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[mccolli]

Originally Posted by conway_jr

lol am only messin mate, i have a little secret confession, i dnt mind the odd little mc tune :P, right cya in Dressing room, gonna set up me dazzle

im ashamed in you lol

i only lke different music now coz of me mate all he plays is kasaian kings of leon red hot chilli peppers dizzie rascal his music taste is mad but i love all the songs aswell lol

[Bairnsfan]

Hi lads,if you're doing an all-nighter on the 14th i'd be available if someone's not able to make it.

Off work 14th,15th,16th .

Emergency call-up,standing by

[mccolli]

Originally Posted by Bairnsfan

Hi lads,if you're doing an all-nighter on the 14th i'd be available if someone's not able to make it.

Off work 14th,15th,16th .

Emergency call-up,standing by

if it on the 15th i wont be able to start till like 1 in the morning coz of snooker tournament so you mite be in luck bairns il take late night shift

[ayrshirelass]

cheers zombie!

next mym utd meetup - tuesday @ 8pm please

[BARR2K]

Half decent meet up tonight with some good play in spells.... I don't think the team was gelling tbh and we kept trying the same stuff over and over again which I found abit frustrating and I also think other people did aswell...

we are a great team but do think we are abit lazy sometimes in our approach and also not to quick on the uptake on seeing what our opponents and players in our team are trying to do.

Maybe a change in formation?.... as I do think we over use the wings when we attack tbh and got found out abit tonight.

What do other people think?

[PaulJ92]

Playing on the wing I did notice it tonight, and it gets hard - can only do so many things; when get the ball on basically every play in the same (long through ball) way the defender eventually reads us.

Think it depends on how we play with Zacc in the team. I do think we need to sort the midfield layout out though, with a triangle formation in place.

-------Daniito-------
WBA------------PJT
--------BARR-------
----VanB---Dan-----

I feel using this will offer us more variety in attack, and also allow Matt to stick some more lethal passes through to all 3 up top - as well as have a crack or two himself from outside the box

[mccolli]

basic 4-5-1 with the run changed so barr zacc and pj our attacking and basten and dans runs our focused fully on defense

[Zundrak]

The Wingers will always be the easy outlet every time; it's fine to play it down there when it's on. However if we begin to start mixing up our Focus Attack from down both the flanks to centrally it will have defences guessing our next move and open up areas of the field. Another thing i've noticed, and it's something I suffer from, is for example in that Liverpool game; we were pressured all over the pitch, little time to think, so when you got the ball there was a player right on your tail so we had to pass straight away or being forced to hoof it clear as Torres and Babel were bearing down on us defenders, I really didn't know what to do; it's very difficult to 'slow' a game down when we're 2-0 down, looking for a goal for the momentum, along with the fact Fifa's halves are much shorter than 45 minutes so time is the essence.

There's no doubt that everyone in the team is a top notch gamer, and understands the concept of playing as a team, playing the simple balls etc and we are beginning to start an understanding between ourselves.

In that Liverpool game (sorry to bring it up again) we began to get riled by their taunts following their goals. Don't rise to it, shouting back to them does no good, they do it as a distraction and in most cases; to force us out of the game and quit. Need to focus on the game instead of dealing with immature opponents, lets do our talking on the pitch.

Other than that, keep up the great work guys, little bit of an off day I guess; every team has them.

Cheers

Jack // Zundrak // OpPrimeRib

[PaulJ92]

Would become extremely crowded imo.

Maybe a 4-2-3-1

------Daniito------
-Zacc--Barr--PJT-
---VanB---Dan----

[mccolli]

Originally Posted by PaulJ92

Would become extremely crowded imo.

Maybe a 4-2-3-1

------Daniito------
-Zacc--Barr--PJT-
---VanB---Dan----

i just dont agree with you matt and zacc being more pushed up because at times 2day matt joins up like a second striker which leaves us short in midfield and then with winger they also stay very far up the field we should use

4-1-2-1-2
------matt--danito---
----------dan--------
zacc---------------pjt
--------basten--------
-----------------------
me-conway-spike-zundrak

[Bairnsfan]

Originally Posted by Zundrak

I really didn't know what to do; it's very difficult to 'slow' a game down when we're 2-0 down, looking for a goal for the momentum, along with the fact Fifa's halves are much shorter than 45 minutes so time is the essence.

Sometimes the best thing when you've got no space is to play it back to the goalkeeper. Also,the defender who just passed the ball to you should probably have moved to make himself an option too.

The halves are 5 minutes long but it's very fast. As such,you can score 2 goals in 20 seconds. Even if 3-0 down,patience is the best way. Route 1 to Carew works,but it makes it harder for him to get involved because he has to chase the play.

[Bairnsfan]

Originally Posted by mccolli

i just dont agree with you matt and zacc being more pushed up because at times 2day matt joins up like a second striker which leaves us short in midfield and then with winger they also stay very far up the field we should use

4-1-2-1-2
------matt--danito---
----------dan--------
zacc---------------pjt
--------basten--------
-----------------------
me-conway-spike-zundrak

The above works solely on the assumption that the LM and RM remember to track back,which seemed to be a problem we had in previous 4-4-2 variants.

[mccolli]

well we could bully them 2 track back lol

[Zundrak]

Originally Posted by Bairnsfan

Sometimes the best thing when you've got no space is to play it back to the goalkeeper. Also,the defender who just passed the ball to you should probably have moved to make himself an option too.

Ahh yes if there's the room and space. But the example I used was in tonight's game against Liverpool. They played a 'Super High Pressure' tactic, not enough time to compose yourself or get a foot on the ball, especially with the speed of their strikers. I'll usually go back to the goalkeeper/play a cross-field ball to Weezie/Simple ball to PJ or Dan but it just was impossible to have the ball longer than 2 seconds, unless you got a decent turn off to get a yard.

[Bairnsfan]

Originally Posted by mccolli

well we could bully them 2 track back lol

Put them on a leash

Originally Posted by Zundrak

Ahh yes if there's the room and space. But the example I used was in tonight's game against Liverpool. They played a 'Super High Pressure' tactic, not enough time to compose yourself or get a foot on the ball, especially with the speed of their strikers. I'll usually go back to the goalkeeper/play a cross-field ball to Weezie/Simple ball to PJ or Dan but it just was impossible to have the ball longer than 2 seconds, unless you got a decent turn off to get a yard.

See,i don't get that

I'm not as good as anyone in that back 4,but i always felt i had time to do what i wanted to do.

The best thing you can do,is to not watch the ball come to you but be looking at where you can pass to and press a before the ball gets to you. 1 touch,straight to the man you want. Again,running works two ways,just jog back. Plus,if like 99% of these type of players,they just hold A and sprint like a mad man,simply make 45 degree turns with LT.

[ElDanzo09]

My only request regarding formation change is pleeeeease don't use 2 strikers. I've never seemed to do well at all in that kind of formation. I think the main changes to formation (if there in fact needs to be a change) should be focussed on how the midfield is laid out.

[mccolli]

Originally Posted by ElDanzo09

My only request regarding formation change is pleeeeease don't use 2 strikers. I've never seemed to do well at all in that kind of formation. I think the main changes to formation (if there in fact needs to be a change) should be focussed on how the midfield is laid out.

that sounds a bit unprepared for change lol because matt really does push up and 2day he was like a 2nd striker and it worked because you started scoring again 2day. it would be worth a try even if it meant matt being played in cf and you leading st

[PaulJ92]

4-1-2-1-2
------matt--danito---
----------dan--------
zacc---------------pjt
--------basten--------
-----------------------

Been there done that: That won't work, it'll just maximise our current problem even more, lower wingers/midfielder means the ball will go wide even more.. Plus Daniito plays like Torres/Drogba, don't give him a partner - not needed lol.

[Bairnsfan]

I think the best option is to let the powers that be decide.

There's no reason why any formation shouldn't work,what makes it fail,is the personnel involved in it. If for example,it was a 4-4-2,there's got to be a mutual understanding between midfielders as to who attacks and who defends. If it's a 5-4-1,there's got to be understanding of when the full backs are free to link up.

It's the only thing i remember being wrong - we were a little robotic.

[ElDanzo09]

Originally Posted by mccolli

that sounds a bit unprepared for change lol because matt really does push up and 2day he was like a 2nd striker and it worked because you started scoring again 2day. it would be worth a try even if it meant matt being played in cf and you leading st

Yeah Matt pushes up to like a CAM role (which is great because it can give him more chances to pick out front 3), and if it gets closer to CF or ST, I get irritated because i feel like I need to change my runs so that we don't overlap. Matt did well tonight in not going too close to me so I was happy enough. Also, it's not like i've been on a goal drought, I just haven't been playing to the same level I was like 2 weeks ago. In time, it'll get sorted i hope, just a dip in performance. But we have tried that kind of formation before and changed back with 5 games because we all agreed it was a lack of space. If anything, thats really isolating our team into two halves, attack and defence. There'd be no linkup with midfield and i agree it'd contribute to even more balls being played out wide.

Just adding, ofcourse i'd be willing to try whatever, but above is my preference of what i'd not want.

[danielrh]

Originally Posted by PaulJ92

Think it depends on how we play with Zacc in the team. I do think we need to sort the midfield layout out though, with a triangle formation in place.

-------Daniito-------
WBA------------PJT
--------BARR-------
----VanB---Dan-----

I feel using this will offer us more variety in attack, and also allow Matt to stick some more lethal passes through to all 3 up top - as well as have a crack or two himself from outside the box

this is the idea - I've been thinking about with me and Van Basten as a DM's,....we'll get it back lads - hope the whole team is available for sunday.

[BigZombieMonkey]

I actually messaged Dan on what I thought of the night but I will also comment here:

I don't think the formation is so much the problem but more of the positioning of players on the attack. When I'm not recording I press the select button to stick the camera on me at all times rather than follow the ball so I watch the scanner a lot and I noticed every time we attacked anyone who wasn't a defender moved up very high, van basten was the only one who was not always too far up when they countered and in result it made it a nightmare for the defence, especially when Conway had to play as more than 1 defender as he can't push the offside line like we usually do and quite often the computer would drop back deep meaning I either had to do the same or risk a long ball over the top where the computer would keep the strikers onside and the speed would outpace me leaving conway to switch to the only defender. Whilst that can't be helped the midfielders need some specific instructions imo as I know how easy it is to get drawn into a fast paced attack whilst playing in midfield only for an opposition defender to header it over the midfield leaving the defense to be under heavy pressure. I think one midfielder other than van basten needs to play the "hole midfielder" role, basically one midfielder needs to be in the hole between the midfield and the defence so when the ball is cleared by our opposition it doesn't turn into an instant attack from them as the "hole midfielder" will disrupt giving the other midfielders a chance to get back.

I made a quick diagram to highlight what I think the main issue is:



Basically when we attack the second the ball hits the red zone so does 5 of our players, the st,lw,rw and two midfielders and whilst thats a good attack 9/10 times one midfielder isn't needed in that red zone and would be better off in the orange zone as the second the ball is headed clear thats where it lands. When we have 5 players in the red zone they usually have 4-6 leaving 4-6 of their players in the orange zone against van basten who is usually on his own. they then break away and it ends in a 4-6 of their players coming at 4-5 of our players. If another midfielder was to drop into the orange zone with van basten on attacks then we may break more counters down before they even start and maintain an attack on the opposition putting them under more pressure.

The only other big issue I think is when attacking we will play a lot of square balls and mostly forward balls but very rarely pass the ball backwards. Our full backs move up to help so if a winger gets in a bad position he could play it back to the full back and we could rebuild an attack from that rather than trying a cross or to take a player on when the chances of pulling it off aren't so good. Also a pass backwards to the defense may not be stylish but it does make the opposition ball chase and stretches their team out making it harder to make a successful pass if they do steal possession.

I think deep down we all know this but a long time of playing direct and wing football is making it a little hard to adapt.

Hopefully we can sort this out because as others have said this team is an amazing team and we all know how to play football, we just seem to be in a small rut atm (which is not that bad when you consider we are not exactly losing every game we play lol).

Anyways thats just my two cents and if you don't agree with me feel free to say so, hopefully if we all give some feedback between us all we can find a way to overcome this

[VANBASTEN9]

I think the midfield was stretched last nite i think the problem is that matt plays a attacking midfield role which on the formation he is a lcm and when he pushes it leaves a gap on the left side of midfield, which i have to go over and cover. When i do this it leaves a gap in the middle when i go over to cover, to sole the problem in midfield i think 2 dm would work well with matt being a attacking midfield, not thats it is matts folt this is what he has been told to do, we had the same problem when cruz played there.

[BigZombieMonkey]

Originally Posted by VANBASTEN9

I think the midfield was stretched last nite i think the problem is that matt plays a attacking midfield role which on the formation he is a lcm and when he pushes it leaves a gap on the left side of midfield, which i have to go over and cover. When i do this it leaves a gap in the middle when i go over to cover, to sole the problem in midfield i think 2 dm would work well with matt being a attacking midfield, not thats it is matts folt this is what he has been told to do, we had the same problem when cruz played there.

I agree, thats kind of what I was summing up only I didn't know who was leaving gaps etc, the thing is with the formation we are playing it's not anyones fault the gaps are there, it's natural to attack as a CM, put that D in front of the CM and suddenly you have a whole new mentality lol

[danielrh]

That's what I like about this team - I've got players who are football minded, as I said I'll will just tweak the three in midfield (me, Matt and Van Basten) to get the best out of the formation.