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Jason Holm88 · 24-12-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by smeltzerinho27

Yes, consistent if you mean all the non-big matches

The best players (or who's regarded the best) often struggle in "big" matches, usually due to them being overly marked. Eg with Ronaldo he usually gets two or three men on him whenever he's got the ball.

But..

Where was Gerrard against us?

Where was Fabregas?

(Actually that was Anderson's doing

)

Where is Lampard in most matches?

I could go on.

smeltzerinho · 24-12-2007, 01:38 AM

I could go on contradicting your point....Gerrard, when Liverpool needed him more than they ever will.......was there. Against you, who knows....last match he seemed instructed to play a defensive duty of which he did very well.

Lampard is 50/50

Fabregas has just taken control of Arsenal this season........and he is there.......Tottenham, Liverpool. You can't fault Fabregas this season.

I've never seen Ronaldo impress in the big matches. Not one.

But then sometimes, when you reflect....the BIG matches are not necessarily the ones you'd expect.

Jason Holm88 · 24-12-2007, 01:59 AM

Coming up examples isn't gonna make me nor Ronaldo look good, but he's had a few great matches against Arsenal, and against Roma last year.. And several for Portugal

I'll agree that there are several big matches that he's failed to deliver in, but I'll play the excessive marking-card once again. I think it's valid. He's young though and I'm sure he'll improve in his big game performances. And to be honest even if he doesn't, it's quite all right with him carrying us in all the other matches.

Reddevils900 · 24-12-2007, 02:04 AM

agree with Holm, Jason Holm

Ronaldo does get over marked in the big games and he plays in a difficult role. in my opinion its easier to influence big games as a centre midfielder, hence Fabregas and Gerrard playing good more often then not in the big games.

anyway i would take Ronaldo not playing well in the big games if he keeps winning us thesematches against the, so called, crappier teams because we have many other talents that can perform in the big games like Rooney, Giggs and even Tevez (scored against Chelsea and Liverpool)

smeltzerinho · 24-12-2007, 02:19 AM

oh that's bull....the teams that mark ronaldo with such ferocity are going to mark Gerrard and Fabregas exactly the same.

"in my opinion its easier to influence big games as a centre midfielder, hence Fabregas and Gerrard playing good more often then not in the big games." - makes no sense as it's Ronaldo who doesn't turn up as...basically a winger.

The fact that you say "crappier teams" is exactly why the neutrals in England want Arsenal to do you over and win it. Arsenal fans respect their opponents, meanwhile you've won it before it's begun.

Proper football, Dutch football if you like is gonna beat "when Ronaldo turns up" any day.

Arrogance is not attractive.

Reddevils900 · 24-12-2007, 02:28 AM

i said, and i quote, :

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, so called, crappier teams

I am not saying they are crappier teams, but thats what people say when they talk about us playing teams below the top 4-6. i respect the likes of Sunderland, Newcastle as much as the next guy and so do United players

i remember in the 2004(?) Carling Cup final against Wigan, we were leading 4-0 and Ronaldo was doing keep ups with the ball, pretty much taking the **** out of Wigan and Giggsy went over to Ronaldo to have ago at him and to tell him to stop all this show boating and show some respect. thats United. thats how players are brought up, to respect the tem you play

i applauded that.

anyway you dont see 2 to 3 players marking Fabregas do you? thats because they cant, seeing as he plays in the center you cant get your center backs to help you out. Where as if you are defending against Ronaldo down the wing you can get, along with the LB, the LM and LCB, if he is available, to help

so it is easier to double up on the wingers

smeltzerinho · 24-12-2007, 02:39 AM

I agree, totally agree, it's much more difficult to defend against central midfielders than wingers+. But then Ronaldo isn't your typical winger is he? just like Gerrard and Fabregas arent the typical CMs.....great players play everywhere.....but I bet my life when the majority of the Premier League sides face you the managers discuss Ronaldo and who's marking him, and it wont be just the wing he starts on.

Giggs is a legend. He's a player that I'd wish every premiership player was. Immense and honest. But that doesn't go for the rest of the Manchester United side. The "respecting players" is lalalala, you just have to look at Ronaldo dive at the perfect opportunity and it all goes against your imaginary stance of an honest and sportsmanlike team.

rangerbsh6 · 24-12-2007, 03:05 AM

Ronaldo doesn't seem to do his best in the big games, but look at the game at the Emirates, got shut down a lot but still contributed to the scoreline, and that's all that matters in the end.

smeltzerinho · 24-12-2007, 03:10 AM

Same for Fabregas then. (apart from the fact he DOES turn up at the big matches (s'far)

Reddevils900 · 24-12-2007, 03:13 AM

but all Fabregas has to do is make a few good passes

where as ronaldo needs to run past players(world class defenders/players) and get good crosses or good shots to have a "good game"

rangerbsh6 · 24-12-2007, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reddevils900

but all Fabregas has to do is make a few good passes

where as ronaldo needs to run past players(world class defenders/players) and get good crosses or good shots to have a "good game"

A central playmaking midfielder and a winger are very different. I don't know if he's played "badly" against Arsenal as much as our backs shutting him down.

BodirogaJ · 24-12-2007, 05:46 AM

@Matieo10: Didn't you say other day that Kaka is the best player in 2007, what brought you know to change the opinion? Don't tell me you are changing players like a socks.

@red a few good passes can bring you a win, pass means a lot.

Matieo10 · 24-12-2007, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by smeltzerinho27

I've never seen Ronaldo impress in the big matches. Not one.

Portugal x England...maybe Cole should learn to close his legs, nuff said

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Originally Posted by BodirogaJ

@Matieo10: Didn't you say other day that Kaka is the best player in 2007, what brought you know to change the opinion? Don't tell me you are changing players like a socks.

I said Ricardo Kaka deserves the Fifa Player award, no doubt, and that's being completely neutral about the situation.

I am biased when talking about my fellow countrymen, and even our brothers in Brasil. Does Cristiano deserve a spot as the best in the world? hellz yeah, he's had a better start to this season than Kaka...and considering Kaka only won the Ballon d'Or and World Player award based on Milan's performance in the CL and somewhat in the league, it should've been down to him and Ronaldo...not stupid Messi getting any acclaim.

Kaka fully deserved it, Ronaldo is underrated by the media sometimes because of his bad boy appearance compared to the little midget and his growth problem, and the oh holy knight of Milan.

That's my rant, I don't mean any offence, but that's just how I see it...

palancas7 · 24-12-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Reddevils900

but all Fabregas has to do is make a few good passes

where as ronaldo needs to run past players(world class defenders/players) and get good crosses or good shots to have a "good game"

You MUST be the turk.

ForeverBlue'86 · 24-12-2007, 02:16 PM

I agree with Smeltz. Whenever Liverpool need Gerrard, he is there - all the time. Fabregas - didn't he score in the Utd game?

Played really well against us even a couple years ago when he was just 18. Lampard? LOL! Poor example.

Ronaldo is a terrific player, but he never shows up in the big games, hasn't this season an never did last season when they needed him most in the FA Cup final an CL Semi final - an speaking of which, he was the one who gave the ball away right at the end of the Arsenal game last season at OT where you lost 1-0.

As for being over-marked... shirley a team outside the top 4 would mark him more than a bigger team?

Reddevils900 · 24-12-2007, 03:32 PM

They may, but their defenders are not as good

Anyway here is something interesting that i learned:

You all know Anelka's celebration right? well now i know why he does that, because his daughters French name is 'butterfly' in english

Reddevils900 · 24-12-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by palancas7

You MUST be the turk.

whatever you say buddy

i have been here since 2005, got banned in the old forums

but when EA changed sites i guess everyone that was banned was unbanned?

jeevs · 24-12-2007, 05:23 PM

Well, ronaldo is leading the EPL in scoring, plus 5 goals in the CL. he has a good shot at winning the european golden boot from the midfield, i dont think that has ever happened. (CL goals do not count though) he has 11 goals in the EPL, luis fabiano, david trezeguet, and rafael van der vaart lead la liga, serie a, and the bundesliga with 10 goals each. benzema has 12 and mcdonald has 13 in theLigue 1 and the SPL, klaas jun huntelaar has 13 in the erdivese, but those are weaker leagues, so each goal doesnt count as much.

In the CL, his 5 are only second to luis fabianos 7. He has a chance to have an incredible season and sweep the awards like kaka did this year, especially with messi missing time.

jeevs · 24-12-2007, 05:24 PM

forgot lisandro lopez with 10 outta porto

manublood4life · 24-12-2007, 10:25 PM

Who thinks Ronaldo should have atleast gotten second place in world footballer awards, if not 1st place?

BodirogaJ · 24-12-2007, 11:05 PM

every manchester united supporter, simple.

Galatasaray · 25-12-2007, 05:51 AM

theres no doubt that cristiano ronaldo deserved at least second. i meen come on everyone know's it. i think he deserved first but kaka did well to but i think hes a little inconsistent

kdot92 · 25-12-2007, 07:18 PM

ok, we may not have seen ronaldo play well in the 'big' matches for united, but for portugal he always seems to shine, remember when he was captain for portugal against brazil and he had their defenders running all over the place so we know he can have an impact against the top teams without scoring

Reddevils900 · 26-12-2007, 10:43 PM

i would say this has been a perfect day for us

Cristiano=

.. again!!

thank you Villa and Portsmouth

TOP OF THE LEAGUE.. WE AAAAARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE

STAND UP.. FOR THE CHAMPIONS
STAND UP.. FOR THE CHAMPIONS
STAND UP.. FOR THE CHAMPIONS

did anyone stand up?

jeevs · 26-12-2007, 10:52 PM

could have been 6-0 if rooney converted 2 gilt edged chances. could have bagged a hat trick

24-12-2007, 01:38 AM	#15702 (permalink)
smeltzerinho Festive know-it-all Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your face Gender: Male Posts: 20,354	I could go on contradicting your point....Gerrard, when Liverpool needed him more than they ever will.......was there. Against you, who knows....last match he seemed instructed to play a defensive duty of which he did very well. Lampard is 50/50 Fabregas has just taken control of Arsenal this season........and he is there.......Tottenham, Liverpool. You can't fault Fabregas this season. I've never seen Ronaldo impress in the big matches. Not one. But then sometimes, when you reflect....the BIG matches are not necessarily the ones you'd expect. __________________ Rutter Out Last edited by smeltzerinho; 24-12-2007 at 01:44 AM..

24-12-2007, 01:59 AM	#15703 (permalink)
Jason Holm88 EA Veteran Join Date: Feb 2005 Age: 21 Posts: 14,095	Coming up examples isn't gonna make me nor Ronaldo look good, but he's had a few great matches against Arsenal, and against Roma last year.. And several for Portugal I'll agree that there are several big matches that he's failed to deliver in, but I'll play the excessive marking-card once again. I think it's valid. He's young though and I'm sure he'll improve in his big game performances. And to be honest even if he doesn't, it's quite all right with him carrying us in all the other matches. __________________ CHAMPIONS OF ENGLAND - CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE "You can't win anything with kids"

24-12-2007, 02:19 AM	#15705 (permalink)
smeltzerinho Festive know-it-all Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your face Gender: Male Posts: 20,354	oh that's bull....the teams that mark ronaldo with such ferocity are going to mark Gerrard and Fabregas exactly the same. "in my opinion its easier to influence big games as a centre midfielder, hence Fabregas and Gerrard playing good more often then not in the big games." - makes no sense as it's Ronaldo who doesn't turn up as...basically a winger. The fact that you say "crappier teams" is exactly why the neutrals in England want Arsenal to do you over and win it. Arsenal fans respect their opponents, meanwhile you've won it before it's begun. Proper football, Dutch football if you like is gonna beat "when Ronaldo turns up" any day. Arrogance is not attractive. __________________ Rutter Out Last edited by smeltzerinho; 24-12-2007 at 02:26 AM..

24-12-2007, 02:39 AM	#15707 (permalink)
smeltzerinho Festive know-it-all Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your face Gender: Male Posts: 20,354	I agree, totally agree, it's much more difficult to defend against central midfielders than wingers+. But then Ronaldo isn't your typical winger is he? just like Gerrard and Fabregas arent the typical CMs.....great players play everywhere.....but I bet my life when the majority of the Premier League sides face you the managers discuss Ronaldo and who's marking him, and it wont be just the wing he starts on. Giggs is a legend. He's a player that I'd wish every premiership player was. Immense and honest. But that doesn't go for the rest of the Manchester United side. The "respecting players" is lalalala, you just have to look at Ronaldo dive at the perfect opportunity and it all goes against your imaginary stance of an honest and sportsmanlike team. __________________ Rutter Out Last edited by smeltzerinho; 24-12-2007 at 02:42 AM..

24-12-2007, 03:05 AM	#15708 (permalink)
rangerbsh6 Forum Guru Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 2,490	Ronaldo doesn't seem to do his best in the big games, but look at the game at the Emirates, got shut down a lot but still contributed to the scoreline, and that's all that matters in the end. __________________ Thanks to Arsenal007 of the Soccerpulse Forums for the avatar!

24-12-2007, 02:04 AM	#15704 (permalink)
Reddevils900 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bath, England Age: 99 Posts: 784	agree with Holm, Jason Holm Ronaldo does get over marked in the big games and he plays in a difficult role. in my opinion its easier to influence big games as a centre midfielder, hence Fabregas and Gerrard playing good more often then not in the big games. anyway i would take Ronaldo not playing well in the big games if he keeps winning us thesematches against the, so called, crappier teams because we have many other talents that can perform in the big games like Rooney, Giggs and even Tevez (scored against Chelsea and Liverpool)

24-12-2007, 03:10 AM	#15709 (permalink)
smeltzerinho Festive know-it-all Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your face Gender: Male Posts: 20,354	Same for Fabregas then. (apart from the fact he DOES turn up at the big matches (s'far) __________________ Rutter Out

24-12-2007, 03:13 AM	#15710 (permalink)
Reddevils900 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bath, England Age: 99 Posts: 784	but all Fabregas has to do is make a few good passes where as ronaldo needs to run past players(world class defenders/players) and get good crosses or good shots to have a "good game"

24-12-2007, 05:46 AM	#15712 (permalink)
BodirogaJ Elite Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Fiji Age: 47 Posts: 6,489	@Matieo10: Didn't you say other day that Kaka is the best player in 2007, what brought you know to change the opinion? Don't tell me you are changing players like a socks. @red a few good passes can bring you a win, pass means a lot.

24-12-2007, 02:16 PM	#15715 (permalink)
ForeverBlue'86 Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 22 Gender: Male Posts: 7,008	I agree with Smeltz. Whenever Liverpool need Gerrard, he is there - all the time. Fabregas - *didn't he score* in the Utd game?** Played really well against us even a couple years ago when he was just 18. Lampard? LOL! Poor example. Ronaldo is a terrific player, but he never shows up in the big games, hasn't this season an never did last season when they needed him most in the FA Cup final an CL Semi final - an speaking of which, he was the one who gave the ball away right at the end of the Arsenal game last season at OT where you lost 1-0. As for being over-marked... shirley a team outside the top 4 would mark him more than a bigger team?

24-12-2007, 03:32 PM	#15716 (permalink)
Reddevils900 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bath, England Age: 99 Posts: 784	They may, but their defenders are not as good Anyway here is something interesting that i learned: You all know Anelka's celebration right? well now i know why he does that, because his daughters French name is 'butterfly' in english

24-12-2007, 05:23 PM	#15718 (permalink)
jeevs Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 395	Well, ronaldo is leading the EPL in scoring, plus 5 goals in the CL. he has a good shot at winning the european golden boot from the midfield, i dont think that has ever happened. (CL goals do not count though) he has 11 goals in the EPL, luis fabiano, david trezeguet, and rafael van der vaart lead la liga, serie a, and the bundesliga with 10 goals each. benzema has 12 and mcdonald has 13 in theLigue 1 and the SPL, klaas jun huntelaar has 13 in the erdivese, but those are weaker leagues, so each goal doesnt count as much. In the CL, his 5 are only second to luis fabianos 7. He has a chance to have an incredible season and sweep the awards like kaka did this year, especially with messi missing time. __________________ DUNCAN EDWARDS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. glory glory manutd!!!

24-12-2007, 05:24 PM	#15719 (permalink)
jeevs Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 395	forgot lisandro lopez with 10 outta porto __________________ DUNCAN EDWARDS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. glory glory manutd!!!

24-12-2007, 10:25 PM	#15720 (permalink)
manublood4life Rookie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 6	Who thinks Ronaldo should have atleast gotten second place in world footballer awards, if not 1st place? __________________ GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED!!! 20LEGEND- WE SHALL NEVER FORGET

24-12-2007, 11:05 PM	#15721 (permalink)
BodirogaJ Elite Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Fiji Age: 47 Posts: 6,489	every manchester united supporter, simple.

25-12-2007, 05:51 AM	#15722 (permalink)
Galatasaray Elite Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6,759	theres no doubt that cristiano ronaldo deserved at least second. i meen come on everyone know's it. i think he deserved first but kaka did well to but i think hes a little inconsistent __________________ Who do I owe, and for what? I don't think about the word 'owe'. I owe something to my Dad, yes, who put me on this planet - Thierry Henry

25-12-2007, 07:18 PM	#15723 (permalink)
kdot92 Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My house...where else would i be? Gender: Male Posts: 3,054	ok, we may not have seen ronaldo play well in the 'big' matches for united, but for portugal he always seems to shine, remember when he was captain for portugal against brazil and he had their defenders running all over the place so we know he can have an impact against the top teams without scoring

26-12-2007, 10:43 PM	#15724 (permalink)
Reddevils900 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bath, England Age: 99 Posts: 784	i would say this has been a perfect day for us Cristiano= .. again!! thank you Villa and Portsmouth TOP OF THE LEAGUE.. WE AAAAARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE STAND UP.. FOR THE CHAMPIONS STAND UP.. FOR THE CHAMPIONS STAND UP.. FOR THE CHAMPIONS did anyone stand up?

26-12-2007, 10:52 PM	#15725 (permalink)
jeevs Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 395	could have been 6-0 if rooney converted 2 gilt edged chances. could have bagged a hat trick __________________ DUNCAN EDWARDS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. glory glory manutd!!!