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[COYS]

I like the lad, he’s unspectacular but he breaks down the oppositions play and stops them playing football. That’s exactly the type of player that Tottenham need in midfield but can’t afford.

[Matieo10]

Originally Posted by ForeverMUFC6

didn't you watch him against you're beloved arsenal?? he made it look like Fabregas was actually trying to pass to him to all match....

... for that.



It's understandable though... those people who don't necasarily take that much notice of United matches or don't know anything about the foundations of a football team might not think they're making much of an impact

Hahaha funny one of your country's players who actually gave a damn at the last World Cup is Calgarian.

...just goes to show

IMO I don't think it was money well spent is all. He's a good player, but so was Veron.

[Jason Holm88]

Now you wouldn't make that comparison if you had been watching Hargreaves the times he has played this season. The man is a machine.

[smeltzerinho]

How much of that opinion is biased?

[Weather130]

I disagree Hargreaves is on my fantasy football team and he hasn't been that great when he played. Lets look at the stats: 11 games played 0 goals 1 assist 2 shots on target 6 fouls won 6 corners won 18 passes intercepted 29 tackles won 14 fouls committed 1 yellow card for a total of 49 points.

[smeltzerinho]

to be fair scoring goals, assisting goals and winning corners isn't really what he's there for.

I just haven't been impressed, even before he went to Utd. Two games I've seen him been awesome, but that was mainly down to his fitness levels and determination.

[Jason Holm88]

Originally Posted by Weather130

I disagree Hargreaves is on my fantasy football team and he hasn't been that great when he played. Lets look at the stats: 11 games played 0 goals 1 assist 2 shots on target 6 fouls won 6 corners won 18 passes intercepted 29 tackles won 14 fouls committed 1 yellow card for a total of 49 points.

Hargreaves isn't really the player that normally scores a lot of goals or even makes a lot of assists (not sure of his records at Bayern). He's supposed to do the dirty work in the shadow of Ronaldo and Giggs.

Originally Posted by smeltzerinho27

to be fair scoring goals, assisting goals and winning corners isn't really what he's there for.

I just haven't been impressed, even before he went to Utd. Two games I've seen him been awesome, but that was mainly down to his fitness levels and determination.

I didn't see him play that much for Bayern, mainly just some Champions League matches.. He did brilliantly at the World Cup, but there was a part of me that was worried that that was a one-off triggered by the fact that a large percent of the nation was against him even being there. I'm not gonna go and exaggerate his performances for us so far, but he has showed the same spirit, passion and determination as he did that summer for England.

[Matieo10]

Originally Posted by Jason Holm88

Now you wouldn't make that comparison if you had been watching Hargreaves the times he has played this season. The man is a machine.

I won't disagree with you, he has the build and will to be a good DM...

...the price you guys paid for him is still etching in the back of my mind. When in another case with Mascherano who really is the real deal, and does deserve to be paid the transfer fee of 17 million pounds.

What is Owen's Salary atm? do you know?

[prol33tar1at]

Originally Posted by Jason Holm88

I want to settle this Hargreaves and Carrick discussion:

NO, they are not the same kind of player. The only reason you say so (and I understand that you do) is because at the moment, ideally (when everyone is fit... Which they are not. ), it is either Hargreaves or Carrick alongside Scholes. When Carrick plays with Scholes in the centre midfield his defensive responsibilities are higher, and he plays a more holding role, when he's naturally a deep-lying playmaker like Scholes. Carrick has proved to be a decent defensive midfielder though, and he therefore works well together with Scholesy.

When Carrick plays alongside Hargreaves the former is allowed to step into that playmaking role to a wider extent and Hargreaves takes the heaviest defensive responsibility.

I am quite sure when Sir Alex went for Carrick that the eventual idea was for him to replace Scholes, because he knew he had to get another midfielder, a more defensive one. Now this little fella called Anderson has arrived and stirred the pot, but I do believe that it is Carrick and Hargreaves who will be the heart of our midfield in the coming years. I'd like to see Anderson taking a few steps up and put most of his talent in the attack.. Even though he surprisingly enough has showed us that he's also an excellent ball-winner.

Just to elucidate the idea, my vision is that Hargreaves will be Gattuso, Carrick will be Pirlo (he probably won't be quite as good) and Anderson will be Kaká.

Dreaming over.



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You know you want to, Benny

dude hargreaves can play the wide defender role to, something he did much at bayern, he is very versatile in the midfiled, he is still settling in.

i would not be suprised to see him moved to the back 4 in his latter years.

he is quality, no he is not a samba dancing flame ring hoop jumping brazilian, but he is a solid player, who brings alot of experience to the club.

[Jason Holm88]

Sure, he's not a bad passer/crosser of the ball and he seems to have decent vision as well.

[jeevs]

Everyones hatin on Hargreaves but he's barely played and who knows if hes been playing 100% anyway. In 2000, his first year at Bayern, he played the Galactico layden Real Madrid in the CL semis and destroyed anything the likes of Roberto Carlos or Luis Figo tryed to accomplish. When in full form, which i dont think he has achieved yet in his 10 game Man Utd career, he has has the ability to stop any attack a team can throw at him because of his tireless worth ethic and tremendous awareness. He is like a wall if he can be fully fit and in form.

It's kinda like what everyone said about tevez and mascherano in their first games at West Ham or Eduardo Da Silva at Arsenal.

[Jason Holm88]

Er with the exception that Hargreaves has almost been Man of the Match in all of the games he's started in

[ForeverBlue'86]

Hargreaves is very average IMO.

One of the very few who stood out in a very poor England team. Became one of the most overrated players after it - not worth £18M, and he's made of glass,

[palancas7]

Like Fiberglass!!

[ForeverMUFC6]

Fergie was after him long before the world cup... and his performances so far in a United shirt have had me nursing a semi at times

especially against Arsenal... he's been the only player all season to be able to break down they're fancy dan passing and have Fabregas eating out of his hand... and make it look easy.


he runs all day, he closes down and hassles people, he wins ball and just gets in the way and his a nuisance... but his best asset is his anticipation, he's worked out where the balls going to be passed even before the player with the ball has... and then he's quick enough to be able to get himself in the way of it or just stop that option... thats the kind of thing that goes unnoticed, it might just look like a bad pass... he stops players being able to pick the pass they want to hit (arsenal and fabregas prime example)


i like the fact that supporters of other teams think he's average though... just a shame the midfielders and forwards of their teams won't be half as excited as them when they have to play against him.

[ForeverBlue'86]

Originally Posted by ForeverMUFC6

i like the fact that supporters of other teams think he's average though... just a shame the midfielders and forwards of their teams won't be half as excited as them when they have to play against him.

Likewise with Essien an Mikel... shame you lot missed out on both eh?

Mikels going to be one of the best Midfielders in the world in a couple years time - just needs to stop trying to out do Dennis Wise in the red card department.

Hargreaves is average though IMO, seen him plenty enough for Bayern to come to that conclusion.

[ForeverMUFC6]

he could have been as lalalala as he liked for Bayern, he hasn't had a bad game for us yet and thats all that matters.

Realy gutted we missed out on Mikel, he's a lovely lad. The fact he wanted to play for Chelsea over United because you happened to be winning more things than us at the time will really stand you in good stead when he starts consistantly performing well and Barca and Real come sniffing

[jeevs]

Originally Posted by Jason Holm88

Er with the exception that Hargreaves has almost been Man of the Match in all of the games he's started in

He's played good, but i wouldn't call him man of the match with the form of ronaldo and tevez to name a few. He can still do better, i dont think hes up to full speed yet. (not talking about actual speed)

[ForeverBlue'86]

Originally Posted by ForeverMUFC6

he could have been as lalalala as he liked for Bayern, he hasn't had a bad game for us yet and thats all that matters.

Realy gutted we missed out on Mikel, he's a lovely lad. The fact he wanted to play for Chelsea over United because you happened to be winning more things than us at the time will really stand you in good stead when he starts consistantly performing well and Barca and Real come sniffing

What makes you think he'll leave?

Mikels quality, think he's being held back a little bit by Grunt though - needs to show his qualities going fowards cause he's easily one of the best passers in the league, whenever he manages to get foward he does something good with it - one of our simpletons up front manages to fluff it though.

[jeevs]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

Hargreaves is very average IMO.

One of the very few who stood out in a very poor England team. Became one of the most overrated players after it - not worth £18M, and he's made of glass,

Yeah, his problem is he is very injury prone. But he is much better than average. His last year at Bayern was probabaly one his worst year due to the fact he was injured much of the time and was unhappy he didnt move to OT sooner. 18mil may seem steep, but he is a very good DM if he gets to his top form. Being injured so much is probabaly why most people haven't seen what he's capapble of. He's played well for United and played well for Bayern for the most part. Why do u think Bayern were so keen on keeping him if he's just an average player?

[ForeverMUFC6]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlue'86

What makes you think he'll leave?

Mikels quality, think he's being held back a little bit by Grunt though - needs to show his qualities going fowards cause he's easily one of the best passers in the league, whenever he manages to get foward he does something good with it - one of our simpletons up front manages to fluff it though.

Because he's undoubtedly a class act... so inevitably there'll be interest from other clubs at some point, and will you be as doing as well as you were when he joined you when that interest comes??? If no then i can see him coming, he doesn't strike me as the loyal type... or maybe my consciouse has been poisoined by him... you never know though, he might start to mature a bit soonish

[ForeverBlue'86]

Originally Posted by ForeverMUFC6

Because he's undoubtedly a class act... so inevitably there'll be interest from other clubs at some point, and will you be as doing as well as you were when he joined you when that interest comes??? If no then i can see him coming, he doesn't strike me as the loyal type... or maybe my consciouse has been poisoined by him... you never know though, he might start to mature a bit soonish

I just expect a card off him nowadays - same when I see Sergio Ramos play, lalalalain nutcase.

Somehow we managed to weaken our team over the last couple seasons, was near perfect a few seasons back... we'll still be winning titles by the time he fully matures... I hope. ;-)

[jeevs]

looks like u need a new striker though with drogba leaving and shevchenko's age. kalou will be a good player, but he needs a running mate, a young one would be better. (kun aguero, benzema?)

[ChelseablueDCU26]

sahar

[Matieo10]

OK, so why did everyone all of sudden start flamin' on Fabregas?

So far, he's been one of the best players in the EPL, and has taken' the farthest strides in terms of overall playing ability and performances. He could be as fragile as you call him, I don't think he is one bit when he's carvin' a path through every defense in the EPL week-in, week-out. Not to mention his new found scoring ability this year, don't under estimate the kid.