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[kyro7]

Originally Posted by den525player

Right... so blind. stop taking biased views.



Everyone here seems to have the man city or chelsea view.

Why the hell do we need Maicon? he is a very good RB, but we don't need him.

You simply want the best players in the world for every position, thats all you want, treat it like fifa.

You simply don't have the manchester united mentality, over the years we give opportunities to our younger players, but you don't have that, all you want is new players, pathetic really. Just like in the summer when you want to sign robben.

Our club is based on developing players, without that we would never produce the amount of players we did, if Fergie and United think the way you do, we wouldn't of developed players like Fletcher, Jonny Evans, O'shea (in the current team).

Brown did very well a few years back (he just needs to get fit), O'shea played very well all last season and this season. O'shea has contributed alot in defence and attack, he hasn't made anywhere near as many mistakes as Rio or Vidic this season. He set up your beloved berbatov over the weekend, scored a goal recently as well.

Gary Neville might be old, but he is still very capable, he is our club captain afterall, so he will play in carling cup ties and against weaker teams when fit. Rafael has great potential, but surely if he makes a few mistakes here and there, you would want him out, wouldn't you?

Presuming Maicon would cost somewhere up to 15-20m as he is in his prime, what is the need? surely he will be better than the other 4 players, but is it worth it? no.

Signing Maicon would mean forcing Neville to retire, forcing O'shea who worked so hard for this club to return to the bench/probably force him out of the club, Rafael will get limited opportunities for the next few years, meaning he probably won't develop into the player he could be.

Looking back now, as good as Hargreaves can be, he don't need him, never did. If we didn't sign him nothing would of changed, Fletcher would of got more opportunities before. We would of saved 18m.

I'm with you on the Maicon situation, we don't need him, he is world class, but not what we should buy, I'd rather by a striker who plays like Saha to be honest.. though if we did sign Maicon I wouldn't complain.

And on the Jovetic story, we only want to sign him because he scores twice against Liverpool.

[FreshGeeza]

Originally Posted by kyro7

I'm with you on the Maicon situation, we don't need him, he is world class, but not what we should buy, I'd rather by a striker who plays like Saha to be honest.. though if we did sign Maicon I wouldn't complain.

And on the Jovetic story, we only want to sign him because he scores twice against Liverpool.

him being eastern european don't help either, Fergie seems to be liking that part of the world at the mo.

We dont need Maicon? No we dont but lalalala it would be good to get a player of his calibure join but meh... not like we havent got decent enuf right backs.

[ponka00]

Originally Posted by den525player

thats what any strikers do... Im sorry grawrocks but consistency (what you are implying) and berbatov in the same sentence? you've got to be kidding.

its funny you mentioned that... sorry to go back to tevez, but its funny how so many people contradict themselves (not you particularly). This whole season all i've seen berbatov doing is wall passes back to our midfielders, yet he is "consistently holding the ball up well", yet when Tevez did is, he wasn't producing, when they were doing the same thing.

People make it out as if i hate Berbatov all the time, i don't. I'm not biased either, i totally praised his great goal, and when he does have a good game, i praise him.

He is the only player in our team that manges to hold up the ball like that. I agree that Berbatov is not concistent, but even on a bad day he is the one that keeps the ball in possesion so that we can move our team forward.

And also I agree with you that Tevez gets way too much hate here, he worked really well along with Rooney until Berba came...

[United4Lyf]

Ye Man

[den525player]

Originally Posted by ViVaRooney

*facepalm*

its all good and well giving youngsters games but you still need experience in the first team. someone that can produce consistently. you ever wondered why arsenal havent won a thing in 5 years? no matter how good the young players is until they are 24-25 they dont have that consistency and mental strength to deal with first team football... not these days anyway. in the 90's you could play with youngsters as you could afford to lose 6-7 games and still win the league

i actually want us to win titles, shoot me. and to do that you first need the players then you can have the youth behind them and once those experienced players leave then if the youngsters are good enough they can take their place. you are leaving in a fairy land if you think youngsters can deliver premier league or CL titles in these times.
it is far too early for rafael. he has ofcourse made mistakes, HE IS lalalalaING 20 YEARS OLD.

I personally dont rate Oshea, sure i love how he can cover nearly the whole back 4 but he is still dodgy defensively and attacking imo. i would want him in the squad but not the team. with neville... i just said "he cant seem to get back to back games", thats not up for debate.

in the end, if a player is available and he can improve the team then i would want him here..... you seem to take these "if we got him..." talks far too serious. its a forum lighten the lalalala up

every united supporter wants to win titles, but its the way how the clubs wins, I don't want united to win by buying players for every position.

You can twist it all your want, United at the moment and for the past 3 years has the best mixture of youth and experience, we've always had that.

if you are trying to say we don't have players than there is something wrong. In defence we have Vidic and Rio both very experienced, even evra. If Rafael were the only RB at united i wouldn't have a problem whatsoever. In midfield we have plenty of experience, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick, Park, upfront rooney, owen and berbatov are all experienced.

You say if a player is available and he would improve the team you would want him. Would he improve the team/squad? Do we have a problem at RB? not that i know of. Like i said O'shea hasn't done anything wrong this season, thats why Brown, Neville nor Rafael is getting a game there. He has been the strongest out of the back 4 this season.

Originally Posted by GrawRocks

He is the only player in our team that manges to hold up the ball like that. I agree that Berbatov is not concistent, but even on a bad day he is the one that keeps the ball in possesion so that we can move our team forward.

And also I agree with you that Tevez gets way too much hate here, he worked really well along with Rooney until Berba came...

What i tried to say was obviously he is the only one, because rooney and owen doesn't play that role.

I simply can't agree with you that even when berbatov is having a bad day he can keep hold of the ball, he has lost so much possession its not funny, in the sunderland game, he was always a step too late to get to the ball, when you look at it, it looks like a bad pass, but when i watched the replay again, it was always berbatov who suppose to be at the end of the "loose" pass, that is just as bad or worst than getting the ball and giving it away.

Tevez/Rooney were a much better partnership, end of story.

One of the commentators the other day said that last season rooney/berbatov only combined for 3 goals in all the games they played together!!! that is quite a poor partnership.

I simply can't see how anyone could say Berbatov/Rooney is a good partnership, they haven't gelled at all. This season they haven't linked at all either.

People opinion on Berbatov can be different, he has played some good games, but him and rooney together? not for me.

Rooney imo is THE player for us now ronaldo is gone, so i would definitely want another player to partner with Rooney.

lol i think Heskey would have a bigger impact at united than berbatov (think about it before you go off your head).

[ViVaRooney]

Everton - Louis Saha is back in business after fearing it was the end | Give Me Football

hope he continues injury free, loved saha

[Giggs_Legend]

Originally Posted by ViVaRooney

Everton - Louis Saha is back in business after fearing it was the end | Give Me Football

hope he continues injury free, loved saha

Yeh, it was a shame about Saha, he was a beast of a finisher. Remember when he had that injury free spell? when he was even keeping Ruud out of the team.

[DannyB]

Going back to that Lampard, Gerrard, Barry/Carrick story. It says they've won 3 between them(not including Carrick there) but the article seems to forget to mention the fact that Gerrard and Lampard have won numerous FA and Carling Cups

Not that I'm defending them two

[Walkers24]

Originally Posted by ViVaRooney

Everton - Louis Saha is back in business after fearing it was the end | Give Me Football

hope he continues injury free, loved saha

Why did we sell him.

[Super-manc]

How can I possibly be biased, den? That doesn't make any sense.

[FreshGeeza]

Originally Posted by Walkers24

Why did we sell him.

beeeaaaccauuuussseee...

we dont need him.

I'm of the same opinion though, I do miss Saha...still a stunning player just ashame we never really got THE best out of him and he never played at his best for a period of time.

[den525player]

Originally Posted by Super-manc

How can I possibly be biased, den? That doesn't make any sense.

...? you think berbatov is like the greatest player ever, how can that not be biased? you think berbatov is playing well... how can that not be biased? when himself and many respected football experts said he hasn't reached anywhere near his best.

Originally Posted by FreshGeeza

beeeaaaccauuuussseee...

we dont need him.

I'm of the same opinion though, I do miss Saha...still a stunning player just ashame we never really got THE best out of him and he never played at his best for a period of time.

Saha was just here at the wrong time, injuries didn't help. When we signed him, he was never going to be at United long. There was RVN, rooney was still very raw back then, but he was always eventually going to start consistently, we also had Solskjaer.

Saha got his injuries at the wrong time, he started his united career very well, but got injured, when RVN left, he was injured again. When he wasn't injured, he just couldn't get into the team regularly.

But whenever he played he would score, that is the type of strikers we dearly miss, the proper goal scorers. We have 2 2nd strikers atm.

Than Ronaldo hit top form, more bad timing for Saha, then we loaned tevez, therefore bye bye saha.

it was unfortunate, saha was the type of player that could of scored alot of goals at united, he was very good in the air, could score from anywhere and had great striker instinct and gets into good scoring positions.

He wasn't a top striker, but with the amount of chances United create, striker who is half decent would score goals.

[Anderson=klass]

Originally Posted by den525player

...? you think berbatov is like the greatest player ever, how can that not be biased? you think berbatov is playing well... how can that not be biased? when himself and many respected football experts said he hasn't reached anywhere near his best.



Saha was just here at the wrong time, injuries didn't help. When we signed him, he was never going to be at United long. There was RVN, rooney was still very raw back then, but he was always eventually going to start consistently, we also had Solskjaer.

Saha got his injuries at the wrong time, he started his united career very well, but got injured, when RVN left, he was injured again. When he wasn't injured, he just couldn't get into the team regularly.

Than Ronaldo hit top form, more bad timing for Saha, then we loaned tevez, therefore bye bye saha.

it was unfortunate, saha was the type of player that could of scored alot of goals at united, he was very good in the air, could score from anywhere and had great striker instinct and gets into good scoring positions.

He wasn't a top striker, but with the amount of chances United create, striker who is half decent would score goals.

No, At the start of the 2006-07 season (when RVN left) he started really well and scored 13 times even though he missed 90% of games after Christmas.

[Walkers24]

Ohhh I miss Solskjaer.

Agreed with Den, if Saha had came a few years later it would have brought the best out of him.

[FreshGeeza]

Originally Posted by den525player

...? you think berbatov is like the greatest player ever, how can that not be biased? you think berbatov is playing well... how can that not be biased? when himself and many respected football experts said he hasn't reached anywhere near his best.



Saha was just here at the wrong time, injuries didn't help. When we signed him, he was never going to be at United long. There was RVN, rooney was still very raw back then, but he was always eventually going to start consistently, we also had Solskjaer.

Saha got his injuries at the wrong time, he started his united career very well, but got injured, when RVN left, he was injured again. When he wasn't injured, he just couldn't get into the team regularly.

But whenever he played he would score, that is the type of strikers we dearly miss, the proper goal scorers. We have 2 2nd strikers atm.

Than Ronaldo hit top form, more bad timing for Saha, then we loaned tevez, therefore bye bye saha.

it was unfortunate, saha was the type of player that could of scored alot of goals at united, he was very good in the air, could score from anywhere and had great striker instinct and gets into good scoring positions.

He wasn't a top striker, but with the amount of chances United create, striker who is half decent would score goals.

@ Bold Part:

Berbatov has got his own class but very few can see it really, He is brilliant at linking up play but is lacking goals. Berba is playing well at the moment but still not like what he was at Tottenham. soo thats not biased really because he is doing ok for us at the moment.

Saha is a top striker, He's at Everton and bagging goals and bagged a ton at Fulham aswell and look at the players they have? quality attackers but they aint Ronaldo, Nistelrooy, Giggs quality of attacking are they? His injuries are defo what f@^£ed his Manchester United career up if you asked me.

still a class player however, his pace and finishing was killer but I do agree with what most you are saying Den.

[den525player]

Originally Posted by Anderson=klass

No, At the start of the 2006-07 season (when RVN left) he started really well and scored 13 times even though he missed 90% of games after Christmas.

It was a summary

[Super-manc]

Originally Posted by den525player

...? you think berbatov is like the greatest player ever

No I don't. He's nowhere near being my favourite player at United. I think he's better than Tevez, that's all I've said.

you think berbatov is playing well... how can that not be biased? when himself and many respected football experts said he hasn't reached anywhere near his best.

Well, right now, Berbatov is playing well. He is not at his best, but neither is anyone in the squad except for Fletcher up until last week, Giggs and Evra.

[FormAtom_Juve]

Is this Tevez vs Berbatov thing still going on? Some people need to let it go and give their full support to the WHOLE squad. Get behind them, not always look for something negative that they do .

[Super-manc]

Originally Posted by FormAtom_Juve

Is this Tevez vs Berbatov thing still going on? Some people need to let it go and give their full support to the WHOLE squad. Get behind them, not always look for something negative that they do .

If den wasn't here I don't think Tevez would have been mentioned in this thread for the past few months.

[FormAtom_Juve]

The guy needs to let it go or fly to Manchester and suck on his schlong . I'd rather have a skillful player, who is great at linking up play, then having a headless chicken running round

[den525player]

Originally Posted by FreshGeeza

@ Bold Part:

Berbatov has got his own class but very few can see it really, He is brilliant at linking up play but is lacking goals. Berba is playing well at the moment but still not like what he was at Tottenham. soo thats not biased really because he is doing ok for us at the moment.

Saha is a top striker, He's at Everton and bagging goals and bagged a ton at Fulham aswell and look at the players they have? quality attackers but they aint Ronaldo, Nistelrooy, Giggs quality of attacking are they? His injuries are defo what f@^£ed his Manchester United career up if you asked me.

still a class player however, his pace and finishing was killer but I do agree with what most you are saying Den.

The reason i don't like Berbatov in the team is NOT because he is a bad player, it is because he doesn't suit United's style, we are changing our style to suit berbatov.

Berbatov can link well with the team, BUT NOT with Rooney, he isn't linking up well with Rooney at all. Thats why our attack doesn't look lethal, we still keep 60% of the possession against any opponents, but our strike force isn't jelling.

3 goals came from Berbatov setting up Rooney (vice versa) all last season, shows how poorly their link up play is and their lack of understanding.

When you think about it, who hasn't partnered well with Rooney?? Berbatov is the only one. Rooney partnered very well with RVN, very well with Solskjaer (when he played), very well with saha, very well with Ronaldo and very well with Tevez (and people said they wouldn't play well together but was a great partnership in 07/0 but Berbatov?

i would like to see someone try and say rooney/berbatov has been a good partnership.

Last season we didn't play the best of football, but we got away with it, because we had a tight defence, and we had ronaldo scoring 30 goals a season.

Can we get away with it this year? so far it has shown we can't. We are relying on luck and magic from players, that is not how teams win championships.

In the first 10 or so games, have we been a great attacking side? no. You can take it out on mistakes at the back, other excuses as well. We made those mistakes in the past, but we would make it up by winning convincingly anyway, so people don't notice it as much, but this season, those mistakes led to very very close shave, draw, and lost.

How many well constructed goals has there been better our front man?

All our goals came from very very nice balls by Giggs, set pieces, luck. How many were great team goals?

[Anderson=klass]

Originally Posted by den525player

The reason i don't like Berbatov in the team is NOT because he is a bad player, it is because he doesn't suit United's style, we are changing our style to suit berbatov.

Berbatov can link well with the team, BUT NOT with Rooney, he isn't linking up well with Rooney at all. Thats why our attack doesn't look lethal, we still keep 60% of the possession against any opponents, but our strike force isn't jelling.

3 goals came from Berbatov setting up Rooney (vice versa) all last season, shows how poorly their link up play is and their lack of understanding.

When you think about it, who hasn't partnered well with Rooney?? Berbatov is the only one. Rooney partnered very well with RVN, very well with Solskjaer (when he played), very well with saha, very well with Ronaldo and very well with Tevez (and people said they wouldn't play well together but was a great partnership in 07/0 but Berbatov?

i would like to see someone try and say rooney/berbatov has been a good partnership.

Last season we didn't play the best of football, but we got away with it, because we had a tight defence, and we had ronaldo scoring 30 goals a season.

Can we get away with it this year? so far it has shown we can't. We are relying on luck and magic from players, that is not how teams win championships.

In the first 10 or so games, have we been a great attacking side? no. You can take it out on mistakes at the back, other excuses as well. We made those mistakes in the past, but we would make it up by winning convincingly anyway, so people don't notice it as much, but this season, those mistakes led to very very close shave, draw, and lost.

How many well constructed goals has there been better our front man?

All our goals came from very very nice balls by Giggs, set pieces, luck. How many were great team goals?

The ones vs wigan.

[Super-manc]

Originally Posted by den525player

The reason i don't like Berbatov in the team is NOT because he is a bad player, it is because he doesn't suit United's style, we are changing our style to suit berbatov.

Berbatov can link well with the team, BUT NOT with Rooney, he isn't linking up well with Rooney at all. Thats why our attack doesn't look lethal, we still keep 60% of the possession against any opponents, but our strike force isn't jelling.

3 goals came from Berbatov setting up Rooney (vice versa) all last season, shows how poorly their link up play is and their lack of understanding.

When you think about it, who hasn't partnered well with Rooney?? Berbatov is the only one. Rooney partnered very well with RVN, very well with Solskjaer (when he played), very well with saha, very well with Ronaldo and very well with Tevez (and people said they wouldn't play well together but was a great partnership in 07/0 but Berbatov?

i would like to see someone try and say rooney/berbatov has been a good partnership.

Last season we didn't play the best of football, but we got away with it, because we had a tight defence, and we had ronaldo scoring 30 goals a season.

Can we get away with it this year? so far it has shown we can't. We are relying on luck and magic from players, that is not how teams win championships.

In the first 10 or so games, have we been a great attacking side? no. You can take it out on mistakes at the back, other excuses as well. We made those mistakes in the past, but we would make it up by winning convincingly anyway, so people don't notice it as much, but this season, those mistakes led to very very close shave, draw, and lost.

How many well constructed goals has there been better our front man?

All our goals came from very very nice balls by Giggs, set pieces, luck. How many were great team goals?

We are not changing our style to suit Berbatov, you can't say Tottenham played negative, slow-paced football. Berbatov is not a slow player. The reason our style was so bad last season was twofold. 1. Ronaldo for obvious reasons. 2. The lack of a settled starting xi, Fergie's rotation.

You say all those players who played well with Rooney (apart from Tevez who I disagree with, one good goal doesn't make them a good partnership), look at the players who have played with Berbatov. Note how Berbatov has also had a slow start to each of

- oh lalalala it I can't be bothered. Believe what you want, I don't give a lalalala.

I just can't believe you're not happy with our start to the season, we've scored 6 more goals than we had at this stage last season, 12 more than the year before.

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