Mirror's edge websites. 88.7

[Mr_88-7]

1: It's difficult to expand on it really, we don't really know much more. A bit of evidence is the source code message saying "New November", I'm pretty sure there will be new riots.

2: I'm not quite sure what you mean by guessing the images, but I think I know where you're going. I'd switch round Truth & Lies though. I think the next image will be maybe a darker corridor that looks alot more like a normal corridor or maybe a moving of a blur running out the door.

3: I agree they shouldn't kill off Faith, which is why I think it won't be until Mirrors Edge 3. I just can't see any other reason for Faith not being there anymore.

4: Flowers For Algernon is a short story about a Janitor with the IQ of a 6 year old and whose best friend is a rat, the Janitor (Named Charlie) undergoes major surgery to improve his IQ after he sees a lab rat called Algernon who underwent the same surgery (The same rat I mentioned). He then get's an IQ 50% higher than the average human, and get's shunned by his friends more than before. In the end the rat dies after his intelligence declines and he starves to death. Realising his intelligence is temporary he resolves to leave town. After he leaves he tells someone to put flowers on Algernon's grave. The story is made in the form of Charlie's diary.

You can see the similarities.

[Gloss_Reality]

Originally Posted by Mr_88-7

1: It's difficult to expand on it really, we don't really know much more. A bit of evidence is the source code message saying "New November", I'm pretty sure there will be new riots..

But who would lead it? And why? Faith? She'd be gunned down, methinks. Why would the people listen at the mo? It seems as if normal people do not care that their lives are so controlled. I know that there is a lot of reason to protest against their government, but who would stand up? Who would willingly risk their lives? Faith was 6 when the riots happened, so if it is still at the forefront of her mind, wouldn't it be for people older than her too? I understand your point, but i like to iron out details

Originally Posted by Mr_88-7

2: I'm not quite sure what you mean by guessing the images, but I think I know where you're going. I'd switch round Truth & Lies though. I think the next image will be maybe a darker corridor that looks alot more like a normal corridor or maybe a moving of a blur running out the door..

Cool! But i wouldn't change Truth and Lies. In my experience, (if you want to give me some examples of stories that don't follow this rule, i'd be interested to know), in my experience, there is usually some kind of deception at the beggining of the story, whether it's one book, or the first of a series, eg:
Harry potter/Pawn of prophecy - the true identity is not known of the main character, Harry/Garion = wizard/king

Northen lights - her uncle is her father, say no more!

Song Quest - Rielle's mission is disguised as something else for half the book

Lirael - Lireal does not know that she is not a Daughter Of the Clayre until the LAST CHAPTER! (that annoys me... a lot)

As you see, the deception usually revolves around a character, but not always. Labrynth could be an example, but i havn't read all of it, so i don't know exactly what happens. I wonder if this could be applied to ME-2-3 at some point or another?

Originally Posted by Mr_88-7

3: I agree they shouldn't kill off Faith, which is why I think it won't be until Mirrors Edge 3. I just can't see any other reason for Faith not being there anymore..

I can't see her not being there at all. Why would they want to kill her off? I know, that in stories (yeah, i write them) a character is killed of for several reasons:
1 - the character's death is nessecary for the growth of another (eg, 'Harpy's filght' and 'the sapphire crescent')
2 - the character would get in the way too much in forthcomming events or would act if they were alive ('HP and the deathly hallows', Dumbledore)
Or 3 - the death instills tradgedy to make reader/player feel emotion, such as Merc's death.

I can see them making Faith fit 3. Thechnically, she has no use afer she has liberated the city, but i hope they just leave the ending open for us to imagine what happens, or even better, a happy ending. Don't kill her off!

Originally Posted by Mr_88-7

4: Flowers For Algernon is a short story about a Janitor with the IQ of a 6 year old and whose best friend is a rat, the Janitor (Named Charlie) undergoes major surgery to improve his IQ after he sees a lab rat called Algernon who underwent the same surgery (The same rat I mentioned). He then get's an IQ 50% higher than the average human, and get's shunned by his friends more than before. In the end the rat dies after his intelligence declines and he starves to death. Realising his intelligence is temporary he resolves to leave town. After he leaves he tells someone to put flowers on Algernon's grave. The story is made in the form of Charlie's diary.

You can see the similarities.

Yes, it sounds like a good book to, and the rat is a symbol for the runners. If that is a reference to the book, what are they trying to say? That the runners are doomed? Thats not very optimistic. to them for not being optimistic! How Charlie asks for flowers to be put on Algernon's grave...that's sad. He knows that he is going to die, and that rat's grave is like his own.

[Mr_88-7]

1: As I said, this is purely going on evidence, I actually haven't gone through the story yet, I'm at chapter 6. I do know a little past what I'm on though so I think the leader(s) might be either Celeste or Kate, with Faith jumping in.

2: But you started with Truth?

3: As in 1, this is purely on evidence, I could see them killing her off at the end, I can just have visions of ME3's final level where it's a massive chase between Faith & Celeste, Celeste just looking for capture, not murder. After the chase a sniper gets Faith and she falls down dead. Celeste, overcome with guilt, switches sides again and finishes what Faith started, in the last part of the level, you play as Celeste in the ultimate free running level, with more speed than ever.

4: Yeah, it is a really sad story, but the similarities are just too great to be coinsidence.

[Gloss_Reality]

Originally Posted by Mr_88-7

1: As I said, this is purely going on evidence, I actually haven't gone through the story yet, I'm at chapter 6. I do know a little past what I'm on though so I think the leader(s) might be either Celeste or Kate, with Faith jumping in..

ACK! You should have said!!! Sorry if I spoiled anything
But we don't know what the situation with Kate is yet - as far as we know, she is still a 'suspect at large' to be shot down.
Unless she does lead it and is killed, like her mother, That would REALLY p Faith off. Give her another reason to murder Callaghan, like she doesn't have enough!

(it could happen, since i don't see Kate having any plot significance, unless she becomes the 'voice on the radio', Faith's Tracker - which could happen, too)

Simply put, we just don't know!

Originally Posted by Mr_88-7

2: But you started with Truth?.

*checks* Oh, so i did. Sorry!! heh,
Prehaps...
I don't know!
Prehaps we know the truth since the begining, but it is then covered up? Like the november riots - it was misteaken for something it wasn't, and then memoralised and forgotten. Who knows?
For picies, i'm expecting something on the lines of:
Truth - empty door with gun
Lies - Faith's shadow in door
Change - empty door in PK/ICR facillity
Chaos - open door on rooftop, with SWAT aiming guns inside. still bright
Justice - Faith and Kate? one on one side, one on other, handing something over, from F to K, prehaps. getting darker images now as we get more images
New Order - darker image, gritty, fully open door, over-looking the city or something.

Originally Posted by Mr_88-7

3: As in 1, this is purely on evidence, I could see them killing her off at the end, I can just have visions of ME3's final level where it's a massive chase between Faith & Celeste, Celeste just looking for capture, not murder. After the chase a sniper gets Faith and she falls down dead. Celeste, overcome with guilt, switches sides again and finishes what Faith started, in the last part of the level, you play as Celeste in the ultimate free running level, with more speed than ever.

O.o that... that is too much of a good and logical option... but, *talking to whoever reports to EA* PLEASE DON'T DO THIS!!!
joking, joking, but i hope that they don't do that, its too tragic, and i'd never be able to play ME again.

Originally Posted by Mr_88-7

4: Yeah, it is a really sad story, but the similarities are just too great to be coinsidence.

Yeah, could be a reference.
Or a clue! lol!

[Mr_88-7]

1: Don't worry about it, there was nothing you said I didn't already know.

2: Yeah, that's sounds about right.

3: It would give me a big insentive to finish if I get to play as Celeste. And Mirrors Edge isn't without tragedy's, look at Merc.

4: *Sighs*

[Nadine]

Have I missed anything.... I hate reading Huge lalaed posts.

[Mr_88-7]

Me & Gloss have been speculating stuff, and my theory that The Janitor is simply a Flowers For Algernon referance, Gloss seems to think it's symbolising the demise of the Runners though.

Also if you weren't there, there is a new image on the Pirrandello/Kreuger site (I can't spell it)

[Gloss_Reality]

It could mean that the city has no more need for runners, meaning that Callaghan is put out of power...

or something

*shrug* I don't know!

EDIT: I know that this is completely and utterly random, so feel free to ignore it, but has anyone else thought that ME is a bit like AeonFlux in style and story? I know that the main points of each story doesn't fit, but they are simelar to me. One of the images from the AF box is one of her eues. like Faith!

[smeemee]

this is out of context, and i dont know if it will help much, but, in the developement in valve's game portal, they were going to introduce a man who wrote messages on the walls, in mantinence areas, called the "rat man"
very similaar, apart from the whole mental disease part, tht aint mentioned.

heres the link
Portal (video game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
go down to design.

[Gloss_Reality]

While there were plans for a third area, an office space, to be included after the test chambers and the maintenance areas, the team ran out of time to include it.[32] They also dropped the introduction of the "Rat Man", the character that left the messages in the maintenance areas to avoid creating too much narrative for the game

It is odd, isn't it? I've had a lot of irrelivent results when looking for ME, portal results, i think because the song has got the same name.
I wonder if that was intentional.
I hope they release a new PK image soon. O.o we've gone over EVERYTHONG with this image that we can think of...

Thanks for the link!

Edit: then again, I've been listening to the chatter, and there is something we haven't noticed yet. I don't know what it means though.

In the Shard, at the begining of the level, if you bypass the first hole in the wall, there is another one, if you go up there, there is a small patch of graffiti, saying 'Little .lost. poly' one over the other. This is also in the 'Jacknife chapter,' behind you at the start, and it has an image of a forest or something (here's the link - http://on-mirrors-edge.com/forums/vi...hp?id=2192&p=8 post 199)

Now, www.littlelostpoly.com is a website for one ME's level designers. That image with the forrest has been linked to DE_Forest, one of his other projects. He worked on Jacknife and the Shard chapters, so it's possible that he was just trying to get a little publicity for himself and his website.

Also in the shard, by the door you blow up (but i haven't seen it myself yet) are the numbers 555 22 878 878 and the word 'IMPORTANT'.

Attempted sums: (with the numbers)
555+22+878+878 / 88.2 (26.3)
// /9 (259.22222 (recuring )

55522878878 /88.7 (625962557.
555228788.78 / 88.7 (//)

In terms of number = letter, it says
I V T T

????????????????

[Mr_88-7]

Holy cow pat from Mars!!!
On-Mirror's-Edge Forums / The Official Easter Eggs thread!

IT'S A FLIPPIN' PHONE NUMBER!!!

[The_Mirrors_Edge]

What Have you called it? I'll try tomorrow probably. I might not be very active tomorrow and sunday 'cause I'm at a big Anime Convention. OTAKON 2009 YEAH

[Prilt]

It isn't a real number. It starts with 555. And yes, I have tried calling it

[Mr_88-7]

Aww, there goes that theory

EDIT: Try this site.
http://www.danieltebbutt.com/countdown.html
It is a solver for an English game called Countdown if you don't have it there. They get 6 numbers and another number appears at the top, they must then make a sum using the 6 numbers that gets as colse to the top number as possible. You could use this solver to help because it lets you break the rules (You can go over 100 in the bottom numbers and you can use less than 6).

[The_Mirrors_Edge]

I think EA or Dice or whoever has given up. I mean there hasn't been anything new for like a month now except that graphics designers web site

[Gloss_Reality]

Originally Posted by The_Mirrors_Edge

I think EA or Dice or whoever has given up. I mean there hasn't been anything new for like a month now except that graphics designers web site

I hope not. But yeah, nothing new for a while now. I'm banking on something happening in November, but that is still a way off...

*sighhhh*

[smeemee]

if we are really stuck, we could try website names from the names of the time trials in the dlc map pack.

[The_Mirrors_Edge]

yeah but the site names are usually companies. In the PC manual there are sites like cityprotectionforce.me and newstream.me but I've never seen them because they take so dang long to load.

Edit: I think this counts as an easter egg thread. Any way in The Shard when you go in the corner away from the fire, there's a little er, "packet",I guess, next to the paint bucket that says,"Crunchy Foot Flakes". Just thought it was funny and kind of gross.

[11YearOldRunner]

Originally Posted by Gloss_Reality

Thanks for the links, Cross_Projection!
It seems as if these websites have been popping up since around the time the PC version was released. My question is - why? Is it just some bored computer programer, leaving a trail of bread crumbs? Or is it actually a load of hints towards the next game? Who knows?

So we have two seperate messages hidden in the source code for the Jpeg:
Red door (without shilloette)

I deciphered these numbers before, doing what other people have done, but either their is a typo, or i missed a pair of numbers, as it spells 'mirros edge two' - could it be a reference to the janitor, who can't spell?

With shilloette:

Who is she meant to be talking to? Celeste? Mayor Callaghan? It shouldnt be someone that she knows, because she says 'who are you?' I have no theories on this, except that Faith is hunting someone down. Celeste ran in the cutscene in chapt 7-8, soooo....? Its more likely to be someone else though...

Also, the 'meta name' (i think) in the source code of both websites is '88.7'

What are they trying to hint at? It can't be a radio frequency for the runners, too many people have stated that it would bee too easy to listen in.
a radio station for the cops..?
..Doesn't really make sense

Anyway, i've got some new busisness names. I havent checked any of them yet, but i will do later or tomorrow

the eden estate YN
digglers doughnuts YN
city pulse YN
nicpix Y?
bank credit national YN
bank credit nacional (realised there was a speling misteak on last. It is nacional) YN
vegade YN
Z Burfield international shipping (i know, but i think that there might be something) YN
Mr tronik YN
Wainwright YN
handwash (way too generic, but its worth a shot) YN

I also have some location names

Hampton town (1 location, Alexandria VA)
Ryding park/Ryding park subway (no direct match)
Renald street (no)
West areland drive (several simelar matches. nothing else)

The numbers could be the code, maybe the janitor is the traitor? I dont know, I have only played the demo.

[MilliX]

Unlocked the last few achievements and mastered getting out of maps on ME, and I think I've pretty much exhausted the game.

So today, I came here and found a rather deep rabbit hole that I'm fascinated by! You guys have put a lot of work into all of this speculation business, and it makes for a good read!


Anyway, the reason I signed up is because I've got a couple more things that I don't think have been touched on yet.

Assuming that everyone's unlocked the game's conceptual artwork, we've had a good look through the pics. One of these is an interrogation scene viewed in first-person as if it were gameplay. This section, as the description says, was cut from the final game. But with all the teaser material based around PK and the interrogation rooms seen in both the game and the "door" website, it's highly likely that ME2 is going to feature some element of interrogation. This got me thinking about a possible opening scenario for the sequel (sorry if this ends up like a bit of a fan-fiction :P):

EVERYTHING BELOW IS A HIDEOUS MESS OF SPECULATION AND PROBABLY ISN'T EVEN WORTH READING.

We start, once again, with a 2D cut scene depicting the following. Faith and Kate have constructed a new hideout somewhere in the city, with a similar setup to Merc's base of operations. Runner business is going as usual, this time with each runner carrying a firearm for protection against Pursuit Cops.
Kate acts as Faith's primary tracker as she works for the clients, but both girls take orders and information from higher command: 88.7. We'll go along with the idea of him being the boss of the Runners for now. The player enters on a particular order, and takes a run with the bag to a location specified by 88.7.
But when Faith gets there, oh snap! Pursuit Cops are surrounding the area and waiting for her to arrive. Betrayal, much? Faith's overpowered and taken into custody, bad times all around etc.

Cue interrogation scene. Ms. Connors is getting smacked about by... I dunno... Jacknife's brother (for the sake of drama)!
He's also spinning out some stories which may or may not be true. Turns out that the Runners are all deep in it because of Faith's interference with society during Kate's rescue and the murder of a Blue (Jacknife), and have been promised peace from the Blues as long as Kate gets chucked in the slammer and Faith gets prosecuted for her crimes.

"They've won, it's over, what now?
Nowhere to hide, no doors, no flow, no trust, nothing..."

Faith isn't too happy with this. So she gets a bit angry and incapacitates the guy before he aims his pistol to stop her.

(This could explain PK image 1: the pistol by the door of the interrogation room)

Faith is all "Time to dish out some serious revenge" and leaves the facility.

(This could explain PK image 2: Faith's shadow in the doorlight)

Then she thinks about the betrayal of the whole Runner community, led by the mystery that is 88.7. She knows his radio frequency from receiving messages, and uses Jacknife's bro's radio to say the following at his station:

Who are you, (88.7)? Are you trying to get me killed?
Your name is a lie, your code (delivery code?) was wrong, they found me, you led them to me.
But I escaped, I always escape, it’s what I do, It’s all I do.
Before it was only personal, for what you had taken from me.
But things have changed, they always change, and for you, they have not changed for the better.
I’ll find you, but don’t worry, you won’t see me coming, none of you will (Runners).
Faith

Meanwhile, Kate, who hasn't heard from her sister in some time, predicts what's happened; Faith's been taken in. Being an ex-cop, she's probably somewhat familiar with PK, and probably knows a thing or two about the communication there. She gets a message to faith through a terminal there. She lets Faith know by some code through the earpiece, because it's likely that their wires are being watched by everyone now.

Level 2: Get through PK to the terminal and get the message.

Faith finds this message and sends a reply, trying to be non-specific in the use of keywords like "Runner", so that the message isn't traced:

I got your message, be careful, they're getting better, closer.
They're still looking, for me, for us, they don't give up.

The city, everything below, seems different, I feel watched.
Stay low, trust no one, no one, not even friends.

Got to go, got a lead, an old friend, a risk. (Celeste?)
And Kate, it won't be long now, He (88.7) doesn't have long.

Faith

Level 3: Get the eff out off PK... again.

And things sort of go out of control from there. Faith and Kate Connors against the City, the Cops, the Runners and the Edge itself.
It'd make for a mind-blowing sequel, I reckon.

BUT I DON'T KNOW. I just wanted to lob some of my thoughts out there!

[The_Mirrors_Edge]

Holy BEEEEEEEEEEEP!!!!!!!!

That was freakin AWESOME. THAT WOULD MAKE THE BEST GAME EVER!!!!!!!!
And I have the interrogation art in my gallery. You sir or ma'am are the best person ever!

[MilliX]

Thanks! I'm quite relieved that what I typed out made any narrative sense at all!

I'm a guy by the way. lol

I should probably update my profile with such information... meh, I'll do it later. :P

[Nadine]

Wow... Out of all the LONG freaking posts in here I actually read yours (sorry glosy) and WOW...

you have a bit too much time on your hands... but I love you

[MilliX]

Originally Posted by Cross_Projection

you have a bit too much time on your hands...

lol, can't say I didn't expect someone to make that comment.

I'm not usually so... keen about things, but I had a day off work with nothing else to do!


Time for some more wild speculation!
Lt. Miller is 88.7!
This assumption has no basis whatsoever!
It'd just be pretty freaking crazy!

Or better yet...
Abraham Connors, Faith's dad is 88.7!!

Wait, no!

Erika Connors' death was staged!
SHE IS 88.7!!

Pfft, we don't even need to buy the game now. We've got the storyline, plot development and characters sorted.

[Nadine]

Oh yeah... But I'd still actually like to play the game... I personally think that... This is going to sound completely STUPID..

What if Calahagn is 88.7?

Everything he's doing with PK is all staged, it's like he's hiding the truth. He wants the city to be like this.