Religion, would we be better off without it? - Page 3

Portsmouth123 · 10-01-2009, 09:56 PM

No religion tells people to go to war, its all a mis interpretation of religion. Maybe oneday you will find out about some religions based on peace and equality.

MizVoldemort · 10-01-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Roo

yes, I don't agree

Want to explain why?

Roo · 10-01-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MizVoldemort

Want to explain why?

I just can't grasp the concept that we need to hold onto an ancient belief that our lives are dictated by some superior being MizVoldermort.

I find it hard to accept that there is some "being" that controls & judges our actions. I feel that a lot of people use religion as an excuse to further their cause.

Don't you think that we should be at a stage now where we are controllers of our own destiny & that we are mature enough now as a species to be able to decide our own path.

Are we just servants of God?

Each day science probes deeper into our existance & unravels issues that 20/30/40 years ago would've seemed incredulous.

I have to admit that sometimes I envy religious people & I wish I had that tranquilty that seems to accompany their belief.

Portsmouth123 · 10-01-2009, 10:08 PM

Religion is something that most of you lack

Roo · 10-01-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Portsmouth123

Religion is something that most of you lack

Is that a bad thing do you think ?

Glorious90 · 10-01-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Roo

I just can't grasp the concept that we need to hold onto an ancient belief that our lives are dictated by some superior being MizVoldermort.

I find it hard to accept that there is some "being" that controls & judges our actions. I feel that a lot of people use religion as an excuse to further their cause.

Don't you think that we should be at a stage now where we are controllers of our own destiny & that we are mature enough now as a species to be able to decide our own path.

Are we just servants of God?

Each day science probes deeper into our existance & unravels issues that 20/30/40 years ago would've seemed incredulous.

I have to admit that sometimes I envy religious people & I wish I had that tranquilty that seems to accompany their belief.

Well said.

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Originally Posted by Portsmouth123

Religion is something that most of you lack

Care to explain that one?

MizVoldemort · 10-01-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Roo

I just can't grasp the concept that we need to hold onto an ancient belief that our lives are dictated by some superior being MizVoldermort.

I find it hard to accept that there is some "being" that controls & judges our actions. I feel that a lot of people use religion as an excuse to further their cause.

Don't you think that we should be at a stage now where we are controllers of our own destiny & that we are mature enough now as a species to be able to decide our own path.

Are we just servants of God?

Each day science probes deeper into our existance & unravels issues that 20/30/40 years ago would've seemed incredulous.

I have to admit that sometimes I envy religious people & I wish I had that tranquilty that seems to accompany their belief.

You're free to make the choice to rule your own destiny. And so are other people.

The point I origionally argued against was the way you stated that the believers will force their beliefs on everyone else, etc. Most people (who I know anyway) do not. To them religion is something personal, that they use, and they will only really talk about it if we get into talking about it, and even then, it's about explaining our beliefs and where they came from, rather than trying to convert, or make ourselves superior to someone.

It's not just religion that people will use to justify their cause. It is human nature to manipulate others, and human nature to want power. There are always people who will use their wealth, status, gender, looks, religion, and a lot of other things to manipulate and further their own wants and needs. I will do it - even subconciously I've found myself manipulating and putting people down using my intelligence (which is just about the only thing I've got going for me

)

In short: people furthering their own causes is not limited to religion.

Portsmouth123 · 10-01-2009, 10:13 PM

yes it is.

Your soul will not progress in the next world if you do not nurture it in this world. Do you want to be handicapped in the next world?

Glorious90 · 10-01-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MizVoldemort

You're free to make the choice to rule your own destiny. And so are other people.

The point I origionally argued against was the way you stated that the believers will force their beliefs on everyone else, etc. Most people (who I know anyway) do not. To them religion is something personal, that they use, and they will only really talk about it if we get into talking about it, and even then, it's about explaining our beliefs and where they came from, rather than trying to convert, or make ourselves superior to someone.

It's not just religion that people will use to justify their cause. It is human nature to manipulate others, and human nature to want power. There are always people who will use their wealth, status, gender, looks, religion, and a lot of other things to manipulate and further their own wants and needs. I will do it - even subconciously I've found myself manipulating and putting people down using my intelligence (which is just about the only thing I've got going for me

)

In short: people furthering their own causes is not limited to religion.

You are right.

But using religion as a way to force something onto others is totally against the whole point of any religion. Every religion in the world is basically based on the same thing. Do to others what you want others to do to you. And then it is just ironic seeing how they use religion for example to put others down (example: g4y people, atheist and so on)

They all praise that all men are created equal, but go on using that very religion as a tool to bring people down, just because they are different. And that is what annoys me the most, the hypocricy of religions.

And if you think about it, how is religion that much different from a dictatorship?

Vykk Draygo · 10-01-2009, 10:18 PM

Better off without religion? - No. People will find ways to hate each other no matter what. Sorry, to blame the worlds problem on religion is a copout (not that you did, just saying).

Though I guess things would be a lot better if people kept their religious views and opinions to themselves. I certainly don't want some god-crazed guy preaching to me about how great 'god' is, and I definitely don't want some atheist nut getting all ticked off because he hates religion (yet he's doing the same exact thing

[and yes, I do realize it's not a religion]).

Roo · 10-01-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MizVoldemort

You're free to make the choice to rule your own destiny. And so are other people.

The point I origionally argued against was the way you stated that the believers will force their beliefs on everyone else, etc. Most people (who I know anyway) do not. To them religion is something personal, that they use, and they will only really talk about it if we get into talking about it, and even then, it's about explaining our beliefs and where they came from, rather than trying to convert, or make ourselves superior to someone.

It's not just religion that people will use to justify their cause. It is human nature to manipulate others, and human nature to want power. There are always people who will use their wealth, status, gender, looks, religion, and a lot of other things to manipulate and further their own wants and needs. I will do it - even subconciously I've found myself manipulating and putting people down using my intelligence (which is just about the only thing I've got going for me

)

In short: people furthering their own causes is not limited to religion.

But I'm not free at all am I?

According to ALL religions, unless I adhere to their set of rules then I'm condemned to an after existance of damnation & hell.

That's how they get you by the short & curlies. They install a fear in you from infancy.

Why do I need to be told how to behave?

Why can't I just conduct my life in a manner that is good for all humanity

Why do I need a "book" to tell me what's right or wrong?

Why do 3/4/5/6 year olds KNOW that stealing (for example) is wrong?

We don't need the bible/quran to tell us what's what. Our parents do that.

Joe_AFC · 10-01-2009, 10:29 PM

Yes we be better without religon

Anthony · 10-01-2009, 10:30 PM

In some cases yes, and in some no.

Maddi · 10-01-2009, 10:32 PM

Religion.
I believe religion does us justice sometimes in man kind, we need a figure to look up to, to be inspired by... Inspiration bring happiness and hope, which lifts spirits: Thus a happier community to live with/ be in.

I don;t like religion i feel it demeans me in so many ways, and the people around me. I got to a catholic school, And 'god' 'christ' 'Jesus' means every think to them, and it means nothing to me. I don't want to leave my school, so i injure it. I avoid going to church, and my parents respect my decision and opinion towards it. So once i get out of my Catholic school... I'm not going to be a catholic any longer.

Church on the other hand is great, for everyone. But me. Church brings together a well needed community in the area, beings people together in comfortable ways... people feel comforted by going to church because its sends out an vibe of community...

I don't like church because the priest just makes me angry when he talks about God coming back and everything else about religion i find disturbing.

I don't understand how people can believe that 'God' will come back some day... and thats all they have faith in, him coming back... The bible is a big story book filled with lies. I've learnt about the bible and how its been changed through tthe times to be more interesting. But its utterly ridiculous! A magical healing man will come back when the earth it at peace: A latterday saint came to my door once and told me this 'God will come back when there is peace, when babies can stick they're hand down a snake's hole and nor be bitten'... enough said.

Its all rubbish from my point of view... I don't understand how people bring up there kids telling them there's no such thing as magic and then send them to a catholic school and expect them to understand that he will come back, that he healed a homless man's case of blindness, that he healed a broken leg with a touch of his hands. It gets a bit of course after a while...

My view over religion is that, for people that want it; its there for them. But i don't want it, and NO one can make me.

My version of religion: Enjoy the things we have now... Spend time with family and friends, make them happy to make yourself happy. All i want out of life, is to have a good one. To have supportive friends, a great family and a successful career... I want to travel the world, see the stars from the other side of the planet.

My religion is just to have a good time, to be a successful person at every aspect, to just live life to the ultimate full. I don't want to worship anyone, i don't want to wait for him to come back, because i don't think its going to happen.

My perspective on life is just to live it and do well, its also my version of religion. And a rational version. One that makes sense, one that has no flaws.

We have science to back us up... But then what is there? Stephen Hawkings Big Bang theory, after everything he's learnt and been through... (He has muscular dystrophy by the way) after everything he's found about the universe, about the truth... its more than we as humans can handle. After all the hard ship he's been through with pnemonia he still believes in god. He quotes 'God does not play dice...' So if a man who knows so much, more than anyone in the world about the way we started, he still believes.

That sometimes makes me wonder what exactly is anything then? Something so little in the universe, pieces of simple plain matter clashed together to form earth basically. But why is anything then...

I'm sorry if I'm being to controversial. But i finally wrote it

MizVoldemort · 10-01-2009, 10:34 PM

You're free to choose damnation and hell. If you don't believe in it, then why should you strike to avoid it?

Personally, I think religion is outdated. When it was brought about, there was a need to control people. Now, there isn't so much.

Again, personally, I have a lot more respect for the person who is nice to their neighbour because it's the right thing to do, than the person who really wants to go and vandalise next door's new car, but doesn't because they're scared of a vengeful god.

It's interesting that you bring up kids... A five year old only knows that stealing is wrong, because that is what mum's taught them. On Child of our Time (or another program with Robert Winston in :s) a few years ago they did an experiment. They gave an eight and a twelve year old the same question. There are a husband and a wife. The wife is dying of a rare disease, and the only medicine that can cure her is very expensive, and there is no way that they can afford it. Should the man steal the medicine from the doctors to save his wife, or not? The majority of eight year olds answered no, stealing is wrong, whereas the older kids tended go go more along the lines of stealing the medicine. Interesting, isn't it?

Looking back, I think I understand why, as a kid I would say I was Christian (my parents weren't, but the community was), until one day my year seven RE teacher (who was a legend) asked the class to put their hand up if they were Christian... and then asked people to keep their hands up if they actually believed in God. Made me actually think.

Anyway, who told your parents that killing was wrong? And who told their parents that it was wrong? And so on. No one can say for sure where the laws come from, but my guess would be from religion to some extent at least.

Whether we need that today... that's debatable. It kind of ties in with the respect issue I mensioned above... saying I wouldn't respect someone who was good because they feared hell, I would rather not be the victim of, say, a stabbing, and rather that this person decided not to murder me incase they went to hell.

Roo · 10-01-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MizVoldemort

You're free to choose damnation and hell. If you don't believe in it, then why should you strike to avoid it?

Personally, I think religion is outdated. When it was brought about, there was a need to control people. Now, there isn't so much.

Again, personally, I have a lot more respect for the person who is nice to their neighbour because it's the right thing to do, than the person who really wants to go and vandalise next door's new car, but doesn't because they're scared of a vengeful god.

It's interesting that you bring up kids... A five year old only knows that stealing is wrong, because that is what mum's taught them. On Child of our Time (or another program with Robert Winston in :s) a few years ago they did an experiment. They gave an eight and a twelve year old the same question. There are a husband and a wife. The wife is dying of a rare disease, and the only medicine that can cure her is very expensive, and there is no way that they can afford it. Should the man steal the medicine from the doctors to save his wife, or not? The majority of eight year olds answered no, stealing is wrong, whereas the older kids tended go go more along the lines of stealing the medicine. Interesting, isn't it?

Anyway, who told your parents that killing was wrong? And who told their parents that it was wrong? And so on. No one can say for sure where the laws come from, but my guess would be from religion to some extent at least.

Whether we need that today... that's debatable. It kind of ties in with the respect issue I mensioned above... saying I wouldn't respect someone who was good because they feared hell, I would rather not be the victim of, say, a stabbing, and rather that this person decided not to murder me incase they went to hell.

MizVoldermort, the topics you mentioned are instinct. Like animals avoiding pain & starvation. We don't need to be taught it. We know that such behaviours are counter productive & cause too many problems.

No one needed to tell my parents that killing is wrong. You just... know. I don't know why, it just is.

Ok, my 100 years ago jaunt isn't really valid in the western hemisphere anymore.

But in the middle east

When I see pics & videos of Hamas supporters etc waving their toddlers above their head whilst burning flags in the name of Allah, I worry. A lot.

When I see Muslims at work HATING lalalalasexuals & western women, I worry. A lot.

When I hear Muslims saying that they can "have" any female unbeliever, I worry. A lot.

I worry about these things because I know that it's what they teach their children & it's like a desperate funnel of never ending pain.

If I was to be honest with you, it's not religion per se that I despise, it's the way that it's used to manipulate & further someones agenda.

I'm a bit drunk & really can't keep up with you. I guess my attitude regarding religion is tempered by my own childhood experiences & fears.

Kudos to MizVoldermort for maintaining a level head & bomabarding me with counterpoints. I'm whacked, really I am

Glorious90 · 10-01-2009, 11:08 PM

@Madzor

If you are really 13 years old, you deserve a medal. Any 13 year old around here that could write that on a computer would be a genious

@Roo and Voldemort
I see both of your points, but I just can't help but leaning more towards Roo here. I have seen so much idiot behaviour brought on by religious beliefs, that I can't help but feeling we would be better without. And about who tought us what, I don't think that we ever needed religion to tell us what or what not to do. We may be superb as animals, but we are still animals, and we we're born with instincts as every other animal, and our parents thought us what we were not born with. They teach us, like a lionesse teaches her cubs, that water is dangerous, because we can not swim yet, they teach their cubs to hunt, as my mon teaches me to make my own breakfast and so on, I think you get where I am going. It is not for the good of our secies to kill each other, and we wouldnt if not for all the things we ourselves have created that would make us kill.

In the stone age, we would maybe kill each other, but then it was for precious food, or hunting territory, now we kill each other for what? Money, envy, beliefs, opportunity. Things that would not matter if we weren't as spoiled as we are.

Maddi · 10-01-2009, 11:11 PM

What miss Voldemort said about the stealing is very interesting, I've read about this and it striked me as extreamly interesting, i went to investigate...

My opinion for that conversation: Yes, he should steal the medicine. Because his wifes life means more than a trying to be a good catholic by not stealing. If she has any chance of living, use it.

My sister has a similar answer, she's 9:
Yes he should steal it because its worth to steal for her to live.

It was short and honest, i could tell that she was really thinking about it, because she wasn't sure. I think if i asked her last year her answer would be 'no' because her thinking capacity has increased in this last year, she's learnt more socially and academically to know the choices, and to make them wisely.

This happens to every kid when all the basics learning is over, like how to cross the street, and how to tie your shoe, after all the rules have been learnt like: Don't run in the house etc, etc. But if you asked a 6-8yrld (depending on gender) what would you do if you had to run down stairs if there was a fire... well think about it? Some would say no... and some wouldn't know what to say. But ask a older child, and the answer is yes, because they're over the basics and can make appropriate decisions depending to the situation they're encountering.

We're moving towards human psychology here, my favorite subject ever.

Maddi · 10-01-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Glorious90

@Madzor

If you are really 13 years old, you deserve a medal. Any 13 year old around here that could write that on a computer would be a genious

Thank-you, i have my own opinion towards touchy subjects and are not afraid to say them.

abomufc108 · 10-01-2009, 11:13 PM

can't really decide as i find religion quite useful in my social life

Glorious90 · 10-01-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Madzor

What miss Voldemort said about the stealing is very interesting, I've read about this and it striked me as extreamly interesting, i went to investigate...

My opinion for that conversation: Yes, he should steal the medicine. Because his wifes life means more than a trying to be a good catholic by not stealing. If she has any chance of living, use it.

My sister has a similar answer, she's 9:
Yes he should steal it because its worth to steal for her to live.

It was short and honest, i could tell that she was really thinking about it, because she wasn't sure. I think if i asked her last year her answer would be 'no' because her thinking capacity has increased in this last year, she's learnt more socially and academically to know the choices, and to make them wisely.

This happens to every kid when all the basics learning is over, like how to cross the street, and how to tie your shoe, after all the rules have been learnt like: Don't run in the house etc, etc. But if you asked a 6-8yrld (depending on gender) what would you do if you had to run down stairs if there was a fire... well think about it? Some would say no... and some wouldn't know what to say. But ask a older child, and the answer is yes, because they're over the basics and can make appropriate decisions depending to the situation they're encountering.

We're moving towards human psychology here, my favorite subject ever.

For a 13 year old you are very interesting. Not like the brainwashed kids here, and not in a creepy way

Glorious90 · 10-01-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by abomufc108

can't really decide as i find religion quite useful in my social life

How do u find it useful? Please explain

Roo · 10-01-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Glorious90

For a 13 year old you are very interesting. Not like the brainwashed kids here, and not in a creepy way

Agreed + 1

MechaWolf · 10-01-2009, 11:18 PM

i dont want him to....

Maddi · 10-01-2009, 11:19 PM

Thank-you

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10-01-2009, 10:18 PM	#60 (permalink)
Vykk Draygo Forum Junkie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Gender: Male Posts: 3,683	Better off without religion? - No. People will find ways to hate each other no matter what. Sorry, to blame the worlds problem on religion is a copout (not that you did, just saying). Though I guess things would be a lot better if people kept their religious views and opinions to themselves. I certainly don't want some god-crazed guy preaching to me about how great 'god' is, and I definitely don't want some atheist nut getting all ticked off because he hates religion (yet he's doing the same exact thing [and yes, I do realize it's not a religion]). __________________

10-01-2009, 10:29 PM	#62 (permalink)
Joe_AFC Forum Regular Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: London Gender: Male Posts: 561	Yes we be better without religon __________________ Thanks for the sig Zzonked

10-01-2009, 10:30 PM	#63 (permalink)
Anthony EA Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The City Age: 14 Gender: Male Posts: 17,660	In some cases yes, and in some no. __________________ New Moon' TL The Decider - 22nd November Twitter

10-01-2009, 10:32 PM	#64 (permalink)
Maddi Forum Junkie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Emerald City Gender: Female Posts: 3,871 Blog Entries: 4	Religion. I believe religion does us justice sometimes in man kind, we need a figure to look up to, to be inspired by... Inspiration bring happiness and hope, which lifts spirits: Thus a happier community to live with/ be in. I don;t like religion i feel it demeans me in so many ways, and the people around me. I got to a catholic school, And 'god' 'christ' 'Jesus' means every think to them, and it means nothing to me. I don't want to leave my school, so i injure it. I avoid going to church, and my parents respect my decision and opinion towards it. So once i get out of my Catholic school... I'm not going to be a catholic any longer. Church on the other hand is great, for everyone. But me. Church brings together a well needed community in the area, beings people together in comfortable ways... people feel comforted by going to church because its sends out an vibe of community... I don't like church because the priest just makes me angry when he talks about God coming back and everything else about religion i find disturbing. I don't understand how people can believe that 'God' will come back some day... and thats all they have faith in, him coming back... The bible is a big story book filled with lies. I've learnt about the bible and how its been changed through tthe times to be more interesting. But its utterly ridiculous! A magical healing man will come back when the earth it at peace: A latterday saint came to my door once and told me this 'God will come back when there is peace, when babies can stick they're hand down a snake's hole and nor be bitten'... enough said. Its all rubbish from my point of view... I don't understand how people bring up there kids telling them there's no such thing as magic and then send them to a catholic school and expect them to understand that he will come back, that he healed a homless man's case of blindness, that he healed a broken leg with a touch of his hands. It gets a bit of course after a while... My view over religion is that, for people that want it; its there for them. But i don't want it, and NO one can make me. My version of religion: Enjoy the things we have now... Spend time with family and friends, make them happy to make yourself happy. All i want out of life, is to have a good one. To have supportive friends, a great family and a successful career... I want to travel the world, see the stars from the other side of the planet. My religion is just to have a good time, to be a successful person at every aspect, to just live life to the ultimate full. I don't want to worship anyone, i don't want to wait for him to come back, because i don't think its going to happen. My perspective on life is just to live it and do well, its also my version of religion. And a rational version. One that makes sense, one that has no flaws. We have science to back us up... But then what is there? Stephen Hawkings Big Bang theory, after everything he's learnt and been through... (He has muscular dystrophy by the way) after everything he's found about the universe, about the truth... its more than we as humans can handle. After all the hard ship he's been through with pnemonia he still believes in god. He quotes 'God does not play dice...' So if a man who knows so much, more than anyone in the world about the way we started, he still believes. That sometimes makes me wonder what exactly is anything then? Something so little in the universe, pieces of simple plain matter clashed together to form earth basically. But why is anything then... I'm sorry if I'm being to controversial. But i finally wrote it __________________ <3 Debi, Playing: COD Modern Warfare 2 devious?

10-01-2009, 09:56 PM	#51 (permalink)
Portsmouth123 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 286	No religion tells people to go to war, its all a mis interpretation of religion. Maybe oneday you will find out about some religions based on peace and equality.

10-01-2009, 10:08 PM	#54 (permalink)
Portsmouth123 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 286	Religion is something that most of you lack

10-01-2009, 10:13 PM	#58 (permalink)
Portsmouth123 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 286	yes it is. Your soul will not progress in the next world if you do not nurture it in this world. Do you want to be handicapped in the next world?

10-01-2009, 10:34 PM	#65 (permalink)
MizVoldemort Forum Guru Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Wombling it up (but not in Wimbledon) Age: 19 Gender: Female Posts: 1,927 Blog Entries: 2	You're free to choose damnation and hell. If you don't believe in it, then why should you strike to avoid it? Personally, I think religion is outdated. When it was brought about, there was a need to control people. Now, there isn't so much. Again, personally, I have a lot more respect for the person who is nice to their neighbour because it's the right thing to do, than the person who really wants to go and vandalise next door's new car, but doesn't because they're scared of a vengeful god. It's interesting that you bring up kids... A five year old only knows that stealing is wrong, because that is what mum's taught them. On Child of our Time (or another program with Robert Winston in :s) a few years ago they did an experiment. They gave an eight and a twelve year old the same question. There are a husband and a wife. The wife is dying of a rare disease, and the only medicine that can cure her is very expensive, and there is no way that they can afford it. Should the man steal the medicine from the doctors to save his wife, or not? The majority of eight year olds answered no, stealing is wrong, whereas the older kids tended go go more along the lines of stealing the medicine. Interesting, isn't it? Looking back, I think I understand why, as a kid I would say I was Christian (my parents weren't, but the community was), until one day my year seven RE teacher (who was a legend) asked the class to put their hand up if they were Christian... and then asked people to keep their hands up if they actually believed in God. Made me actually think. Anyway, who told your parents that killing was wrong? And who told their parents that it was wrong? And so on. No one can say for sure where the laws come from, but my guess would be from religion to some extent at least. Whether we need that today... that's debatable. It kind of ties in with the respect issue I mensioned above... saying I wouldn't respect someone who was good because they feared hell, I would rather not be the victim of, say, a stabbing, and rather that this person decided not to murder me incase they went to hell. __________________ attempts at art, poetry and prose Geektastic. Last edited by MizVoldemort; 10-01-2009 at 10:39 PM..

10-01-2009, 11:08 PM	#67 (permalink)
Glorious90 Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norway, you know, where the Vikings lived Age: 19 Gender: Male Posts: 3,469	@Madzor If you are really 13 years old, you deserve a medal. Any 13 year old around here that could write that on a computer would be a genious @Roo and Voldemort I see both of your points, but I just can't help but leaning more towards Roo here. I have seen so much idiot behaviour brought on by religious beliefs, that I can't help but feeling we would be better without. And about who tought us what, I don't think that we ever needed religion to tell us what or what not to do. We may be superb as animals, but we are still animals, and we we're born with instincts as every other animal, and our parents thought us what we were not born with. They teach us, like a lionesse teaches her cubs, that water is dangerous, because we can not swim yet, they teach their cubs to hunt, as my mon teaches me to make my own breakfast and so on, I think you get where I am going. It is not for the good of our secies to kill each other, and we wouldnt if not for all the things we ourselves have created that would make us kill. In the stone age, we would maybe kill each other, but then it was for precious food, or hunting territory, now we kill each other for what? Money, envy, beliefs, opportunity. Things that would not matter if we weren't as spoiled as we are.

10-01-2009, 11:11 PM	#68 (permalink)
Maddi Forum Junkie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Emerald City Gender: Female Posts: 3,871 Blog Entries: 4	What miss Voldemort said about the stealing is very interesting, I've read about this and it striked me as extreamly interesting, i went to investigate... My opinion for that conversation: Yes, he should steal the medicine. Because his wifes life means more than a trying to be a good catholic by not stealing. If she has any chance of living, use it. My sister has a similar answer, she's 9: Yes he should steal it because its worth to steal for her to live. It was short and honest, i could tell that she was really thinking about it, because she wasn't sure. I think if i asked her last year her answer would be 'no' because her thinking capacity has increased in this last year, she's learnt more socially and academically to know the choices, and to make them wisely. This happens to every kid when all the basics learning is over, like how to cross the street, and how to tie your shoe, after all the rules have been learnt like: Don't run in the house etc, etc. But if you asked a 6-8yrld (depending on gender) what would you do if you had to run down stairs if there was a fire... well think about it? Some would say no... and some wouldn't know what to say. But ask a older child, and the answer is yes, because they're over the basics and can make appropriate decisions depending to the situation they're encountering. We're moving towards human psychology here, my favorite subject ever. __________________ <3 Debi, Playing: COD Modern Warfare 2 devious?

10-01-2009, 11:13 PM	#70 (permalink)
abomufc108 Elite Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spermatozoa City Posts: 5,197 Blog Entries: 4	can't really decide as i find religion quite useful in my social life __________________ R.I.P Robert Enke

10-01-2009, 11:18 PM	#74 (permalink)
MechaWolf Forum Guru Join Date: May 2008 Location: Outer Haven Age: 15 Gender: Male Posts: 2,066	i dont want him to.... __________________ Call me wolf.

10-01-2009, 11:19 PM	#75 (permalink)
Maddi Forum Junkie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Emerald City Gender: Female Posts: 3,871 Blog Entries: 4	Thank-you __________________ <3 Debi, Playing: COD Modern Warfare 2 devious?