Post your PES 2010 demo impressions here!

[luikang]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

Ofcourse I can. The point is that it just ruins the pleasure when you have to pick Real or Barca each and everytime.

That I can understand. But it's different from being fair or not.

Always playing against the same teams can get boring indeed. It's hard to force someone to use this or that team to please you, even if you restrict it to National teams, or if you add a custom title, people will cheat.

You can always try friendly matches and/or adding friends you can play as small teams with.

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Now that you've expressed what irritates you, let me tell you what irritates me : It's people who'd like to decide how the game should be played.

It's not limited to PES, it's like this in any online game where there is competition. People who can't stand to lose/suck will always find something to whine about. In PES for example, if you run with Ronaldo you're a "Madrid noob" as Ahmed calls them. If you pass too much, you're a ping pong player.

Today I played several matches as Marseille, and 75% of people didn't go fair and played as their favorite top team. I didn't complain, I never do. Actually, there's nothing to complain about to me.. I would never ask someone to play with the team I want him to play, or I'd just play against the CPU and pick both teams.

On PES fans, some people made a funny request. Highly ranked players shouldn't be allowed to use good teams. LOL !

That is so pathetic.. " I can't win please handicap other players so I can win ".

Next, I'll see rooms named " No REAL, no BARCA, no CROSSES, no HEADERS, no SHOTS "..

Or better yet, soon people will tell you what formation and tactics to use..

At least a system where you'd be rated better or worse given the team you played with and the opposition's, as well as players' ratings, would be a better idea.

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

I know he is good but 89 isn't realistic, that's a bit too much.

Man Robben has 54 in the position I'm making him play and kicks butts.. the overall rating means nothing.

[AhmedHelal]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

Come play with me, I'll pick a fair team like I did last time when I picked Atalanta and Roma vs Chelsea.

I know this problem. I also wanted to avoid Real Madrid. And then when I try to set it so that only National Sides can be picked, people take Portugal because of Ronaldo.

And surprisingly Portugal are better rated in PES 2010 than they were in FIFA 09. All their players like Nani got 88 Speed.
Deco has 89 OVR??? Yeah right.
I know he is good but 89 isn't realistic, that's a bit too much. It would've been more understandable if some of these ratings were for 2004.

I want to make a room such as small national teams. I pick Bulgaria and then 20-30 seconds during my changes in the Team Management they pick Spain or Brazil. It is very agitating indeed.

I understand if I picked a top team, but I am picking a small team. Some people obviously don't know the meaning of the word "small"...

ofcourse i will , for several reasons
1. u're my friend
2. i enjoy playing against u , cos u don't stick to a scoring way like madrid noobs all they do search for ronaldo and give him the ball run run run turn turn shoot this is unstoppable especially if there is button lag , u can't take the ball from ronaldo
3. no lag
4. variety of teams we play with , so we don't get bored quickly

[AhmedHelal]

Originally Posted by luikang

People who can't stand to lose/suck will always find something to whine about. In PES for example, if you run with Ronaldo you're a "Madrid noob" as Ahmed calls them. If you pass too much, you're a ping pong player.
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man it's not about that !! i hate losing ofcourse all ppl do but THE PROBLEM is when u go to team selection menu u CAN'T back
unlike FIFA 09 or fifa
when u see a noob who play with madrid with adidas live season on etc
u can go back and don't play with him
but in PES u are obliged to play with him or u will lose points !! that's a frustrating problem really , hope u get the point of what i said

[Romaniansoccer]

@luikang: Easy for you to complain about "whiners" when your team is so overrated and unstoppable. You said you played as Marseille and the other people chose better teams. Were those RANKED matches you talk about? I really doubt it. When it comes down to it, in a ranked match/tournament you would pick Madrid because you don't like losing as well. You said it yourself that you have to go through ML seasons, etc before you try playing Online because you are so competitive.

It's easy to complain about people who say "don't pick this, don't use that", but all they/we want is a fair game. They/we are just as competitive as you are. We just can't stand the fact that we are basically forced to pick Barca or Madrid when playing against a Barca/Madrid because we have no chance of winning otherwise.

No one would argue about Madrid being rated so good if the ratings were consistent and other teams would be rated the same! As an example, at least in Fifa 09 my Arsenal was a 4.5 Star Team - the same as Madrid and only 0.5 stars less than a Barca/Chelsea etc. But in PES? How can you say anything bad about people who are upset that their favorite team has ratings from 3 years ago and want more balance in team ratings?

When Madrid bought all the players they did in the summer you probably couldn't be more happier since you knew that Madrid would be unstoppable against 99% of the teams in PES. I basically have no chance against your Madrid because there are so many times when the my defenders just fall asleep and look at C.Ronaldo or Kaka while they dribble past them. The AI just does that at key moments in matches, no matter what I do to control my defenders. Not to mention that if you do a Finesse Shot with almost all your midfielders/strikers from your Madrid team, it's a goal 4/5 times against all goalkeepers but Buffon and a few 2-3 others.

Giving more points for winning games against better teams would be a step forward, but it still doesn't solve the problem that the ratings are from 2007 and inconsistent as cr@p.
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Changing the subject, I'm still waiting for my game to arrive. I was hoping to get it by Friday, but it didn't arrive, so I'll probably get it sometime this week.
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@Blazing & Ahmed: You're both right, matches between medium/small teams are so much more fun. I can't wait to play an Arsenal - Liverpool or a Fiorentina - Roma, USA - Bulgaria, Dinamo Bucharest - Levski Sofia, etc. Those types of games are usually won only by skill (or silly mistakes) and the matches are a lot more balanced and fun.

[BLaZiNgSPEED]

I woke up quite late today about 8 PM night time lol. So I am kinda like bypassing the day.

Yes, this is the problem with PES.
Its all about speed. And that's what players do online, they tend to take the teams that have players with fast movement.
From my observation any player that has an 87+ in speed is quite hard to stop.
Even now I played online using Aston Villa (West Midlands Village). Agbonlahor is so fast, he has a speed rating of 95, Carew, 87.
And believe it or not, I managed to win some matches 20 minutes ago against Real Madrid using Aston Villa.

Again, in this case I was kinda exploiting using a team with players that have a quick pace. I suppose you can't blame me for taking such team, cos I can't just pick Stoke City or Hull City to play vs Real Madrid, lol I would get beat easily. So in this case I pick Aston Villa to have a fairer chance against Real.
The goal keeper is also very strong. Brad Friedel is one of the best goal keepers in PES 2010 with a 90 defence rating.

PES 2009 infact was worse because it was a game of 100% speed game. Almost like ice hockey. Its very easy for a speedy player to run and tackle the ball off a slower player.
And I don't see why someone would be annoyed to see others making a room such as "no Barca, no Real Madrid". If you enter in their situation you'll know why they want to avoid those teams. Thus you wouldn't get irritated.

These teams are like the live season updates of FIFA 09 when players were ridiculously fast. And its kinda unrealistic.

Sure Real Madrid are a great side. But such a drastic overrating of the players make it unrealistic. Ever since Ronaldo and Kaka joined them, Konami decided to overrate every other player as well. Which is odd imo.

Btw, Romanian, I know why you haven't got the game yet, that's because of the Royal Mail Postal strike that has happened here in the UK.
Now the strike is over, hopefully you should receive it either by tomorrow or day after.

Oh I wished Levski Sofia were in the game, unfortunately they're not.
But a lot of other teams are there.
Glad finally Bulgaria has correct spellings of players names. I played a few rated games with them online and did win thanks to Martin Petrov's fast pace.

Oh and Romania has all of the correct names of the players. No more Andrei Murgu like in FIFA 09/10, now you can use Adrian Mutu.

[Romaniansoccer]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

Even now I played online using Aston Villa (West Midlands Village). Agbonlahor is so fast, he has a speed rating of 95, Carew, 87.
And believe it or not, I managed to win some matches 20 minutes ago against Real Madrid using Aston Villa.


The goal keeper is also very strong. Brad Friedel is one of the best goal keepers in PES 2010 with a 90 defence rating.

Yeah, Agbonlahor, A.Young, Carew, they're all ridiculously fast. As for Friedel, I'm a fan of him in real life, but come on, they rate him better than Tim Howard?? And no way does he deserve 90 Defense and 97 (?!!) Reaction. Screw that.

Btw, Romanian, I know why you haven't got the game yet, that's because of the Royal Mail Postal strike that has happened here in the UK.
Now the strike is over, hopefully you should receive it either by tomorrow or day after.

I'm not sure if the strike was part of the delay since the tracking information says that the package arrived was already at New York on Nov.1, so I think that the game was on US soil a long time ago. Why I haven't gotten it yet, I don't know.

Oh I wished Levski Sofia were in the game, unfortunately they're not.
But a lot of other teams are there.
Glad finally Bulgaria has correct spellings of players names. I played a few rated games with them online and did win thanks to Martin Petrov's fast pace.

Oh, I thought I saw them there. I guess not. Didn't they qualify for the Europa League?

Oh and Romania has all of the correct names of the players. No more Andrei Murgu like in FIFA 09/10, now you can use Adrian Mutu.

Yeah, I actually don't remember a PES game with incorrect or made up Romanian names.

[luikang]

There'll be a roster update this week. At least you won't see Robben in Madrid anymore because boy he's fast.

@Romaniansoccer

You didn't get the point here mate. I never denied I was a competitor did I ?

Actually you even stole one of my theory, nobody really plays for fun video games. Everyone is competitive, this is human nature. Some are more than others, but everyone is.

But unlike most, I don't complain/whine/cry, because I'm not like that. Since I'm so competitive, I even think that's the kind of attitude that stops you from improving.

I've played several different games online from CS, Serious Sam to Trackmania, and it's always the same.. you can't use that weapon, you can't play this way, etc.. there's always something. To give you an example, I've won the 2vs2 world championship in SeriousSam in 2006. And at the time, my partner wasn't even ranked in the top 20. My first choice, who was one of the best players of all time wasn't available and I was forced to play with an average player. Instead of whining we made a strategy to win and we've beat Holland in final whose two players were in the top 5. And guess who the whiners were after that. They sure didn't like that strategy.

But now just imagine you get the game, you play online, you pick Madrid, and someone beats you with a ridiculously small team. Will you change your mind or you'll find something else to whine about?

I'll be gone for a week, I'm going to Algeria but tell us when you get the game, we'll play a friendly match and if there's not too much lag, we'll play ranked matches together. I'll pick Marseille, and you'll pick Madrid or Barca. And we'll see if I whine when I lose. Because that's what you said right ? There's no way you can't beat Madrid or Barca with a small team. But you won't see me whining before, during or after the game.

[Romaniansoccer]

@luikang: Of course you don't complain because you have nothing to complain about if you play as Madrid...

All of us who complain do so because we are forced to pick those teams to have a fair game. I don't want to play as Madrid or Barca to have a chance against a Madrid/Barca, I want to play with my favorite team.

Do you play with Marseille in ranked matches? I doubt it, since you would lose against a decent player with Barca/Madrid/Inter because a good player can use many cheap ways to score goals due to how imbalanced the ratings are. And if you do play as Marseille in ranked matches, that's probably because you feel that you already mastered the game and with a little bit of luck, you can even beat those giant teams.

As I said, I can't really pick Arsenal against a Madrid because the AI will make it so that the difference in ratings shows in the game sooner or later. The only way I can beat Madrid using Arsenal @Professional difficulty is with luck and a ton of tactical adjustments (defend a lot, play on counter attack -exactly the OPPOSITE of how Arsenal plays in real life).

And please don't say that it's realistic that way. There's one thing to have tactics, and another to have to play with 5 defenders and Total Defense against those teams. When Ibrahimovic has 96 Body Balance and Gallas only has 86, while Vermaelen 80, how can I stand a chance against a good player that picks Barca? How can I play with a Back 4? My defenders get ripped apart if I do that. In real life, Arsenal plays with a Back 4 that's usually a Back 3 because there's at least one player joining the attack...But in PES I have to play with 5 defenders...
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I say this again, no matter how much I control my defenders, there are times in matches when the AI will make it so that Ibra will all of a sudden push Gallas, or my GK will fall asleep so that Ibra/Kaka/C.Ronaldo will score.

And again, if the ratings were consistent and Gallas had 93 Body Balance, Vermaelen 90, then I would have no complaints.
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All the people who whine just want their team to be rated close/equal to the teams I've been mentioning so that you won't just see those teams when playing Online. Sure, in Fifa 09 there were many Barca/Man Utd, but I never felt that I HAD to pick them because my Arsenal was rated very close to them and with skill, I could beat any team. OK, Fifa had other problems (long balls, collisions), but I always felt that I had a realistic chance of winning.

There's no argument that Arsenal is at least as good as Madrid in real life, even if you compare player per player, and not just the overall team work, squad quality, etc. That's what people want - far more consistency in the ratings.
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As for you picking Marseille and me picking Madrid, again, I don't want to do that. I don'tlike being forced to pick a side that I don't like just so that I have an advantage or be on the same level as my opponent's team.

When I will play you, I will do it with Arsenal and I will try to use all the tactical knowledge/skill I have in order to beat whatever team you are choosing. If it's going to be Madrid, so be it. I am very competitive as well, but not so much in PES since my Arsenal is rated as a high school team compared to other, more known (to the Japanese) teams. Until Arsenal is rated properly, I can't take this game seriously Online. I'll just play for fun.
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Once the game arrives, I will post a message, of course.

[luikang]

Originally Posted by Romaniansoccer

As for you picking Marseille and me picking Madrid, again, I don't want to do that. I don'tlike being forced to pick a side that I don't like

That's exactly what I said a few posts earlier. You don't like being forced to use Madrid just as we don't like being forced not to use it

When I see these No barca/No Real rooms, I don't even join them. However if I join a normal room, and I see the dude uses Athletic Bilbao of course I'll use a smaller team. You see the difference ?

You can't say I have nothing to whine about if I'm willing to play you with a small team while you play a big. No I can't use my favorite team(Marseille) to reach the top online but do you hear me whine ? No.

The reason I don't whine is because I'm 23 years old and I'm not a girl. I'm past the crying stage sorry. There are harder things in life than having to take Madrid/Manchester/Barca/Chelsea or Inter in a video game to target the top. The second reason is that I'm a competitor and whining never helps. Hell it even convinced you that you can't beat Madrid with Arsenal on Pro difficulty unless you're lucky so how could you improve if you already reached your limits (since luck isn't something you can improve)..that's good for you cuz I haven't yet!

But I get your point mate, you're whining more at the fact that the stats are not accurate and this I'm okay with. Hell, who wouldn't? But please stop whining because others take the most powerful weapon in the game, you sound like one of these AWP haters in CS = noobs.

[Romaniansoccer]

@luikang:

Ignoring the obvious insults, what you are basically saying is: "be like everyone else, pick an uber team when playing against uber teams, and stop complaining."

See, I refuse to do that (to pick those type of teams). The best online games are the ones that are the most balanced, whether you want to agree or not. If you look at most/all of the successful games (of any genre), you'll see that the ones who have the best Online experience are those game that are fun and balanced. I can give you tons of examples of such games if you want.

Of course I'll pick Arsenal against a Marseille in PES, but I refuse to pick Madrid/Barca against Madrid/Barca. For that reason, I'll just do what Blazing and Ahmed said, and that's ignoring all the Madrid/Barca noobs (whether they're fans of the team in real life, I don't care, ratings are totally unbalanced and unfair, so I'll ignore them as much as possible).

I'm sorry, but those team don't require a lot of skill to play with, and if you do have skill, then you'll be quite unbeatable.

I'll just mostly play matches against Fifa community member and people who pick smaller teams.

I will want to play your Madrid team a few times, but other than that, I'm mostly going to stay away from those type of matches until the ratings are fixed (probably not going to happen this year).

I'm curious to see if the Thursday update only fixes the rosters, or it also improves the ratings...

[AhmedHelal]

i defeat madrid offline with chelsea 3-0 at least >> at Top player
but online is other thing with cheap goals by ronaldo , u can't do anything , just watch the ball going into the net

[luikang]

Originally Posted by Romaniansoccer

@luikang:

Ignoring the obvious insults, what you are basically saying is: "be like everyone else, pick an uber team when playing against uber teams, and stop complaining."

See, I refuse to do that (to pick those type of teams).

[point]Exactly. So complain about your choice, not your opponents'. [/point]

But I'm not mocking and/or insulting you, actually I find it very honorable to do this choice and I already told you a while ago. If you're good you'll win most your games with Arsenal, no matter the team you're facing. But obviously you won't beat people in the top 20 that easily. I know you don't believe me now, but you'll see it later yourself.

Originally Posted by Romaniansoccer

I'm curious to see if the Thursday update only fixes the rosters, or it also improves the ratings...

I've heard some rumours that there might be more than just rosters updates, but nothing official. Formations stocking is a must!

[Affainyi]

Originally Posted by luikang

If you're good you'll win most your games with Arsenal, no matter the team you're facing. But obviously you won't beat people in the top 20 that easily. I know you don't believe me now, but you'll see it later yourself

Quite right. You can beat any team with an averagely rated team like arsenal if you use your head. Play to their strengths and use proper tactics. If the defense is weak, create the situation where the opponent will struggle to even get to your defense to even breach it. High pressure in the midfield is key. If a player is too quick, have your player closest to him sit deep to stop him. He can't use his pace if there's no space (a little rhyme I learnt from playing PES2009). If his body balance is too high, tightly mark him and slide him the instant he gets the ball so he cannot use his strength to barrel through. Don't even bother applying pressure by holding a button, just slide him as quickly as possible. There are times to use high pressure and other times to stand off and defend deep, map this strategy to one of the face buttons so you can toggle it during the match as you see fit. Attack wins games. Defense wins championships and online matches. This is like Coaching 101. Assume that your opponent will be a top player and set yourself up to keep a tight ship when needed and attack ferociously when needed......or at the slightest sign of a defensive frailty.


Short general rant:

It is possible to be too competitive. What happened to playing for fun and to enjoy? So seldom do I hear, "It doesn't matter if I win or lose, as long as I enjoyed the game" and this saddens me. Haven't any of you ever lost a game but thought to yourself "That was an awesome game!"? You can't win all the time, rather than agonize over a defeat or find reasons to complain, enjoy it and use it to improve. Analyse your failings. In the end a game is about enjoyment. Whining doesn't help anyone. Be competitive, no problem, it's a good thing, but remember that the main purpose of playing is to have fun. If I saw someone using madrid/barca online, I would use whatever team I wanted. I might use madrid/barca as well.....or I might even use wolves (not really, just an example, more likely ajax or lyon or a team of that level that I like). This is because if I win, I will feel WONDERFUL. If I lose, it's all good, it's just a game, plus there is a quite valid reason for my loss. I wouldn't feel constrained in my choices just because i have an overarching desire to win. 100th in the ratings or 1000th in the ratings all means the same to me. Have you guys heard of the saying "If you ain't first you're last"? Yeah.
If I had the chance to head the tables then madrid/barca all the way. But if not, I will choose the average teams and enjoy my online experience with my favourite teams. I will win less games, but I will feel quite satisfied. Why? It's not because I'm not competitive. It's because I'm playing to relax from a hard day of work and school, I'm not playing to earn a prize or save a life. Frustrations in a video game serve to make you enjoy it and want to surpass them. Like a particularly difficult boss or a tricky level, barca/madrid online users are just another problem you need to use your head to work around. Simple as that. Or, of course, you could just quit.......

[luikang]

Once again you're very pertinent Affainyi, I totally agree, and there are some precious tips too. I'm really sorry if I offended you Romanian, that was not my intention, what I just wanted to say here was that, you have to leave with your choices instead of blaming others for not doing the same. But like about the online "joke", you'll realize that listenting to people too early isn't a good idea when you see you can actually keep the ball or defend against Ronaldo. And I'm not saying this because one of the currently best ranked players is using Chelsea.

Actually 80% of people who use Madrid, play with Ronaldo on a flank, and you know what the first rule to advanced defending is? Send your opponent to the wing, show him the line. He wants to run down the wing, perfect, he's cutting his chances of scoring easy goals. Once you can master super cancel, he'll never score headers or from cutbacks. But don't let him cross if he's really close to the byeline, those are two dangerous.

I don't know about you Affainyi but when I use a small team, I also get the feeling that I'm playing the real PES again. It's hard to explain but I haven't played a Master League with default players since PES 6, so when I use Marseille, a lot of memories come back, which is fun.

[BLaZiNgSPEED]

Just downloaded Kit Online Collection 1.1 and it is terrific online!!!
Evo-Web Forums
Ignore that screenshot of Arsenal London and Chelsea London.
When you apply the patch you get the real Arsenal and Chelsea names only without the "London" at the end. It has all of the correct adverts on jerseys shirts such as Samsung, Etihad, Fly Emirates, etc.

Man Blue-->Manchester City.
North London-->Arsenal kits.
West Midlands Village-->Aston Villa.
It fixes all of them including all the national teams kits that don't have correct licensing!

And works online like as if its an official patch, absolutely amazing!!!! No crashes, no freezes. Didn't need any complicated software to do it. Just replace edit file into My Document-->Konami folder and install the Kitserver into the C://Konami-->PES 2010 folder.
Click simply on the kitserver and then setup. In 3 seconds your done.

And that's it now, you can click on the PES 2010 game and play with any national team, club, etc with correct logo, emblems and kits.

What's the point of licensing when this is the ultimate solution!
The idea of getting FIFA 10 only for licenses instantly fails, because this patch completely makes everything look 100% licensed!

[Romaniansoccer]

@luikang: It's OK, words don't hurt me. In fact, I chose to ignore your (and Affainyi's) insults and somewhat offensive comments because there was no point in answering them and I wasn't affected by them anyway.

I know very well how to use my head or how to counter certain tactics, but what I will continue to protest about is the fact that Konami brags about this game being a simulator and how Team Individuality is back, but I don't see it.

There's nothing realistic about having to play with 5 defenders and one Defensive Midfielder as Arsenal. That's basically the only way to really counter the likes of Barca, Madrid, Inter, etc. And that's the exact opposite of how the team plays in real life.

There's a big difference between tactical adjustments/using strategy, and having to resort to tactics that a Division 3 club might use (putting 6-7 people behind the ball). Not to mention that I have to put Silvestre and Gallas in my defense because Vermaelen is rated 69, while the joke of a player that's Silvestre is rated 77. If I try to play normally (4-3-3), I get slaughtered immediately.

Also, where is that Team Individuality for my Arsenal? Sure, there are some default slider settings for it, but how can you give Madrid (who has at least 3-4 new players in the starting XI and are using individual skill) a better Team Work rating than Arsenal?
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In the end, each person looks for different things in a video game and some people don't mind that they have to play as Madrid just because Konami never heard of other teams. For a good portion of last year, the #1 player in Fifa 09 was using Arsenal. That's all you need to know. Now I doubt there's a even a Top 50 player using Arsenal in PES.

It's because the ratings are so old and inconsistent that people can't stand playing against people who use those teams. As I said, I'll just stay away from playing them since the game is so much more fun and balanced when playing with lesser teams. Playing with those uber teams requires no skill anyway.
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Changing the subject, is it me or is the whole game playing faster @ Top Player than @ Professional? Honestly, try playing 2-3 games at Regular/Professional and then switch to Top Player and you'll see that not only is the AI playing differently, but the whole game plays much faster.

Either way, it actually makes sense if the game is slower on lower difficulty levels so that new people can learn it.
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@Affainyi: Funny how you actually mock Luikang in your post. Guess what, a lot of people play Online for the competition, and not for the fun. I'm one of the people who does both. Some people (like luikang) can't stand to lose Online. Others play just for fun, no matter how many games they lose.

In Fifa 09 I wanted to be as good as I could be, but also wanted to have fun playing. I went as high as 1100 in the world, but I usually stayed at around 1500/2000 in the world. I really enjoyed the challenge of playing with others humans, but at the same time, I never picked a "cheap" team like Barca or used long balls (like *cough* Ahmed *cough* ) in order to win more games and potentially be in the Top 500.

One thing I learned in all Online games - there's ALWAYS someone else in the world who gets less sleep, practices more, has no life, and has more free time than you do. For that reason, I always try to be competitive and get as high of a rank as possible, but also not lose sight of what makes me play the game in the first place - the fun and simulation.

[Affainyi]

Originally Posted by Romaniansoccer

@Affainyi: Funny how you actually mock Luikang in your post. Guess what, a lot of people play Online for the competition, and not for the fun. I'm one of the people who does both. Some people (like luikang) can't stand to lose Online. Others play just for fun, no matter how many games they lose.

My intention is never to mock someone.

I thought I made it clear but putting "general rant" that I am not speaking of a specific person or situation. Just the general scheme of things.

Luikang will not choose to lose online, but it is a fact that you cannot win all the time. Even the most fiercely competitive guy in the world knows he will lose. A split-second lapse of concentration once, is all it takes. No matter how good or determined you are. It is the reaction to the loss that is important...not the loss itself. A good attitude is to smile grimly and think about how you could have won, analyse yourself and figure out how to improve.......instead of whining about it, especially when rectifying the problem is out of your control.

Originally Posted by luikang

I don't know about you Affainyi but when I use a small team, I also get the feeling that I'm playing the real PES again. It's hard to explain but I haven't played a Master League with default players since PES 6, so when I use Marseille, a lot of memories come back, which is fun.

Small teams vs big teams is my bread and butter. There's no point the other way round. It's like taking candy from a baby. It will give instant gratification but the enjoyment fades very quickly.

I find the greatest enjoyment in winning through sensible tactics rather than sheer player ability. It's rather dull just sprinting about and smashing shots. I want to pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, through pass, pass, pass, pass, long ball, pass, pass, pass, BOOOM! GOAL! But one thing I refuse to do is pass back. This hurts me sometimes because it's a useful thing to do. But I don't wanna. Forward ever, backward never. It's a failing I have. Defending is not about cramming the box with as many big burly men as you can. Otherwise teams like wolves, birmingham and stoke would never concede. It's not always about numbers, sometimes it's just how you use the space. For example; the ghana u-20 team plays with a 5-3-2 formation. Sounds defensive right? WRONG! They were the top-scorers in the u-20 world cup and conceded quite a lot of goals. Similarly a 3-4-3 formation can be nigh-impossible to break through if used well despite seeming so attacking. Also a 4-3-3. Absorb this: the front three of barca committed more fouls last year than the rest of the team combined. What does this tell you? Defense should start from the strikers. When playing ML on my pals xbox I always made bendtner(he becomes such a BEAST in ML, just second season and he's the second most expensive player in the world and has beast stats) and van persie come back to chase and harry (leaving one striker ahead....I play a 4-3-3) because I know they have the pace to come in late and finish the counter-attack and have decent body balance to worry the opponents trying to attack. Fluidity in attack and defense is the name of the game. When your defenders start to score from open play with realistic frequency then you know you are doing the right things when it comes to tactics. You are getting close to barca and arsenal in tactical football.

Countering raw ability with tactics is so rewarding.

[AhmedHelal]

YouTube - Egypt Vs Al geria Trailer 14-11-2009 'MASTER THE ART OF THE KiLL'
we'll rape algerians

[BLaZiNgSPEED]

Originally Posted by AhmedHelal

YouTube - Egypt Vs Al geria Trailer 14-11-2009 'MASTER THE ART OF THE KiLL'
we'll rape algerians

Great video, good luck to Egypt!
Algeria shouldn't be a tough test, nonetheless.
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Well here are my two screenshots which I was going to post just now.

Here are my online ranking match results. As you can see Chelsea, Arsenal, Aston Villa and Manchester City all have their correct logos.

Those of you who are concerned as to whether patches like this works online. Well this is the proof.
Unlike FIFA, most patches for PES don't affect the online play at all.
I am playing with no problems, no crashes, freezes or anything.
Licensing matter is not a problem at all. Not a worry for PC users, since you can always mod things.

So why do people moan so much about PES not having enough licenses?! Well this patch indeed shows us that the word "license" is only psychological!

Here's me playing a friendly match online. I am playing as Birmingham City vs Arsenal.

As you can see all of the correct logos, licenses and players kits are working online. You can see that this screenshot that I took is from online play because of the Player 1 and player 2 buttons at the top screen.

Everything is all perfectly accurate. You can see the "Fly Emirates" advert printed on players shirts. And no more "North London"!

The emblems appear for every team, not just clubs but all national teams.
It changes the country flags to the real country emblems.

Its all very professionally made, you can hardly spot mistakes, it looks like its come with the game, lol.

[AhmedHelal]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

Great video, good luck to Egypt!
Algeria shouldn't be a tough test, nonetheless.
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Well here are my two screenshots which I was going to post just now.

Here are my online ranking match results. As you can see Chelsea, Arsenal, Aston Villa and Manchester City all have their correct logos.

Those of you who are concerned as to whether patches like this works online. Well this is the proof.
Unlike FIFA, most patches for PES don't affect the online play at all.
I am playing with no problems, no crashes, freezes or anything.
Licensing matter is not a problem at all. Not a worry for PC users, since you can always mod things.

So why do people moan so much about PES not having enough licenses?! Well this patch indeed shows us that the word "license" is only psychological!

Here's me playing a friendly match online. I am playing as Birmingham City vs Arsenal.

As you can see all of the correct logos, licenses and players kits are working online. You can see that this screenshot that I took is from online play because of the Player 1 and player 2 buttons at the top screen.

Everything is all perfectly accurate. You can see the "Fly Emirates" advert printed on players shirts. And no more "North London"!

The emblems appear for every team, not just clubs but all national teams.
It changes the country flags to the real country emblems.

Its all very professionally made, you can hardly spot mistakes, it looks like its come with the game, lol.

WOW , i'm really impressed
your results are improving , concerning the patch , thanks to you i'm playing online with the right kits now thnx
for our match : thnx
we only need to win by 3 goals and the match gonna be in cairo stadium
if we won by 3 goals difference we'll go directly to FIFA WORLD CUP 2010
if we won by a gd of 2 goals we will pay a playoff match in sudan with algeria the winner will qualify
praaaaaaay for us

[Affainyi]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

WOW! Very good news and quite satisfactory for online play.

[BLaZiNgSPEED]

Originally Posted by AhmedHelal

WOW , i'm really impressed
your results are improving , concerning the patch , thanks to you i'm playing online with the right kits now thnx
for our match : thnx
we only need to win by 3 goals and the match gonna be in cairo stadium
if we won by 3 goals difference we'll go directly to FIFA WORLD CUP 2010
if we won by a gd of 2 goals we will pay a playoff match in sudan with algeria the winner will qualify
praaaaaaay for us

Yeah, im slowly, slowly getting my rhythm back.
Its not easy to suddenly adapt to PES after 5 years of constantly playing FIFA 04s recycled game on PC.

Yeah, I remember you told me that you had problems with your kits not working online, but only offline.
I was thus looking for an alternative solution to this. Some patches work, others don't.
I remember it worked last year well.
Wasn't exactly the same patch though.
But this patch was very easy to install, just file replace and kitserver which takes seconds.
You don't need AFS Explorer or any other addition software to extract.
Some patches are indeed tougher to install.

WOW! Very good news and quite satisfactory for online play.

Yes, that's why I wanted to show a screenshot of it.
Since describing with words doesn't seem to be taken very seriously or sound convincing.

Seeing is believing, I guess.

That's why I find it annoying when I hear about the licensing issues with PES. Some people tend to exaggerate the licensing problems of PES too much as if no licenses=end of the world.
Especially having been reading so many people talking about it on the FIFA PC forums, it does get annoying.
It is ridiculous when some people don't want to buy PES just because of a minor licensing problem of some teams...
When patches like this fix everything.

By the way its called Kit Online Collection 1.1 incase you want to use it, you can download it from Evo-Web, I did mention about it yesterday.

This only changes kits, logos and emblems of the teams. It doesn't actually correct the spelling mistakes of the players though.

But since all of the clubs have correct spellings of players names, this isn't a problem.
Only some national teams have wrong spellings. But at least now absolutely all of them have correct kits and national emblems.

This patch makes every club look licensed now!
I am playing online with no problem.

Aren't we lucky as PC gamers, we can mod things, Console gamers can't.
This shouldn't be a concern for us who play PES on PC.

It is indeed satisfactory for both online and offline. In a few days time you'll forget that PES 2010 had licensing problems.

[Romaniansoccer]

Just wanted to tell everyone that I (finally) got my game today and I'm installing it right now.
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A couple of comments:

- I didn't have to sign for the game. The mail man just left the package in my mail box. I don't know if he left it there because no one answered the door (I was not home at the time), but either way, I thought they weren't going to leave the package without a signature. I got the game, so I guess I shouldn't complain too much. The mail man probably thought that it's more convenient to leave the package anyway, since I would have had to go pick it up from the post office if I wasn't home to sign for it.

- The game does not have that plastic packaging that most games have. So, I have the case, the DVD inside and the little booklet, but the case wasn't wrapped in any plastic. Instead, ShopTo had the case in a specially designed paper package. Now, I read on a website that apparently this is Konami's fault (the fact that the case does not have a plastic wrap), so I don't think this is ShopTo.net's fault. The booklet with the Serial Code is in there, and the DVD looks brand new (no scratches, etc). Therefore, I'm pretty sure the game is brand new, even though it had no plastic wrap packaging.

- The game took about 6 business days to get here, which is not great, but it's decent for an international shipment. Who knows, maybe the Strike delayed it a little bit, too. Either way, unless you are willing to spend over 15 pounds to get the 2-3 day Fast Shipping, you'll have to wait at least a full week for the game to arrive.

I just got it today (after almost 2 weeks) because I had it shipped somewhere else (not at the university where I currently stay) - so I had to reship it here (took another 3 days). The game arrived Monday, but I only got my hands on it today.
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I'll try to play Online for a little bit today. I already know Ahmed's and Blazing's Online names because they posted screenshots with their names, but what about everybody else who has the game, what are your names? I'm going to see if RomanianSoccer is available and take that name. I'll see if I can add all of you today.

Let's PES 10!

[psobb]

Mine was wrapd ps2

[AhmedHelal]

@Romaniansoccer
first of all congrats , 2nd i wanna comment on the plastic packaging
when i got the game , there was no plastic packaging on the cover neither
just like u , i was worried that it's not new cos anyone could have opened it and copied the serial and use it , anyways i was wrong and it was new
+ i know only blazing name , i didn't know luikang name ingame yet
there is a guy from fifa pc forum i think his name is joga benito sth like that he's there too and i've added hime as a friend , he is also in our community but we've not talked or played anymatch
one last thing join the community when u open the online
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