Why do servers become HC?

Bazajaytee · 21-04-2010, 01:48 PM

If any of these settings exist a server will display as Hardcore.

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isHardcore = true
infoFriendlyFire = true
infoAutoBalance = false
infoKillCam = false
infoMiniMap = false
infoCrosshair = false
info3DSpotting = false
infoMiniMapSpotting = false
info3PersonVehicleCameras = false

We are going to implement a colour coding scheme in the next client which will differenciate between a normal server (default settings) and a modified server (Hardcore)

Borlag · 21-04-2010, 01:51 PM

Sounds like you're making it complicated just for the sake of being complicated. The only thing that should affect that flag is that isHardcore setting. If you want to add color codes, do so just for the custom settings, leave normal and HC as the only ones affecting that flag. That's the only way for it to make sense.

buddhatree · 21-04-2010, 01:58 PM

OT:

Happy Birthday Baza!

I noticed you are now 31. Old man!

Quercus044 · 21-04-2010, 02:00 PM

Whatever. When will you fix the hardcore mode so that the other toggles can work (e.g. 3d spotting, killcam) and fix the MG36 which still doesn't have a working sight in hardcore mode?

Rambo-16AAB · 21-04-2010, 02:06 PM

The R10 server STILL doesnt read the startup text file correctly. So, I just discovered my Hardcore server, wasnt again after it got restarted. The Startup.txt file contains the correct settings, which appear to get ignored.

arevar · 21-04-2010, 02:09 PM

This is confusing.

Default, Custom, and Hardcore settings are 3 different game concepts.
Custom settings shouldn't be labelled Hardcore.

Please use industry standards.

davespanzer · 21-04-2010, 02:10 PM

So Squad Rush and Squad DM are HardCore just because auto balance is set to off by default.

Bazajaytee · 21-04-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Borlag

Sounds like you're making it complicated just for the sake of being complicated. The only thing that should affect that flag is that isHardcore setting. If you want to add color codes, do so just for the custom settings, leave normal and HC as the only ones affecting that flag. That's the only way for it to make sense.

It is to allow players who want "softcore" servers to not end up in a server with FF ON and shoot all their team in the back because they aren't used to the game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddhatree

OT:

Happy Birthday Baza!

I noticed you are now 31. Old man!

Thanks

Borlag · 21-04-2010, 02:24 PM

Isn't that what the settings screen on map loadup is for? The problem with setting it like this is that now people are joining normal servers thinking it's hardcore. And even worse, now people aren't joining custom servers thinking those are hardcore, when in reality all they've done is disabled one of those settings affecting this.

SimGameIt · 21-04-2010, 02:25 PM

Yea Baza happy birthday old man. Do you know what you wanna be when you grow up? LOLOLOLOL

Seriously man go home, its your birthday. In fact skip home and go straight to the bar!

Rathoz · 21-04-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bazajaytee

It is to allow players who want "softcore" servers to not end up in a server with FF ON and shoot all their team in the back because they aren't used to the game.

If you ask me, killcam should NOT affect hardcore status, same with 3p vehicle cams.

GeneratorOfChaos · 21-04-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rathoz

If you ask me, killcam should NOT affect hardcore status, same with 3p vehicle cams.

Why? It's more camp-friendly lalalala, much like hardcore.

Happy birthday Baza... Now go punch out whomever "balanced" the weapons...

trayton96 · 21-04-2010, 02:41 PM

beside color coding, are you planning to make the HC mode more flexible? so, the other settings *will take effect* when HC is on. thus it would be possible to have minimap and spotting in HC mode.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bazajaytee

It is to allow players who want "softcore" servers to not end up in a server with FF ON and shoot all their team in the back because they aren't used to the game.
Thanks

plzlol91 · 21-04-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bazajaytee

It is to allow players who want "softcore" servers to not end up in a server with FF ON and shoot all their team in the back because they aren't used to the game.

So add a FF filter, because some server have settings like
infoAutoBalance = false
infoKillCam = false
but are not HC at all !
So I agree with Borlag.

jtSnip3r · 21-04-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rambo-16AAB

The R10 server STILL doesnt read the startup text file correctly. So, I just discovered my Hardcore server, wasnt again after it got restarted. The Startup.txt file contains the correct settings, which appear to get ignored.

Can we get a answer to this question please?

DMUniBoNGeR · 21-04-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by davespanzer

So Squad Rush and Squad DM are HardCore just because auto balance is set to off by default.

Yep my squad DM servers are showing as Hardcore when actually one is and one isn't. This doesn't seem like a very bright idea as many have mentioned there is a hardcore option for a reason and unless that is turned on your server shouldn't show in the browser as hardcore.

FF on and other options such as that should be viewable by looking at the server options once you have clicked on a server. Automatically placing servers in the hardcore catagory simply because they might have FF on or perhaps another option that might make them "qualify" as a hardcore server is only going to cause more confusion. Its not a proper solution in my opinion. If you have hardcore turned on list it as hardcore, otherwise leave it alone!

kbrinkman · 21-04-2010, 02:45 PM

Seems kind of extreme, I hate FF servers and HC servers but removing the kill cam shouldn't make it HC.

I dunno, I'll be filterting out HC servers, this means if

FF = off
HC = off
Kill cam = off

then i wont see that server cuz killcam is turned off

fausto412 · 21-04-2010, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bazajaytee

It is to allow players who want "softcore" servers to not end up in a server with FF ON and shoot all their team in the back because they aren't used to the game.

Thanks

i turned 31 last week...looking at Baza turning 31 made me look at ages on this thread...we got some old geezers playing this game LOL

Setekh · 21-04-2010, 02:46 PM

These settings will now mean that 80% of servers will now display as hardcore.
So there is no way to tell now if a server is running true hardcore or just has the killcam turned off.
Well done DICE, another game ruined.

StalkerSAS · 21-04-2010, 02:49 PM

Jesus christ.

Who comes up with this Baza ? have you cloned Heath Robinson or something ?

For the love of GOD make the HC filter read the vars.hardCore false Flag, it doesn't need to look at anything else. Your making a grown man come close to tears here lalala.

fausto412 · 21-04-2010, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bazajaytee

If any of these settings exist a server will display as Hardcore.

We are going to implement a colour coding scheme in the next client which will differenciate between a normal server (default settings) and a modified server (Hardcore)

all i want to play is default settings. i use the hud a lot when i play to make decisions. if others want HC that's fine...i just want to filter HC out.

Now i do like games with FF=ON also to stop the suicide c4 in the room people. just look at the bf2142 server browser and build on that.

trayton96 · 21-04-2010, 02:52 PM

I don't see any question in that quote.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtSnip3r

Can we get a answer to this question please?

suibhne · 21-04-2010, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borlag

Sounds like you're making it complicated just for the sake of being complicated. The only thing that should affect that flag is that isHardcore setting. If you want to add color codes, do so just for the custom settings, leave normal and HC as the only ones affecting that flag. That's the only way for it to make sense.

I couldn't agree more - color-flag all non-default servers, fine, but use the "Hardcore" filter for Hardcore servers only.

Many, many people dislike Hardcore but still enjoy playing servers with no xhair, FF, etc. Many servers use those settings while still avoiding Hardcore like the plague. The Hardcore setting's halving of player health is a much more fundamental change than anything else up there, even FF, and it would be a huge mistake to conflate them.

All you'll accomplish with this overly vague definition of "Hardcore" is to needlessly splinter the community. The many servers which currently use non-default killcam, xhair, or FF settings will either have to go back to stock settings, or miss out on most of their current player base (which doesn't want Hardcore) and in turn deal with dissatisfied players who are actually looking for Hardcore servers. And the irony is that the players who actually like Hardcore will have as much trouble finding an enjoyable server as they do now. Servers will still have to put "HC" or "Hardcore" in their title for people to understand that they're actually using the Hardcore setting.

Bad play - please rethink this.

jihn · 21-04-2010, 03:05 PM

As many others, i think servers showing up as HC when only having killcam off, or 3rd person view on vehicles etc is stupid.

Whoever thought of this should be laid off.

Rehmes · 21-04-2010, 03:07 PM

Happy hardcore B-day

21-04-2010, 01:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Borlag Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Helsinki, Funland Age: 34 Posts: 853	Sounds like you're making it complicated just for the sake of being complicated. The only thing that should affect that flag is that isHardcore setting. If you want to add color codes, do so just for the custom settings, leave normal and HC as the only ones affecting that flag. That's the only way for it to make sense. __________________ Newsflash: Dice failed quality assurance - No MOH, no BFBC2:Vietnam, no BF1943, no BF3. Nearly 2000 US dollars spent on computer games in the last 18 months - 0USD spent on Dice games in the future.

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21-04-2010, 02:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
Quercus044 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 381	Whatever. When will you fix the hardcore mode so that the other toggles can work (e.g. 3d spotting, killcam) and fix the MG36 which still doesn't have a working sight in hardcore mode? __________________ aka [1Hsr]Blackadder / [1stHssr]Blackadder Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure

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Rambo-16AAB Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: lalalala end of the universe Age: 41 Posts: 526	The R10 server STILL doesnt read the startup text file correctly. So, I just discovered my Hardcore server, wasnt again after it got restarted. The Startup.txt file contains the correct settings, which appear to get ignored. __________________ 16 Air Assault Brigade. Recruiting for BFBC2 Have YOU got what it takes ? 16 Air Assault Brigade

21-04-2010, 02:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
arevar Rookie Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 60	This is confusing. Default, Custom, and Hardcore settings are 3 different game concepts. Custom settings shouldn't be labelled Hardcore. Please use industry standards. Last edited by arevar; 21-04-2010 at 02:11 PM.

21-04-2010, 02:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
davespanzer Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Europe Age: 34 Posts: 107	So Squad Rush and Squad DM are HardCore just because auto balance is set to off by default. __________________ Team Europe @ www.europe-clan.com

21-04-2010, 02:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
Borlag Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Helsinki, Funland Age: 34 Posts: 853	Isn't that what the settings screen on map loadup is for? The problem with setting it like this is that now people are joining normal servers thinking it's hardcore. And even worse, now people aren't joining custom servers thinking those are hardcore, when in reality all they've done is disabled one of those settings affecting this. __________________ Newsflash: Dice failed quality assurance - No MOH, no BFBC2:Vietnam, no BF1943, no BF3. Nearly 2000 US dollars spent on computer games in the last 18 months - 0USD spent on Dice games in the future.

21-04-2010, 02:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
SimGameIt Forum Guru Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Illinois, United States Age: 39 Posts: 1,978	Yea Baza happy birthday old man. Do you know what you wanna be when you grow up? LOLOLOLOL Seriously man go home, its your birthday. In fact skip home and go straight to the bar! __________________ Nice to be back. I guess i need to stop making people cry. WAAAHHHHHH

21-04-2010, 02:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
kbrinkman Rookie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 377	Seems kind of extreme, I hate FF servers and HC servers but removing the kill cam shouldn't make it HC. I dunno, I'll be filterting out HC servers, this means if FF = off HC = off Kill cam = off then i wont see that server cuz killcam is turned off

21-04-2010, 02:46 PM	#19 (permalink)
Setekh Rookie Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 309	These settings will now mean that 80% of servers will now display as hardcore. So there is no way to tell now if a server is running true hardcore or just has the killcam turned off. Well done DICE, another game ruined.

21-04-2010, 02:49 PM	#20 (permalink)
StalkerSAS Forum Guru Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Notts Age: 38 Posts: 1,973	Jesus christ. Who comes up with this Baza ? have you cloned Heath Robinson or something ? For the love of GOD make the HC filter read the vars.hardCore false Flag, it doesn't need to look at anything else. Your making a grown man come close to tears here lalala. __________________ {SAS} The Home of The Beer Drinkers Embracing the OnionRing Snuggling up to the BattleFrog Last edited by StalkerSAS; 21-04-2010 at 03:05 PM.

21-04-2010, 03:05 PM	#24 (permalink)
jihn Rookie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8	As many others, i think servers showing up as HC when only having killcam off, or 3rd person view on vehicles etc is stupid. Whoever thought of this should be laid off.

21-04-2010, 03:07 PM	#25 (permalink)
Rehmes Rookie Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Denmark Age: 23 Posts: 481 Blog Entries: 1	Happy hardcore B-day __________________ http://tinyurl.com/BCsoldier