, Sinclair, Tejera, Di Santo, Kakuta and Mancienne are just that. Selling off the dead weight will help fund other younger more established players too.

Robinho wasn't the one who got away - our biggest mistake was not keeping Robben.

[FreshGeeza]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

Knockout Round ;-)

We haven't replaced them properly. Duff and Robben are the 2 biggest misses in attack, and Tiago is a HUGE miss. I know we went and got Essien the following season, but Tiago was the one who made the midfield click.

That's why I want players like Stoch to get a chance. He's 2 years younger than when Robben made his debut for us, but he made a massive impact yesterday. If blooded in now, by the time he's 21 we could very well have another special player on our hands, and it's about time we looked at what Man Utd or Arsenal have done with players like Rafael and Fabregas and refresh the side.

Sorry mate, I can barely remember what i had for dinner last night.

Stoch played for FC Nitra didn't he? Why hasn't Scolari given the lad a chance which is frustrating me, anything can be better than Malouda surely.

[DannyB]

Am I right in saying Big Phil doesn't have much faith in his youngsters? I heard this about Mancienne, that he doesn't play because Scolari doesn't think he's good enough

[den525player]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

Nah, I knew the moment we signed SWP it was a bad move. £21M was pathetic, and with Cole emerging into the first team it was the end of Duff... neither player have reached the same level Duff once had with us. Shevchenko was the worst of the bunch. Whilst everyone was excited to see a player like him here, he was a good £20M too much. He'd had an injury in the summer and age was against him. The Ballack transfer was great, but again, another aging player, and I said from day one Malouda was schitt!!!! Especially as it came after losing Robben. I felt physically sick that day.

We do need a massive clearout though. Ballack will be pushing 33, Deco pushing 32, Malouda will be 29, Drogba will be 31, Anelka 30, Lampard 31, Carvalho 31, Beletti 33, Ferreria 30 etc... We could rake in alot for alot of them too. The majority of them haven't been cuttin the mustard lately, and we've got to build for the future - Stoch, Sinclair, Tejera, Di Santo, Kakuta and Mancienne are just that. Selling off the dead weight will help fund other younger more established players too.

Robinho wasn't the one who got away - our biggest mistake was not keeping Robben.

Imo in this day and age, there is no way (Stoch, Sinclair, Tejera, Di Santo, Kakuta and Mancienne)<<< all those players will get a chance with Chelsea, even if they are really good, Chelsea as a club would never risk blooding in so many youngsters all at once, that would happen 10 years ago, but not now.

Yes, Chelsea's players are aging a bit, but i don't think it would be very wise to clear them all out at once, the likes of Carvalho, Lampard, Deco, Anelka and even ballack still have alot of football in them, plus the amount of experience they have is a very good asset.

You probably don't want to hear this, but Chelsea need to follow united's footsteps, sign good young players (not too young like arsenal), and blood them in with experienced players like lampard and co.

Imo wholesale changes are never good. United have blooded in youngsters slowly every year, and slowly changing the guards.

[den525player]

Originally Posted by DannyB

Am I right in saying Big Phil doesn't have much faith in his youngsters? I heard this about Mancienne, that he doesn't play because Scolari doesn't think he's good enough

Big Phil doesn't have the balls like fergie. No one would ever question what saf does at united, therefore he can blood in the likes of Rafael, Evans, Wellback, Gibson etc.

Big Phil is also under way too much pressure considering it is his first season at chelsea, he would get slaughtered if his youngsters fail in the first team, he doesn't even use many youngsters in carling cup ties.

Chelsea also have too many stars in the team, they would whinge if they don't play

[DannyB]

They need a transition year, or years. Like with us, 2004-2006, didn't win anything major. We were blooding the likes of Rooney, and Ronaldo, and now look.

Arsenal are probably going through that now. Shame they don't mix youth and experience though.

[ForeverBlue'86]

Originally Posted by FreshGeeza

Sorry mate, I can barely remember what i had for dinner last night.

Stoch played for FC Nitra didn't he? Why hasn't Scolari given the lad a chance which is frustrating me, anything can be better than Malouda surely.

Apparently, because Scolari didn't think Stoch impressed in his last appearance... coming on as a sub in the final 10 minutes when we're 2-1 down to Arsenal having not been given a chance prior to that. It's absoloutly scandalous if true.

[DannyB]

Originally Posted by den525player

Big Phil doesn't have the balls like fergie. No one would ever question what saf does at united, therefore he can blood in the likes of Rafael, Evans, Wellback, Gibson etc.

Big Phil is also under way too much pressure considering it is his first season at chelsea, he would get slaughtered if his youngsters fail in the first team, he doesn't even use many youngsters in carling cup ties.

Chelsea also have too many stars in the team, they would whinge if they don't play

Yeah that's true. Really only us and Arsenal make a few changes in Carling Cup games, no other teams do, not really anyway.

I understand the pressure he's under, but if his stars aren't performing, he should rotate. Give them Mancienne a game, next gice Stoch, and then Di Santo etc...

Like what we do. Occasionally Fergie will go with Rafael, or Gibson, or Welbeck or whatever.

[DannyB]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

Apparently, because Scolari didn't think Stoch impressed in his last appearance... coming on as a sub in the final 10 minutes when we're 2-1 down to Arsenal having not been given a chance prior to that. It's absoloutly scandalous if true.

He musn't be a big fan of maths then. 10 minutes at the end of a game isn't time to impress.

[bestplayer]

Ronaldo was justifiably voted the Best Player in the World for 2008. He had a great year. But there is a veteran Brazlian writer who thinks that Kaka is still the best player ( here's the article ) and worth every penny Man City want to pay for him.

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[FreshGeeza]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

Respectable forum and respectable member? Do me a favour, is it because this "respectable member" echoes everything you say? Fk off. If that forums so respectable then hop along over there you helmet, and do I look like i'm comparing their nationalities here?

Did I just hear you right... Ronaldo doesn't disrespect his coach?!?! Where've you been the last year or so? And don't come back with your lalalalalalalala how it's all the media, Ronaldo's just as bad.

The point of my post was to show how both players are hated for their antics on the field, whereas they come over as extremely different people off it, wasn't that hard to understand was it? Somehow you've managed to turn it into me being a bitter hater, which makes no fkin sense cause I have nothing to be bitter over.

This thread is another one of your "Oh look how great Ronaldo is as a person" threads.

Ive never seen Ronaldo shove Fergie or talk about him in a bad way so I dunno what you're talking about, In-fact he even gave a tribute to Alex when he picked up the best player of 2008 award.

[ChelseablueDCU26]

What an identical **** suck article.

Point is who the **** cares what Ronaldo does off the pitch, Id ****ing expect the world footballer of the year to help his family out, if you dont youre a right ****.

Regardless whatever heavenly things you think he is doing off the pitch, he's still a diving crying ****er on it.

[BLaZiNgSPEED]

Ronaldo has hardly scored any goals since Berbatovs arrival in United.

[Conflol]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

Ronaldo has hardly scored any goals since Berbatovs arrival in United.

Goals aren't everything.

[FreshGeeza]

Source: Manchester United.com
Sergio Aguero rates the Red Devils

Originally Posted by Man Utd.com

Aguero rates the Reds

Atletico Madrid striker Sergio Aguero is one of the most exciting young players in the world, but when he’s looking for his own footballing thrills he turns to the Reds.

The prodigious Argentinian has selected his team of 2008 and it includes three United players instrumental in last year's Champions League triumph. First pick is Rio Ferdinand, paired with Chelsea’s Ricardo Carvalho in Aguero’s XI.

"Ferdinand is the rock in Manchester United's defence," he commented. "He's great in the air and his personality is strong too."

Alongside Rio is Patrice Evra, Aguero’s favourite left-back in Europe.

"I like the attacking side of his game," he says. "He is good in the air and has lots of power. He gives my team security."

And no European team of the year would be complete without Cristiano Ronaldo.

"It is a pleasure to watch him play. Anyone who pays to go and watch him will be rewarded by his dazzling skills. He's an exceptional player."

And who would Aguero pick to coach his stellar selection? Who do you think…

"I revere Sir Alex," said the 20-year-old. "He is a true gentleman at all times. He never loses direction and, according to my team-mates that have played under him, he always has just the right words to order the team when they're on the pitch."

[Froggy22]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

Ronaldo has hardly scored any goals since Berbatovs arrival in United.

what does berbatovs arrival have to do with Ronaldo, they play in different positions

[MaschPotato]

So...Who's your game in hand against

[rooney da best]

fulham

[MaschPotato]

Great

[ViVaRooney]

At old Trafford

[ViVaRooney]

Originally Posted by FreshGeeza

Source: Manchester United.com
Sergio Aguero rates the Red Devils

Let tevez go and buy Aguero?

[Pheq]

Better get Benzema and Valencia

[Scene Kid Oli]

Aguero at United?

for now we can dream