school and UNI shootings in the USA (right to bare arms ridiculous!!)

skinjim · 15-02-2008, 08:15 PM

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Illinois student killer is named

this is getting stupid now why havent the americans learnt somehting from this and made an amendment in their constitution to get rid of the right to bare arms. I am not slating the americans but this law makes no sense no one goes shooting students in britain.

If anyone has seen bowling for columbine by michael moore you'll know what im talking about.

Phll363 · 15-02-2008, 10:04 PM

how many more incidents like this have to happen befor the american goverment does somethin'? it seems to be every month now that this happens.

zzwampen · 15-02-2008, 10:17 PM

5 this week

Scarffo · 15-02-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by skinjim123

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Illinois student killer is named

this is getting stupid now why havent the americans learnt somehting from this and made an amendment in their constitution to get rid of the right to bare arms. I am not slating the americans but this law makes no sense no one goes shooting students in britain.

If anyone has seen bowling for columbine by michael moore you'll know what im talking about.

Actually, a good 100 or so shootings have occured in Britain since January 2007. But I agree, the americans aren't helping anyone here. Why not just ban firearms?

zzwampen · 15-02-2008, 10:48 PM

lol...in 2004 36.5 % of americans reported that they had a gun in their home....but it's an improvement, in the 1970's and 1980's 50 % of americans had a gun in their home

....

here's a question to the americans on this forum: do you have a gun in your home, or have you ever had a gun in your home?

|Ares| · 15-02-2008, 10:48 PM

The criminals still get illegal weapons and then get to shoot at civilians who can't defend themselves. That's the problem. The other is that the U.S. is a much bigger country than the U.K. and easier to smuggle goods in since we have two land borders.

zzwampen · 15-02-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoonerCesc

The criminals still get illegal weapons and then get to shoot at civilians who can't defend themselves. That's the problem. The other is that the U.S. is a much bigger country than the U.K. and easier to smuggle goods in since we have two land borders.

so you think it's better that everybody carried guns so that if a criminal points a gun at them they can shoot him instead?

|Ares| · 15-02-2008, 10:53 PM

So in your mind it's better to have criminals have free reign on innocent civilians?

lilmidgeb · 15-02-2008, 10:54 PM

unfortunatly guns are tolerated in america not as they are here

we banned them when we realised they could kill people and so SOME degree of harm. Pretty ovious

me thinks americans are behind the times

zzwampen · 15-02-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GoonerCesc

So in your mind it's better to have criminals have free reign on innocent civilians?

i don't think that there would be big massacres every week if they would have less liberal gun laws, quite the opposite...i mean i'd rather see some small robberies than that everybody ran around shooting everyone...and every western country does quite good (better than the usa) without every citizen carrying a gun...just look

|Ares| · 15-02-2008, 11:04 PM

The gun homicide rate for the U.S. doesn't look too bad considering it's greater size than those other counties listed. How come the U.K. isn't on there?

zzwampen · 15-02-2008, 11:05 PM

it's per 100 000 inhabitants...so you can't blame the big population this time...

|Ares| · 15-02-2008, 11:06 PM

It's relative, if we have 300 million citizens and we have more gun homicides than a country of lesser size, than it's not as bad as the U.S. is the largest country on that chart.

zzwampen · 15-02-2008, 11:11 PM

it's still a very high rate for a western country...i mean almost all the other countries on that chart with high gun homocide rate are not very developed or democratical

godsend · 15-02-2008, 11:14 PM

Doesn't it say in the American Constitution "carry arms against aggressors" or something like that... not just to carry arms and shoot at anyone

zzwampen · 15-02-2008, 11:18 PM

so?...of course it doesn't say you should shoot everybody...but don't you think that there's a higher chance of someone actually killing another person if two people were having a minor fight or something if both people were carrying guns, than if they weren't?

zzwampen · 15-02-2008, 11:23 PM

my grandfather who lived in the usa for 10 years or something said that he also had a gun once...I asked him why. And he just said "don't know, because everybody had one" i think that's just wrong...

godsend · 15-02-2008, 11:44 PM

Ive stopped a ricochet from a bullet which smashed a piece of masonary that hit me and that bruised me through my body shell...so i guess getting a FMJ would be agony.Seeing someone being hit is traumatising and scary especially in a war situation,where you would expect to encounter it,but going to school or college and it happens there, that makes me sick with worry....it upsets me to think this can happen at anytime to you kids growing up today...even in the Army ,its scary firing live rounds at targets when you know the implications of what you training for...i dont have any fight in me now

zzwampen · 15-02-2008, 11:59 PM

exactly, that's my point...it's bad enough that weapons are used to "liberate" other countries...but we are always going to have wars...the thing that the government can do is to try to reduce the firearm related homocides by controlling the possession of guns and make it illegal

godsend · 16-02-2008, 12:18 AM

In the USA that will never happen as they produce tons of weapons and munitions each year,just look at Blackwater they rely on government contracts and supply weapons,machinery and personell etc and im sure they have plenty of "mercenaries" working over there as private contractors, ex military guys protecting certain interests of Dubya's pals and family.

Spidery Yoda · 16-02-2008, 12:30 AM

There was a huge discussion on a forum I was on a while ago, where at least half the posters were american, and they just couldn't understand.

"How can we defend ourself against other people and our government" seemed to be their argument, and they seemed quite scared by the thought of not being able to own a gun. It's insane.

zzwampen · 16-02-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by zzwampen

5 this week

actually it's 6

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Notre Dame Elementary shooting Portsmouth, Ohio, United States
February 7, 2008

Louisiana Technical College shooting Baton Rouge, LA, United States
February 8, 2008

Mitchell High School shooting Memphis, TN, United States
February 11, 2008

E.O. Green Junior High School shooting Oxnard, CA, United States
February 12, 2008

McNair High School shooting Atlanta, GA, United States
February 12, 2008

Northern Illinois University shooting DeKalb, Illinois, United States
February 14, 2008

Y R U so Chunky · 16-02-2008, 12:35 AM

Population control.

I immdiately apologize, I did not mean that.

But please, worry about your own countries.

There are flaws in alot of countries concerning laws and rights.

zzwampen · 16-02-2008, 12:48 AM

yes and the americans sure stay out of other countries

and maybe we don't have anything to worry about

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15-02-2008, 08:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
skinjim Forum Guru Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: wales Age: 18 Posts: 1,544	school and UNI shootings in the USA (right to bare arms ridiculous!!) BBC NEWS \| World \| Americas \| Illinois student killer is named this is getting stupid now why havent the americans learnt somehting from this and made an amendment in their constitution to get rid of the right to bare arms. I am not slating the americans but this law makes no sense no one goes shooting students in britain. If anyone has seen bowling for columbine by michael moore you'll know what im talking about. Last edited by skinjim; 15-02-2008 at 08:45 PM..

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Phll363 EA Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: in bed (i wish) gender:male Age: 20 Gender: Male Posts: 11,743	how many more incidents like this have to happen befor the american goverment does somethin'? it seems to be every month now that this happens. __________________

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zzwampen EA Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 14,712	5 this week __________________ Djurgården teaches Juventus how to play football.

15-02-2008, 10:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
zzwampen EA Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 14,712	lol...in 2004 36.5 % of americans reported that they had a gun in their home....but it's an improvement, in the 1970's and 1980's 50 % of americans had a gun in their home .... here's a question to the americans on this forum: do you have a gun in your home, or have you ever had a gun in your home? __________________ Djurgården teaches Juventus how to play football.

15-02-2008, 10:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
lilmidgeb Forum Guru Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Doing my homework. Apparently. Age: 15 Gender: Female Posts: 2,064	unfortunatly guns are tolerated in america not as they are here we banned them when we realised they could kill people and so SOME degree of harm. Pretty ovious me thinks americans are behind the times __________________ Call me Bridget

15-02-2008, 10:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
\|Ares\| Forum Guru Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,117	The criminals still get illegal weapons and then get to shoot at civilians who can't defend themselves. That's the problem. The other is that the U.S. is a much bigger country than the U.K. and easier to smuggle goods in since we have two land borders.

15-02-2008, 10:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
\|Ares\| Forum Guru Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,117	So in your mind it's better to have criminals have free reign on innocent civilians?

15-02-2008, 11:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
\|Ares\| Forum Guru Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,117	The gun homicide rate for the U.S. doesn't look too bad considering it's greater size than those other counties listed. How come the U.K. isn't on there?

15-02-2008, 11:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
zzwampen EA Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 14,712	it's per 100 000 inhabitants...so you can't blame the big population this time... __________________ Djurgården teaches Juventus how to play football.

15-02-2008, 11:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
\|Ares\| Forum Guru Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,117	It's relative, if we have 300 million citizens and we have more gun homicides than a country of lesser size, than it's not as bad as the U.S. is the largest country on that chart.

15-02-2008, 11:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
zzwampen EA Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 14,712	it's still a very high rate for a western country...i mean almost all the other countries on that chart with high gun homocide rate are not very developed or democratical __________________ Djurgården teaches Juventus how to play football.

15-02-2008, 11:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
godsend Forum Guru Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: still in the 80's when life was simple and so was i Posts: 1,458	Doesn't it say in the American Constitution "carry arms against aggressors" or something like that... not just to carry arms and shoot at anyone __________________ Yeah im old,so what

15-02-2008, 11:18 PM	#16 (permalink)
zzwampen EA Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 14,712	so?...of course it doesn't say you should shoot everybody...but don't you think that there's a higher chance of someone actually killing another person if two people were having a minor fight or something if both people were carrying guns, than if they weren't? __________________ Djurgården teaches Juventus how to play football. Last edited by zzwampen; 15-02-2008 at 11:20 PM..

15-02-2008, 11:23 PM	#17 (permalink)
zzwampen EA Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 14,712	my grandfather who lived in the usa for 10 years or something said that he also had a gun once...I asked him why. And he just said "don't know, because everybody had one" i think that's just wrong... __________________ Djurgården teaches Juventus how to play football.

15-02-2008, 11:44 PM	#18 (permalink)
godsend Forum Guru Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: still in the 80's when life was simple and so was i Posts: 1,458	Ive stopped a ricochet from a bullet which smashed a piece of masonary that hit me and that bruised me through my body shell...so i guess getting a FMJ would be agony.Seeing someone being hit is traumatising and scary especially in a war situation,where you would expect to encounter it,but going to school or college and it happens there, that makes me sick with worry....it upsets me to think this can happen at anytime to you kids growing up today...even in the Army ,its scary firing live rounds at targets when you know the implications of what you training for...i dont have any fight in me now __________________ Yeah im old,so what

15-02-2008, 11:59 PM	#19 (permalink)
zzwampen EA Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 14,712	exactly, that's my point...it's bad enough that weapons are used to "liberate" other countries...but we are always going to have wars...the thing that the government can do is to try to reduce the firearm related homocides by controlling the possession of guns and make it illegal __________________ Djurgården teaches Juventus how to play football.

16-02-2008, 12:18 AM	#20 (permalink)
godsend Forum Guru Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: still in the 80's when life was simple and so was i Posts: 1,458	In the USA that will never happen as they produce tons of weapons and munitions each year,just look at Blackwater they rely on government contracts and supply weapons,machinery and personell etc and im sure they have plenty of "mercenaries" working over there as private contractors, ex military guys protecting certain interests of Dubya's pals and family. __________________ Yeah im old,so what

16-02-2008, 12:30 AM	#21 (permalink)
Spidery Yoda Forum Guru Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 19 Posts: 1,266	There was a huge discussion on a forum I was on a while ago, where at least half the posters were american, and they just couldn't understand. "How can we defend ourself against other people and our government" seemed to be their argument, and they seemed quite scared by the thought of not being able to own a gun. It's insane.

16-02-2008, 12:35 AM	#23 (permalink)
Y R U so Chunky Elite Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chunkyville Posts: 8,275	Population control. I immdiately apologize, I did not mean that. But please, worry about your own countries. There are flaws in alot of countries concerning laws and rights. __________________ Last edited by Y R U so Chunky; 16-02-2008 at 12:38 AM..

16-02-2008, 12:48 AM	#24 (permalink)
zzwampen EA Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 14,712	yes and the americans sure stay out of other countries and maybe we don't have anything to worry about ... __________________ Djurgården teaches Juventus how to play football.