Religion, would we be better off without it? - Page 26

AyrshireDon · 04-11-2009, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFC_LukeCarter

I think this should be moved to the Voting Booth seens as though it has a poll in it.

If the debate is very good then they generally don't move it as the polls just a little extra.

MFC_LukeCarter · 04-11-2009, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyrshireDon

If the debate is very good then they generally don't move it as the polls just a little extra.

The boxing thread didnt even get a chance for debate?

You have to go to some spartan wasteland to read about other sports on here.

AyrshireDon · 05-11-2009, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFC_LukeCarter

The boxing thread didnt even get a chance for debate?

You have to go to some spartan wasteland to read about other sports on here.

hehe lol

benqbiggis · 05-11-2009, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Ok, teach me genius

what are the different stages of evolution that we gone trough before being like today, and what are we going to be... or are our evolving stopped??

Don't underestimate my knowledges maaaan... I know what's evolution..

you dont know exactly what's evolution

neanderthalensis or rhodesiensis were physically stronger and faster than current humans (sapiens) but in counter part sapiens are more intelligent than them

why ???

because in that time neanderthals or rhodesiensis needed to use much more their muscles to hunt animals and get away from predators

and what about now ?..... nobody needs to hunt or do anything like that we use by miles more our brain than muscles

another example

some people dont have any more wisdom teeth or have only 2 instead of 4
in a near future nobody will have them anymore
because they're useless for us

arm hairs , leg hairs etc... are useless as well
in a near future we wont have them anymore
since we use clothes

hardly you'll see a polar bear without hairs

natural selection wont evolute them to this because they'd die

why being a bit fat is not an advantage for us ?

because we dont need anymore energy reserve like polar bear for example
we dont take a long time to eat
we have supermarkets and refrigerators (way easy to get food)

for bears energy reserve is extremely healthy for us is extremely bad

SunburnedPenguin · 05-11-2009, 06:50 AM

Fido fido fido. How did I know you would be a Bill Hicks man? The guys a genius!

I thought those quotes were very fitting and lightened the thread, until... Noooo no jokes, this is not a place for humour!

Anyhoo.

These kinds of debates only work if everyone is respectful, saying you think someone is an idiot is unfair. Zealot maybe, but idiot is unfair. Having such faith doesnt really make someone stupid - just thicker skulled

FootFingers · 05-11-2009, 07:28 AM

i dont have a religion.
i think that you shouldn't look up to anyone who isn't really giving you guidence. people may "look up" to god for the answers, but do they ever get a reply? no. they make their decisions based off of their emotions. just like the people who don't belive in religion except we skip the part of dedicating our lives to someone or something that has yet to be proven real.

i like how religion gives people hope for something. i only put hope in myself and those i love. sorry, i like to be slapped in the face in the things im beliving in.

religion does hope to deal with grief as we say life and death is in gods hands. but i still see that as flawed. i don't belive in god, but god still controls on if i live or die? no. i could go get a gun and pull the trigger within under 4 mins and that was gods choice? no. that is my decision. only mine.
there are way too many people suffering in the world for there to be a god.
theres too many deaths and too many arguements over religion. **** that.

p.s.
i love you sunburned.

nzgangster · 05-11-2009, 07:37 AM

Well life is a test... And it is up to us to pass. God knows all so therefore knows the future so therefore can control it right?

FootFingers · 05-11-2009, 07:41 AM

except he doesn't control it.
mostly due to the fact that he doesn't exist.

if you belive it in, thats great for you to have something to look foward to when you die and what you do in your life now.
but i'll be happy refertalizing the earth 6ft under rotting in the ground. i look foward to tommorow. not my death and goign to a place that a invisible. make your life now your heaven, not when you die. because you're going to have a crappy life only to just lie down in the ground when you die.

SunburnedPenguin · 05-11-2009, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nzgangster

Well life is a test... And it is up to us to pass. God knows all so therefore knows the future so therefore can control it right?

If God controls everything, then he controls the fact that many many people are moving away from religion. Why would he do that?

FootFingers · 05-11-2009, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunburnedPenguin

If God controls everything, then he controls the fact that many many people are moving away from religion. Why would he do that?

hes obvously an attention slut.

benqbiggis · 05-11-2009, 08:14 AM

remind me a while ago when a guy said that god doesnt approve g%a#ys
however another guy said that if god created everything he also created them
so why he'd be against g%a&ys ?

FootFingers · 05-11-2009, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benqbiggis

remind me a while ago when a guy said that god doesnt approve g%a#ys
however another guy said that if god created everything he also created them
so why he'd be against g%a&ys ?

once again. god loves the attention.
other people do it to. munipulate people into looking up to them. but they get caught and forced into treatment. gods just sneaky about it.

nzgangster · 05-11-2009, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunburnedPenguin

If God controls everything, then he controls the fact that many many people are moving away from religion. Why would he do that?

because life is a test. He gave us free will for that reason.

---------------- Now playing: Gin Wigmore - Oh My God via FoxyTunes

SunburnedPenguin · 05-11-2009, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nzgangster

because life is a test. He gave us free will for that reason.

Which completely contradicts the idea that he controls everything. So which is it...free will or a god who controls everything? You cant have both it seems, but most religions contradict themselves on this.

King-Osgood-1690 · 05-11-2009, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benqbiggis

remind me a while ago when a guy said that god doesnt approve g%a#ys
however another guy said that if god created everything he also created them
so why he'd be against g%a&ys ?

"God" it seems doesn't have anything against anyone.

Clergy on the other hand, well they're the most hate filled bunch on the planet

o-_FidoFido_-o · 05-11-2009, 02:05 PM

I say: if there is a divine plan and we're all part of it and God is truly omniscient and knows what he's doing...

Why do they protest abortion? Clearly it was all meant to happen.
Not bad enough? Next up: The Holocaust.

Yeah, if you believe in a divine plan you're believing in the wrong kind of God. Or you're reacting completely incorrectly to the world, at the very least. I'd be more of a "go with it" kind of person because no matter what you could possibly do, God has written it down in his great Book of Destiny.

Slightly more logical religions are easier to tolerate and don't bother me much.

o-_FidoFido_-o · 05-11-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunburnedPenguin

Fido fido fido. How did I know you would be a Bill Hicks man? The guys a genius!

If I were to write an autobiography my "Works Consulted" would just list Frank Zappa and Bill Hicks. Pretty much everything I do or think is based off one of their opinions. Or it's possible I already thought that way and discovering them sort of delineated my thought process. But I'm pretty sure at one point I was a religious Catholic boy.

benqbiggis · 05-11-2009, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nzgangster

because life is a test. He gave us free will for that reason.

---------------- Now playing: Gin Wigmore - Oh My God via FoxyTunes

so god doesnt control everything

free will = no controlling

View Poll Results: Would we be better off without religion?
Yes, religion is a source of conflict	62	47.69%
No, mankind need religions	44	33.85%
Maybe, hard to tell	24	18.46%
Voters: 130. You may not vote on this poll

05-11-2009, 07:37 AM	#632 (permalink)
nzgangster EA Veteran Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New Zealand. Gender: Private Posts: 12,195 Blog Entries: 1	Well life is a test... And it is up to us to pass. God knows all so therefore knows the future so therefore can control it right? __________________ TXV was here “Sometimes football can be cruel, but you have to keep going, you have to keep belief" In Rafa We Trust RIP Debi

05-11-2009, 08:14 AM	#636 (permalink)
benqbiggis EA Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11,978	remind me a while ago when a guy said that god doesnt approve g%a#ys however another guy said that if god created everything he also created them so why he'd be against g%a&ys ? __________________

05-11-2009, 02:05 PM	#641 (permalink)
o-_FidoFido_-o Elite Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: US Gender: Male Posts: 5,600	I say: if there is a divine plan and we're all part of it and God is truly omniscient and knows what he's doing... Why do they protest abortion? Clearly it was all meant to happen. Not bad enough? Next up: The Holocaust. Yeah, if you believe in a divine plan you're believing in the wrong kind of God. Or you're reacting completely incorrectly to the world, at the very least. I'd be more of a "go with it" kind of person because no matter what you could possibly do, God has written it down in his great Book of Destiny. Slightly more logical religions are easier to tolerate and don't bother me much. __________________

05-11-2009, 06:50 AM	#630 (permalink)
SunburnedPenguin Forum Guru Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cardiff UK Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 1,514	Fido fido fido. How did I know you would be a Bill Hicks man? The guys a genius! I thought those quotes were very fitting and lightened the thread, until... Noooo no jokes, this is not a place for humour! Anyhoo. These kinds of debates only work if everyone is respectful, saying you think someone is an idiot is unfair. Zealot maybe, but idiot is unfair. Having such faith doesnt really make someone stupid - just thicker skulled

05-11-2009, 07:28 AM	#631 (permalink)
FootFingers Forum Junkie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: In the Mountains. Age: 19 Gender: Female Posts: 3,915	i dont have a religion. i think that you shouldn't look up to anyone who isn't really giving you guidence. people may "look up" to god for the answers, but do they ever get a reply? no. they make their decisions based off of their emotions. just like the people who don't belive in religion except we skip the part of dedicating our lives to someone or something that has yet to be proven real. i like how religion gives people hope for something. i only put hope in myself and those i love. sorry, i like to be slapped in the face in the things im beliving in. religion does hope to deal with grief as we say life and death is in gods hands. but i still see that as flawed. i don't belive in god, but god still controls on if i live or die? no. i could go get a gun and pull the trigger within under 4 mins and that was gods choice? no. that is my decision. only mine. there are way too many people suffering in the world for there to be a god. theres too many deaths and too many arguements over religion. **** that. p.s. i love you sunburned.

05-11-2009, 07:41 AM	#633 (permalink)
FootFingers Forum Junkie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: In the Mountains. Age: 19 Gender: Female Posts: 3,915	except he doesn't control it. mostly due to the fact that he doesn't exist. if you belive it in, thats great for you to have something to look foward to when you die and what you do in your life now. but i'll be happy refertalizing the earth 6ft under rotting in the ground. i look foward to tommorow. not my death and goign to a place that a invisible. make your life now your heaven, not when you die. because you're going to have a crappy life only to just lie down in the ground when you die.