General Election : Who Will You Vote For

[Maus652]

Around here it's just for sport.

There's fox hunting and there's "humane"* pest control.

Fox Hunting is just not necessary.


*obviously nothing is ever 100% humane. Otherwise Euthanasia wouldn't be an issue.

[Doc]

So if fox hunting is banned, why isnt all forms of hunting banned?

[Maus652]

Fox hunting = chasing fox for miles, on horses and with dogs. And perhaps, if it's a ''friendly'' group of hunters, they end up shooting it BEFORE the dogs get it.


Bird hunting, if that's what you're referring to, generally involves just startling and shooting.

[Doc]

rabbits, pheasants, birds, why not ban all that? because that's probs a worse form of hunting than fox hunting.

[Rohannnn]

Hunting foxes isn't banned as far as I'm aware. You can shoot them, trap them, poison them as necessary for pest control.

Only hunting and killing them with dogs is banned.

[SolidFitLad]

i would say fox hunting wouldnt be an issue, if they just changed the way they done things. nyways the law was passed some years ago im not sure when but maybe 06 times.
i dont actually have a clue now what farmers do? :S just set traps or something?
but i like foxes around my area. i actually seen 3 lil cute baby fox cubs last week when i was crossing a train line

[chrislouieII]

Originally Posted by Maus652

*obviously nothing is ever 100% humane. Otherwise Euthanasia wouldn't be an issue.

And what do you think about euthanasia?

Originally Posted by Doc

So if fox hunting is banned, why isnt all forms of hunting banned?

Well it should be.

[Maus652]

Originally Posted by Rohannnn

Hunting foxes isn't banned as far as I'm aware. You can shoot them, trap them, poison them as necessary for pest control.

Only hunting and killing them with dogs is banned.

I think that's right, actually.

Obviously, if they are *genuinely* being a pest (badgers around here are being illegally poisoned and dumped, for example) then you're allowed to ''pest control'' them.


Animal cruelty extends beyond personal pets, and a lot of people seem to forget that.

@Doc: Actually, hunting rabbits is more humane than the pest control version, ironically. Mixymitosis is a horrible disease farmers put about when rabbits in the area are getting over populated.

Originally Posted by chris louie II

And what do you think about euthanasia?

I think the state and the church have no right to take away the person's right to die.

You could take away a person's right to live in the past, why not let them have the right to die now?

But that's not a proper issue politicians will be touching on too much in detail for a long time.

[Bourbons3]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

Voting for Lib Dem(even though they'll lose the election).

Not voting for Torys because David Cameron wants to increase University tuition fees to £7000 per year.

7000 x 3 years=21 thousand pounds waste. It may take a few years to work to compensate that loss of money (depending on your degree/profession).

So I urge you guys not to vote for Conservatives. Also they want to delay the pensioning retirement age..
And if you want to go on to University in 1-2 years time, they'll demand 3 A-Levels at least for a degree course, its gonna get tougher to enter.

Luckily for me, I am in already.But I still wouldn't want to spend £7000 next year for my degree. I think £3245 is a lot of money anyways..
Also Cameron's a bit arrogant, I've been observing the House of Commons in BBC Parliament Channel for a few years now. I think I would prefer Michael Howard or William Hague instead of Cameron.

While I agree with the principle of tuition fees, £7000 is too much. Going to university gets you in to enough debt as it is, especially if you live away from home. But entry requirements should be challenging, although they seemed challenging enough when I first applied last year.

But I do think the retirement age should be raised to 66 or 67 for both men and women. It will save billions of pounds after just a few years.

Seeing as everyone seems to be going to university now, very few people work from 16 to 65. Its now 21 to 65. And I may be mistaken, but doesn't the government now require people to stay on in education or training until they're 18? So raising it to 67 isn't actually increasing the number of years people spend at work.

[Maus652]

Originally Posted by Bourbons3

Seeing as everyone seems to be going to university now, very few people work from 16 to 65. Its now 21 to 65. And I may be mistaken, but doesn't the government now require people to stay on in education or training until they're 18? So raising it to 67 isn't actually increasing the number of years people spend at work.

Specially since people like my great uncle were bored at home, fit enough to work and still do.

...off the record.

Whilst a lot of people look forward to retirement, quite a lot of people are ousted out of their job because they've hit "that" age, when they might be 10 years younger physically and mentally than the 50 year old down the road.

[Bourbons3]

Originally Posted by Maus652

Specially since people like my great uncle were bored at home, fit enough to work and still do.

...off the record.

Whilst a lot of people look forward to retirement, quite a lot of people are ousted out of their job because they've hit "that" age, when they might be 10 years younger physically and mentally than the 50 year old down the road.

Plus there's probably a lot of older people who go past 65 (the censor doesn't like the word re tire at the moment) only to find themselves wishing they had a job again. There's a few older men at the Tesco I work at who are past retirement age, and came and worked here part-time, after they'd retired from their full-time job. People get bored in old age, as you say. And working part-time gives them an extra income, and most importantly for some of them, something to do that involves human contact for a few hours a week.

[Maus652]

I read a interview or something once, where this man was slating retirement, because he was "waiting to die". Unless you have a decent hobby and family, that wasn't golf and grandchildren that visited every 6 months, there was very little going for ''older'' people.

That was back when the retirement age was 65, before it was lowered to 60.

It's true: People are living a lot longer now. They're being asked to spend 15+ years of their lives trying to find a way to beat boredom, survive living on a pension and still be able to leave the children or animal shelters something.

[Luxz0rz]

Originally Posted by AyrshireDon

Mate im not a supporter of the party so please direct that at the other guy.

Same post time

[NathanPlayer1]

shut are borders . no more in lots more out and u have my vote

[KickFlip360]

Originally Posted by AyrshireDon

They are not a major British party or a minor british party (Only a major Scottish party) because they are not on the voting papers for the Westminster elections therefore you cannont vote for them even if you wanted to.

/facepalm.

Do you know anything about politics? ¬_¬"

[jonoftheburns]

RE: the above posts that call the EU a free trade bloc of which the UK is a member.

This is true in most areas but let's not forget that the EU actually allows greedy governments to shelter a lot of sectors - agriculture being the biggest known case. In these instances, consumers get abolutely zero benefits from their country's membership of the EU. Instead, money is taken out of their pockets and put into the pockets of interest groups (e.g. farmers) and government coffers. A recent example of this has been with online gambling and states protecting their own national lotteries and bookies (in the UK, the Tote is nationalised) at the expense of letting people decide for themselves where they bet. Home / right2bet / Fighting for an EU citizen's right to choose is a petition aimed at using the EU's democratic channels to remedy this.

also, i find it very distressing that the BNP rate so highly on this thread's poll. that party have no solutions to the problems facing the country, let alone sensible ones, and are an absolute disgrace to this country's proud tradition of liberal democracy.

[cleadon]

Err, hear, hear.

[AyrshireDon]

Originally Posted by KickFlip360

/facepalm.

Do you know anything about politics? ¬_¬"

Yes I do and the SNP are a SCOTTISH party they don't run for the Westminster elections they don't care for the well being of the UK they only want to destroy Scotland by becoming independant learn your facts mate.

[Muckermac]

Like the Richard Pryor movie Brusters Millions, says
Vote for NONE OF THE ABOVE

[KickFlip360]

Originally Posted by AyrshireDon

Yes I do and the SNP are a SCOTTISH party they don't run for the Westminster elections they don't care for the well being of the UK they only want to destroy Scotland by becoming independant learn your facts mate.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Any British party have the right to run in Westminster.

[AyrshireDon]

Originally Posted by KickFlip360

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Any British party have the right to run in Westminster.

YouTube - Epic Facepalm Compilation

Then why for the past 100 years has the SNP never ran for Westminster? The SNP are not a British party tho they are a Scottish Party who holds no suport outside of Scotland there names are not on the ballot papers for that reason.

[KickFlip360]

Originally Posted by AyrshireDon

YouTube - Epic Facepalm Compilation

Then why for the past 100 years has the SNP never ran for Westminster? The SNP are not a British party tho they are a Scottish Party who holds no suport outside of Scotland there names are not on the ballot papers for that reason.

They don't want to run for Westminster becasue they Westminster as a forgien paliment. But the fact remains, they can still opt for it.

[SunburnedPenguin]

I think Ayeshires point was that they dont, not whether they could or not.

[RazPne]

It's a worrying future if the BNP is leading with 17 votes haha

[cleadon]

Indeed.