London: Tuition fees tripled.

[I_Hate_Errors]

just saw it in TV yesterday and saw the protests and all the stuff... shame on your government really.. they pay billions in rediculous stuff and refuse to pay for education...

[AyrshireDon]

Originally Posted by I_Hate_Errors

just saw it in TV yesterday and saw the protests and all the stuff... shame on your government really.. they pay billions in rediculous stuff and refuse to pay for education...

Have you actually read into it? I don't agree with the size increase but it has to happen us that work can't bear all the weight of the cuts and tax rises. The students don't have to pay it of straight away either only if they earn over a certain figure. Tuition fees in Scotland are free.............................................. ..........................................

ps remember this is further education primary and secodary school is free in the UK.

[Nutter]

Have a look at Aus. Some people go to uni and come out with a $10,000+ hex debt. Ready st start a job and you have a loan to pay off. Ha!!!

[nathanthorson]

Originally Posted by Nutter

Have a look at Aus. Some people go to uni and come out with a $10,000+ hex debt. Ready st start a job and you have a loan to pay off. Ha!!!

Thats why i didnt go to uni. That and only just passing my HSC.

[MizVoldemort]

I'm already facing £28,000 of debt after my degree (thanks to doing a 4 year course, with an unpaid sandwich year). My family have never struggled much with money (we're on economy loo roll, but always meet the bills), and that scares me. I can imagine that the £50,000 fees mark would be pretty damn off-putting to someone who knows what real debt is like. I've only really just come to terms with how much debt I'm really in: I've just gotten my first permanent part time job and working hours that are screwing with my degree in order to eat (maintenance loan only just covers the rent and bills, and my parents can't help much with the food/ general living costs).


Moreover, it doesn't make sense to me. There must be people out there who won't pay the full loan off - if they take a career break to have kids, don't earn above the new minimum level, or can't work because of illness (if my mother had paid fees, she'd have fallen under all of these), regardless of the time you have to pay it raising to 30 years.

So, the government are cutting funding to the Universities, making the students pay. Most students can't, so have to get loans from the government... loans that a few won't end up paying back... Correct me if I'm wrong but it just seems like a huge circle of debt :s


They like to quote statistics of how much higher graduate wages are, but I do wonder how much of that is pulled up by the lucky few. The business men and women who hit it big in the boom and made millions, whereas the rest of us may have a career that we're happy with/ needed a piece of paper to get, but aren't earning that much more than the average for those who left at A Levels.


It's a bit much really - the people making the policies got their education for free, and may be able to pay for their children's education with only a marginal dent in the bank balance, but really, is it fair that the generation who got the country into such financial trouble foist it off on their children to try and repair the damage?

[AyrshireDon]

Originally Posted by MizVoldemort

It's a bit much really - the people making the policies got their education for free, and may be able to pay for their children's education with only a marginal dent in the bank balance, but really, is it fair that the generation who got the country into such financial trouble foist it off on their children to try and repair the damage?

No its not fair but its not fair at the same time us who aren't students that are working having to pay increaed taxs and lots of job loss. Students have to take their share in helping drop the debt But 3 times is way way too much that I agree with.

[Nutter]

Originally Posted by nathanthorson

Thats why i didnt go to uni. That and only just passing my HSC.

I know what you mean. I did a trade and I've never had any debt so far in my life. Everything I learnt through TAFE was paid for by the businesses, and I was working while learning. In my opinion going to Uni to get further along, yet not having a job seems like a really screwed up way of getting ahead.

What happens if you didn't like the course, what about if the course was cancelled in the second year, what about if you couldn't get a job after? Least with a trade you're safe in that respects and my courses were all under $1,000 a year and Tax deductible because it was a job requirement.

[Im A Gold Ninja]

Well fees NEED to be raised with very important causes like this coming up

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[Deza007]

Originally Posted by AyrshireDon

Have you actually read into it? I don't agree with the size increase but it has to happen us that work can't bear all the weight of the cuts and tax rises. The students don't have to pay it of straight away either only if they earn over a certain figure. Tuition fees in Scotland are free.............................................. ..........................................

ps remember this is further education primary and secodary school is free in the UK.

I'll think I'll go scotland for my university placement then

[Luxz0rz]

Originally Posted by Nutter

Have a look at Aus. Some people go to uni and come out with a $10,000+ hex debt. Ready st start a job and you have a loan to pay off. Ha!!!

You should see some people I know in America.....it's like $44,000 a year

But yeah I actually want the fees to go up. I hate the education system and regret even going to college...so obviously I'm not going uni.

If I'm not at uni, then it's not my problem.....so if other people are paying more to the government than me then I'm happy with that

[AyrshireDon]

Originally Posted by Deza007

I'll think I'll go scotland for my university placement then

Why not some of the best Unis in the country.

[MizVoldemort]

Originally Posted by AyrshireDon

No its not fair but its not fair at the same time us who aren't students that are working having to pay increaed taxs and lots of job loss. Students have to take their share in helping drop the debt But 3 times is way way too much that I agree with.

Aye, but the people who go to Uni still pay the taxes; even though they may not work for three years ,the fact that graduates tend to earn higher than those who started working after A Levels/ GCSEs means that they're going to pay more taxes in their lifetime anyway.

To be honest, I wouldn't have minded a small hike in tuition fees (well, I'd have complained, but not been angry) but yes, £9000 (plus for some institutions) is too much.


Edit: on the Scotland point, I thought it was only the Scottish students who got away with no tuition fees, and if English students went to a Scottish Uni they still had to pay?

[Skyllo30]

Originally Posted by Deza007

I'll think I'll go scotland for my university placement then

Non-Scots have to pay, although it's not as much as it is in the rest of the UK. Medicine is nearly £3000 but everything else is about £1800 a year.

Yes, the average graduate salary is pulled up by those that become bankers and barristers. There's plenty of people with degrees stacking shelves in supermarkets.

This is my last year of fees, thankfully (NHS pay the last two years), but it'll affect my youngest brother if he decides to go to university.

Increasing fees is going to cost the government more than continuing to fund universities would, due to the interest, as MizVoldemort said.

On the one bright side, maybe it'd put off people that go to university "because everyone else is" and end up doing a degree they don't like and not being any better off for it.

[SaintsGirl]

Originally Posted by Deza007

I'll think I'll go scotland for my university placement then

Correct me if I am wrong,but I think it is only people who are born in Scotland that don't have to pay.

[SaintsGirl]

Originally Posted by Skyllo30

Non-Scots have to pay, although it's not as much as it is in the rest of the UK. Medicine is nearly £3000 but everything else is about £1800 a year.

Yes, the average graduate salary is pulled up by those that become bankers and barristers. There's plenty of people with degrees stacking shelves in supermarkets.

This is my last year of fees, thankfully (NHS pay the last two years), but it'll affect my youngest brother if he decides to go to university.

Increasing fees is going to cost the government more than continuing to fund universities would, due to the interest, as MizVoldemort said.

On the one bright side, maybe it'd put off people that go to university "because everyone else is" and end up doing a degree they don't like and not being any better off for it.

Don't student nurses/doctors get help paying for their university study?

[Deza007]

Originally Posted by Skyllo30

Non-Scots have to pay, although it's not as much as it is in the rest of the UK. Medicine is nearly £3000 but everything else is about £1800 a year.

Yes, the average graduate salary is pulled up by those that become bankers and barristers. There's plenty of people with degrees stacking shelves in supermarkets.

This is my last year of fees, thankfully (NHS pay the last two years), but it'll affect my youngest brother if he decides to go to university.

Increasing fees is going to cost the government more than continuing to fund universities would, due to the interest, as MizVoldemort said.

On the one bright side, maybe it'd put off people that go to university "because everyone else is" and end up doing a degree they don't like and not being any better off for it.

Hmmm.... So no free medical in scotland?
Still, £1800 pounds is around the price it costs to go to college for a year here in the UK.

[peverill]

It needed to be sorted and labour would have done similar. Its all well and good the lib dems saying no rise in tuition fees in their campaign but in reality they cant live up to their promises. If you was stupid enough to believe in what they said and voted for them maybe this will encourage you to monitor more closely at party manifesto's in the future

[BLaZiNgSPEED]

Not a problem for me.
I am currently doing my 2nd years BA Hons in Graphic Design and Illustratrion.
My 3rd final year starts from September 2011 when it will still cost around £3000-£4000.

I'll graduate by May/June 2012, thus escaping the £9000 yearly tuition fees.
The only way I'll be forced to pay 9K is if I fail either my 2nd or 3rd year of Uni in the next 2 years ending me to retake again either 2nd or 3rd year.
Or if I do a post-graduate/Masters degree after that. In which case I wouldn't do that anytime soon.

I don't think that would happen since I am extra serious. In the worst case scenario it would be that I retake my failed projects in the summers.
I have yet to fail a project this year. Still too early for me to say though. But I got to be adament otherwise lack of confidence would result in self punishment.

I've been so serious recently that I've been cutting my game hours substantially as well. Just to make sure that there isn't any of the slightest of doubts that I'll flop in one area or the other. The last 2-3 weeks I've been playing just couple of hours. This way I'll keep up with my other project works and filling up sketchbooks. Rather than leaving them till the end, which ofcourse would be more stressful.

Personally I don't think I would pay 9K a year for a subject like Graphic Design/Illustration or any other related art degree no matter how passionate I may be for these subject areas (unless I did it in some top University like Oxford or Cambridge). It's not worth it and at the end of the day the salary that you'll be getting from these professions won't be high enough to even pay out those loans.

That's 27 thousand pounds in 3 years for a student starting from 2012 onwards. I would only pay that sum if it was for Law/medicine/chemistry/biology or for a top 5 ranked University. Any of the other subjects and I would have to think twice.

Glad I managed to get in Uni on time though, that's a huge relief! I wouldn't even mind paying £5000 a year. But £9000 is just way too much. I am sure quite a few people won't apply for University in 2012.

[indie-bhoy]

Originally Posted by MizVoldemort

I'm already facing £28,000 of debt after my degree (thanks to doing a 4 year course, with an unpaid sandwich year). My family have never struggled much with money (we're on economy loo roll, but always meet the bills), and that scares me. I can imagine that the £50,000 fees mark would be pretty damn off-putting to someone who knows what real debt is like. I've only really just come to terms with how much debt I'm really in: I've just gotten my first permanent part time job and working hours that are screwing with my degree in order to eat (maintenance loan only just covers the rent and bills, and my parents can't help much with the food/ general living costs).


Moreover, it doesn't make sense to me. There must be people out there who won't pay the full loan off - if they take a career break to have kids, don't earn above the new minimum level, or can't work because of illness (if my mother had paid fees, she'd have fallen under all of these), regardless of the time you have to pay it raising to 30 years.

So, the government are cutting funding to the Universities, making the students pay. Most students can't, so have to get loans from the government... loans that a few won't end up paying back... Correct me if I'm wrong but it just seems like a huge circle of debt :s


They like to quote statistics of how much higher graduate wages are, but I do wonder how much of that is pulled up by the lucky few. The business men and women who hit it big in the boom and made millions, whereas the rest of us may have a career that we're happy with/ needed a piece of paper to get, but aren't earning that much more than the average for those who left at A Levels.


It's a bit much really - the people making the policies got their education for free, and may be able to pay for their children's education with only a marginal dent in the bank balance, but really, is it fair that the generation who got the country into such financial trouble foist it off on their children to try and repair the damage?

Honest to God this is scary how un-standardised(don't even think that is a word.) it is in the UK. We are same age and I am in my last year at uni (4th), yet I don't think my debt is over £5,000.

[Deza007]

The military approached my friend, and for a few years of service they offered to pay off his student loan for him.

[MizVoldemort]

Originally Posted by indie-bhoy

Honest to God this is scary how un-standardised(don't even think that is a word.) it is in the UK. We are same age and I am in my last year at uni (4th), yet I don't think my debt is over £5,000.

How have you managed that? o.O

Most people I know here not only have their loans from the government maxed out, but are also at the bottom of their £2000 overdraft (though I'm quite proud that I've never gone into mine^^) thanks to my city being pretty much second to London with accommodation costs.

[captainmeme]

To be honest, this is to be expected. The government has to make cuts, so they make it where it will only affect those who cant yet vote, or only the minority can vote. Most adults won't vote for a government that takes away their money, and one that attempts to do so will not stay in long enough to make any changes, so their targeting those who won't be able to do anything about it.

[AyrshireDon]

Originally Posted by captainmeme

To be honest, this is to be expected. The government has to make cuts, so they make it where it will only affect those who cant yet vote, or only the minority can vote. Most adults won't vote for a government that takes away their money, and one that attempts to do so will not stay in long enough to make any changes, so their targeting those who won't be able to do anything about it.

HA what a load of rubbish the goverment have hit many areas hard the PUBLIC sector has been hit hardest and will be hit harder than students (most of which don't get a job from the resulting degree) with an upwards job loss of 500,000+ people jobless and will be harder to get jobs (the area I want to go into). When you are older you will see the bigger picture.

[Skyllo30]

Originally Posted by SaintsGirl

Don't student nurses/doctors get help paying for their university study?

Nursing students their fees paid and bursaries. Medical students get fees paid from their 5th year ownwards by the NHS and can apply for a bursary (which often leaves people worse off as they get very little student loan then.) No bursaries for the other 4 years and no help with travel expenses.

[PointlessOink]

The cuts and rises are needed but the way they are dealing with them is disgusting. Sadly the new voters, especially students have been fooled by lib dems filthy lies, now we're yet again paying the price. Cameron is too busy keeping everyone but our country happy, although foriegners are so important to our lalalalaty ecomony at the moment it doesnt mean we shouldnt be helped too, hes too busy catering to foreign students studying in england to care about us. the entire cynical fabrication that is the lib dems campaign infuriates me.