The Big Fifa10 Custom Tactics Project - Version 2

JEinchy · 27-10-2009, 02:38 PM

You may or may not have noticed the first, original thread for this. It was originally started by dave797, but some slight complications have lead to the creation of a new thread. If you'd like to read through the original thread, then take a look at the reference section of this post.

(The following extract is take from dave797)

Had a minor brain wave in another thread about this years custom tactics, whilst removed this year for online there is still quite abit of work to be done to get teams playing like they do in real life offline.

So well we're the community so why don't we do it? We claim to know the most about our beloved local or favourite teams so lets put some hard evidence together, to improve everyones offline gaming this year and maybe the whole game for next year.

What you need to do:
1) Decide on a team to customize
2) Post in the thread, the team you'll be taking on and how you think they should play.
3) Get to work experimenting with different custom tactics.
4) TEST them alot, you'll need to test playing as your team and against them to see how realistic the tactics are.
5) Finally post the custom tactics values in the thread for the whole forum to use!

Then hopefully we can come up with a forum modified custom tactics engine thats true to life and gives us all a better playing experience for MM and offline game modes.

We all want the AI to be realistic so lets see if we can do it!!

I hope this thread will essentially run itself and everyone can chip in with ratings and opinions on eachothers work. But keep it friendly guys if you dont agree with some tactics then just give your reasons.

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Of course, there's a bit more to it. We have certain rules that must be followed in order to ensure that this runs runs in an organised fashion.

1. Only one person at a time can work on a tactic. You are allowed to give feedback and run your own tests, but all possible changes has to be made by the original creator. (This way, we don't get someone changing things and then presenting it as their own tactic, when that simply isn't the case.)

2. When reporting with feedback, try to avoid posting the whole tactic. List possible changes and give your reasoning. (We'll avoid unnecessary clutter this way as well as multiple tactics being posted at once.)

3. If you want to post these tactics on your own website, then you must credit the creator and the helpers. To do this, we request that you have the following lines near the tactic: "This tactic was created by *whoever made it* and was tweaked based on the feedback from *list of members who gave feedback*. (We don't want the wrong people getting credited for someone else work).

4. Please avoid discussion about any of EA's failings, because that is not the purpose of this thread. (Because there are thousands of other threads for that

)

5. Please do not post asking for us to do a tactic for a certain team. (Let's be honest, it gets annoying when someone repeatedly asks for a Roma tactic)

6. Feedback must be constructive and you must back up your opinion with evidence and/or reasoning. (We've had a couple of occasions where someone has said this and that is wrong without telling us why)

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Here is a list of completed tactics thus far:

English Premier League:
Arsenal
Aston Villa
Blackburn
Bolton Wanderes
Burnley
Chelsea
Everton
Fulham
Hull City
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Portsmouth
Stoke City
Sunderland
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
Wigan Athletic
Wolves

Eredivisie:
Ajax
AZ Alkmaar
FC Twente
PSV Eindhoven
sc Heerenveen

La Liga:
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Sevilla
Villareal

Bundesliga:
Stuttgart
Wolfsburg

Seria A:
Genoa
Fiorentina
Lazio
AC Milan
AS Roma
Inter Milan
Juventus

Ligue 1:
Bordeaux
LOSC Lille Metropole
Olympique de Marseille
Olympique Lyonnais
Toulouse

Turksish League:
Besiktas
Fenerbache
Galatasaray

Liga Sagres:
Sporting CP
Porto
Benfica

Swiss League:
FC Zurich

Austrian League:
Rapid Wein

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Currently, we are working UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE teams and UEFA EUROPA LEAGUE teams. Here is a list of teams being done at the moment:

Standard de Leiege - ClockEndHD
Hertha Berlin - ClockEndHD
Hamburger SV - ClockEndHD
La Liga General Tactics - seanflannery
Sampdoria - mafgineau
Udinese - mafgineau

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Vancancies:

(Champions League):
Rangers FC

(Europa League):
AC Sparta Praha (Prague)
AEK Athens FC
Athletic Club Bilbao
CD Nacional
Celtic FC
Club Brugge KV
FC Basel 1893
Kobenhavn
FC Salzburg
FK Austria Wien
FK Ventspils
Genoa CFC
RSC Anderlecht
SK Slavia Praha (Prague)
Werder Bremen

References:

The Big Fifa10 Custom Tactics Project

The Realistic Tactics Project Website

Guide to Custom Tactics

Photoshop Template - Rapidshare
Photoshop Template - Multiupload

GIMP Template - Multiupload
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I'll update this post with any details necessary. For now, make sure you abide by the rules and most of all, have fun creating tactics for the better good of the Fifa world!

ClockEndHD · 27-10-2009, 02:41 PM

Let's keep this clean and clear. General discussion in the other thread, completed tactics and reaction in here.

seanflannery · 27-10-2009, 02:43 PM

Nice. Take Wolves out of completed tactics and into Work in Progress though. I believe SuperSubED is working on them.

Also, I would suggest putting up a list of all Champions league and Europa League teams, so that you can add name as people decide. I am also working on some generic tactics.

JEinchy · 27-10-2009, 02:45 PM

Will do. We may as well just use this thread for discussion and posting of tactics, just like the last one, but in a more organised fashion.

seanflannery · 27-10-2009, 02:46 PM

Take my site out of references. I've decided that graphics just take too long. For now I'll just PM Lenuam all the graphics that I've updated so he can add them, and hopefully this will mean I can work on some more generic tactics. Yeah, so add me as generic tactics being worked on.

I'm not going to delete my site just in case Lenuam's site has a crisis at some point

ClockEndHD · 27-10-2009, 02:52 PM

Dutch tactics set

Ajax, Europa League

AZ Alkmaar, Champions League

FC Twente, Europa League

PSV Eindhoven, Europa League

SC Heerenveen, Europa League

JEinchy · 27-10-2009, 02:54 PM

Are these all completed, ClockEndHD?

BoomBoomPow2k9 · 27-10-2009, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEinchy

Are these all completed, ClockEndHD?

I'd like to think ALL the tactics posted aren't yet completed.

Legend_Killer79 · 27-10-2009, 02:57 PM

JEinchy, I think both Real Madrid and Wolfsburg are already done.

scorp369 · 27-10-2009, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanflannery

Take my site out of references. I've decided that graphics just take too long. For now I'll just PM Lenuam all the graphics that I've updated so he can add them, and hopefully this will mean I can work on some more generic tactics. Yeah, so add me as generic tactics being worked on.

I'm not going to delete my site just in case Lenuam's site has a crisis at some point

sean.. you pulling your site off? looked pretty good. it was a lil bit slower tho.. good job guys..

ClockEndHD · 27-10-2009, 03:01 PM

Are these all completed, ClockEndHD?

If completed means tried and tested, yes. I finished the templates one week ago and have been playing with them in Exhibition Mode and Manager Mode, making tweaks along the way. Had my mates over last night and they thought they were pretty good. The only one I'm not completely sure of is PSV, but all in all I'd say these are pretty much completed. I'm really certain they're all accurate because with me living in Holland I get exposed to our lalalalaty league every week...

JEinchy · 27-10-2009, 03:01 PM

Right, let me just confirm it and I'll edit the first post.

SuperSubED · 27-10-2009, 03:06 PM

ClockEndHD · 27-10-2009, 03:11 PM

Excellent stuff. I'll give your Wolves tactics a go, always enjoy playing with Maierhofer and Ebans-Blake!

Loosecannon08 · 27-10-2009, 03:11 PM

Is anyone here on PS3? Cos I was thinking it would be nice once the PL was done for someone to upload their updated squad file with all the tactics we've completed so far, to save others spending hours manually changing them all.

You may also want to add these to the OP

Photoshop Template - Rapidshare
Photoshop Template - Multiupload

GIMP Template - Multiupload

SuperSubED · 27-10-2009, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockEndHD

Excellent stuff. I'll give your Wolves tactics a go, always enjoy playing with Maierhofer and Ebans-Blake!

you welcome.

JEinchy · 27-10-2009, 03:15 PM

Right, Wolves and the those links have been added to the OP. Any more completed tactics out there? I'd like to get these lists complete as soon as possible.

seanflannery · 27-10-2009, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scorp369

sean.. you pulling your site off? looked pretty good. it was a lil bit slower tho.. good job guys..

Nope. I decided to get rid of it. I won't be updating it much. I'll keep it there in case I decide to bring it back though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loosecannon08

Is anyone here on PS3? Cos I was thinking it would be nice once the PL was done for someone to upload their updated squad file with all the tactics we've completed so far, to save others spending hours manually changing them all.

You may also want to add these to the OP

Photoshop Template - Rapidshare
Photoshop Template - Multiupload

GIMP Template - Multiupload

I've edited all the premiership and it's taken me what, 2 hours? But it would be nice, even though I'm on 360

Another idea - create our own forum! I could more than easily set it up, and it could be pretty basic but decent. Different threads for different leagues etc? Good idea or not?

BoomBoomPow2k9 · 27-10-2009, 03:19 PM

Atletico Madrid
------------------------
Penalties – Forlan
Direct Free-Kicks – ???
Long Range Free-Kicks – ???
Corners – Reyes, Lopez and Simao (Both)
Captain - Lopez
------------------------
Asenjo (GK)
Perea (RB) Ujfalusi (RCB) Juanito (LCB) Lopez (LB)
Maxi (RM) Santana (RCM) Assuncao (LCM) Simao(LM)
Forlan (RS) Aguero (LS)
------------------------
Asenjo
Perea
Ujfalusi Juanito
Lopez
Maxi (Forward Arrow)
Garcia (Backwards and Forward arrow)
Assuncao (Backwards Arrow)
Simao (Arrow Cuttign inside the field)
Forlan
Aguero (Forward Arrow)
------------------------
Asenjo
Perea (Yellow, Red)
Ujfalusi (Blue, Red)
Juanito (Blue, Red)
Lopez (Yellow, Red)
Maxi (Yellow, Yellow)
Garcia (Yellow, Blue)
Assuncao (Blue, Red)
Simao (Red, Blue)
Forlan (Yelow, Yellow)
Aguero (Red, Blue)

Note: Formation is (Yellow, Yellow), first colour is defensive, and 2nd is attacking workrates.
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Custom Tactics:
BUILD-UP PLAY
Speed: 65
Passing: 50
Positioning: Organised
CHANCE CREATION
Passing: 70
Crossing: 50
Shooting: 70
Positioning: Organised
DEFENCE
Pressure: 45
Aggression: 30
Team Width: 55
Defender Line: Cover

The default formation is fine.

If someone could put into a graphic, then great.

seanflannery · 27-10-2009, 03:21 PM

Also could you add me as working on 'La Liga Generic Tactics' in the OP please JEinchy?

JEinchy · 27-10-2009, 03:23 PM

Sure thing.

In regards to the forum: we'll consider it as a future project, since there's quite a bit being done at the moment and we don't really want to add to the workload.

ClockEndHD · 27-10-2009, 03:23 PM

This is looking excellent so far lads, well done.

seanflannery · 27-10-2009, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEinchy

Sure thing.

In regards to the forum: we'll consider it as a future project, since there's quite a bit being done at the moment and we don't really want to add to the workload.

I'd be able to do it all as well over the holidays, as well as my generic tactics. Should I create one? I could easily have it all set up over the holidays as I've created a couple before

JEinchy · 27-10-2009, 03:30 PM

In that case, why not? It can't do any harm, I suppose.

In regards to the Birmingham tactics: am I right in assuming that they play 4-5-1, look to pass long to the wings who then feed in Benitez, and that they look more for defensive stability then attacking play. Judging from their opta stats, they have a small amount of shots and successful passes so that's the conclusion I draw from it.

BoomBoomPow2k9 · 27-10-2009, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEinchy

In that case, why not? It can't do any harm, I suppose.

In regards to the Birmingham tactics: am I right in assuming that they play 4-5-1, look to pass long to the wings who then feed in Benitez, and that they look more for defensive stability then attacking play. Judging from their opta stats, they have a small amount of shots and successful passes so that's the conclusion I draw from it.

I'll tell you what I know about Brummie. Very defensive team, keeps thigns VERY tight at the back, difficult to break down. Benitez really is the main man in the team and is agent actualy descrbed him as good as Messi.

Great player.

27-10-2009, 02:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
JEinchy Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: South-East England Age: 17 Posts: 137	The Big Fifa10 Custom Tactics Project - Version 2 You may or may not have noticed the first, original thread for this. It was originally started by dave797, but some slight complications have lead to the creation of a new thread. If you'd like to read through the original thread, then take a look at the reference section of this post. (The following extract is take from dave797) Had a minor brain wave in another thread about this years custom tactics, whilst removed this year for online there is still quite abit of work to be done to get teams playing like they do in real life offline. So well we're the community so why don't we do it? We claim to know the most about our beloved local or favourite teams so lets put some hard evidence together, to improve everyones offline gaming this year and maybe the whole game for next year. What you need to do: 1) Decide on a team to customize 2) Post in the thread, the team you'll be taking on and how you think they should play. 3) Get to work experimenting with different custom tactics. 4) TEST them alot, you'll need to test playing as your team and against them to see how realistic the tactics are. 5) Finally post the custom tactics values in the thread for the whole forum to use! Then hopefully we can come up with a forum modified custom tactics engine thats true to life and gives us all a better playing experience for MM and offline game modes. We all want the AI to be realistic so lets see if we can do it!! I hope this thread will essentially run itself and everyone can chip in with ratings and opinions on eachothers work. But keep it friendly guys if you dont agree with some tactics then just give your reasons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course, there's a bit more to it. We have certain rules that must be followed in order to ensure that this runs runs in an organised fashion. 1. Only one person at a time can work on a tactic. You are allowed to give feedback and run your own tests, but all possible changes has to be made by the original creator. (This way, we don't get someone changing things and then presenting it as their own tactic, when that simply isn't the case.) 2. When reporting with feedback, try to avoid posting the whole tactic. List possible changes and give your reasoning. (We'll avoid unnecessary clutter this way as well as multiple tactics being posted at once.) 3. If you want to post these tactics on your own website, then you must credit the creator and the helpers. To do this, we request that you have the following lines near the tactic: "This tactic was created by whoever made it and was tweaked based on the feedback from list of members who gave feedback. (We don't want the wrong people getting credited for someone else work). 4. Please avoid discussion about any of EA's failings, because that is not the purpose of this thread. (Because there are thousands of other threads for that ) 5. Please do not post asking for us to do a tactic for a certain team. (Let's be honest, it gets annoying when someone repeatedly asks for a Roma tactic) 6. Feedback must be constructive and you must back up your opinion with evidence and/or reasoning. (We've had a couple of occasions where someone has said this and that is wrong without telling us why) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a list of completed tactics thus far: English Premier League: Arsenal Aston Villa Blackburn Bolton Wanderes Burnley Chelsea Everton Fulham Hull City Liverpool Manchester City Manchester United Portsmouth Stoke City Sunderland Tottenham Hotspur West Ham United Wigan Athletic Wolves Eredivisie: Ajax AZ Alkmaar FC Twente PSV Eindhoven sc Heerenveen La Liga: Barcelona Real Madrid Sevilla Villareal Bundesliga: Stuttgart Wolfsburg Seria A: Genoa Fiorentina Lazio AC Milan AS Roma Inter Milan Juventus Ligue 1: Bordeaux LOSC Lille Metropole Olympique de Marseille Olympique Lyonnais Toulouse Turksish League: Besiktas Fenerbache Galatasaray Liga Sagres: Sporting CP Porto Benfica Swiss League: FC Zurich Austrian League: Rapid Wein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Currently, we are working UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE teams and UEFA EUROPA LEAGUE teams. Here is a list of teams being done at the moment: Standard de Leiege - ClockEndHD Hertha Berlin - ClockEndHD Hamburger SV - ClockEndHD La Liga General Tactics - seanflannery Sampdoria - mafgineau Udinese - mafgineau ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vancancies: (Champions League): Rangers FC (Europa League): AC Sparta Praha (Prague) AEK Athens FC Athletic Club Bilbao CD Nacional Celtic FC Club Brugge KV FC Basel 1893 Kobenhavn FC Salzburg FK Austria Wien FK Ventspils Genoa CFC RSC Anderlecht SK Slavia Praha (Prague) Werder Bremen References: The Big Fifa10 Custom Tactics Project The Realistic Tactics Project Website Guide to Custom Tactics Photoshop Template - Rapidshare Photoshop Template - Multiupload GIMP Template - Multiupload ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll update this post with any details necessary. For now, make sure you abide by the rules and most of all, have fun creating tactics for the better good of the Fifa world! Last edited by JEinchy; 30-10-2009 at 02:33 PM.

27-10-2009, 02:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
ClockEndHD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 17 Posts: 324	Let's keep this clean and clear. General discussion in the other thread, completed tactics and reaction in here. __________________

27-10-2009, 02:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
ClockEndHD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 17 Posts: 324	Dutch tactics set Ajax, Europa League AZ Alkmaar, Champions League FC Twente, Europa League PSV Eindhoven, Europa League SC Heerenveen, Europa League __________________

27-10-2009, 03:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
ClockEndHD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 17 Posts: 324	Are these all completed, ClockEndHD? If completed means tried and tested, yes. I finished the templates one week ago and have been playing with them in Exhibition Mode and Manager Mode, making tweaks along the way. Had my mates over last night and they thought they were pretty good. The only one I'm not completely sure of is PSV, but all in all I'd say these are pretty much completed. I'm really certain they're all accurate because with me living in Holland I get exposed to our lalalalaty league every week... __________________

27-10-2009, 03:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
SuperSubED Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 95	Woves __________________ "I fan the sparklalalalala until it becomes a flame. I feed the flame until it becomes a fire. Then I feed the fire until it becomes a roaring blaze."

27-10-2009, 02:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
seanflannery Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: As close to a computer as possible Posts: 1,898	Nice. Take Wolves out of completed tactics and into Work in Progress though. I believe SuperSubED is working on them. Also, I would suggest putting up a list of all Champions league and Europa League teams, so that you can add name as people decide. I am also working on some generic tactics.

27-10-2009, 02:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
JEinchy Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: South-East England Age: 17 Posts: 137	Will do. We may as well just use this thread for discussion and posting of tactics, just like the last one, but in a more organised fashion.

27-10-2009, 02:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
seanflannery Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: As close to a computer as possible Posts: 1,898	Take my site out of references. I've decided that graphics just take too long. For now I'll just PM Lenuam all the graphics that I've updated so he can add them, and hopefully this will mean I can work on some more generic tactics. Yeah, so add me as generic tactics being worked on. I'm not going to delete my site just in case Lenuam's site has a crisis at some point

27-10-2009, 02:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
JEinchy Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: South-East England Age: 17 Posts: 137	Are these all completed, ClockEndHD?

27-10-2009, 02:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
Legend_Killer79 Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 161	JEinchy, I think both Real Madrid and Wolfsburg are already done.

27-10-2009, 03:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
JEinchy Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: South-East England Age: 17 Posts: 137	Right, let me just confirm it and I'll edit the first post.

27-10-2009, 03:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
ClockEndHD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 17 Posts: 324	Excellent stuff. I'll give your Wolves tactics a go, always enjoy playing with Maierhofer and Ebans-Blake! __________________

27-10-2009, 03:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
Loosecannon08 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 23 Posts: 382	Is anyone here on PS3? Cos I was thinking it would be nice once the PL was done for someone to upload their updated squad file with all the tactics we've completed so far, to save others spending hours manually changing them all. You may also want to add these to the OP Photoshop Template - Rapidshare Photoshop Template - Multiupload GIMP Template - Multiupload __________________

27-10-2009, 03:15 PM	#17 (permalink)
JEinchy Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: South-East England Age: 17 Posts: 137	Right, Wolves and the those links have been added to the OP. Any more completed tactics out there? I'd like to get these lists complete as soon as possible.

27-10-2009, 03:19 PM	#19 (permalink)
BoomBoomPow2k9 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: London Age: 15 Posts: 4,046	Atletico Madrid ------------------------ Penalties – Forlan Direct Free-Kicks – ??? Long Range Free-Kicks – ??? Corners – Reyes, Lopez and Simao (Both) Captain - Lopez ------------------------ Asenjo (GK) Perea (RB) Ujfalusi (RCB) Juanito (LCB) Lopez (LB) Maxi (RM) Santana (RCM) Assuncao (LCM) Simao(LM) Forlan (RS) Aguero (LS) ------------------------ Asenjo Perea Ujfalusi Juanito Lopez Maxi (Forward Arrow) Garcia (Backwards and Forward arrow) Assuncao (Backwards Arrow) Simao (Arrow Cuttign inside the field) Forlan Aguero (Forward Arrow) ------------------------ Asenjo Perea (Yellow, Red) Ujfalusi (Blue, Red) Juanito (Blue, Red) Lopez (Yellow, Red) Maxi (Yellow, Yellow) Garcia (Yellow, Blue) Assuncao (Blue, Red) Simao (Red, Blue) Forlan (Yelow, Yellow) Aguero (Red, Blue) Note: Formation is (Yellow, Yellow), first colour is defensive, and 2nd is attacking workrates. ------------------------------------- Custom Tactics: BUILD-UP PLAY Speed: 65 Passing: 50 Positioning: Organised CHANCE CREATION Passing: 70 Crossing: 50 Shooting: 70 Positioning: Organised DEFENCE Pressure: 45 Aggression: 30 Team Width: 55 Defender Line: Cover The default formation is fine. If someone could put into a graphic, then great.

27-10-2009, 03:21 PM	#20 (permalink)
seanflannery Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: As close to a computer as possible Posts: 1,898	Also could you add me as working on 'La Liga Generic Tactics' in the OP please JEinchy?

27-10-2009, 03:23 PM	#21 (permalink)
JEinchy Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: South-East England Age: 17 Posts: 137	Sure thing. In regards to the forum: we'll consider it as a future project, since there's quite a bit being done at the moment and we don't really want to add to the workload.

27-10-2009, 03:23 PM	#22 (permalink)
ClockEndHD Rookie Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 17 Posts: 324	This is looking excellent so far lads, well done. __________________

27-10-2009, 03:30 PM	#24 (permalink)
JEinchy Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: South-East England Age: 17 Posts: 137	In that case, why not? It can't do any harm, I suppose. In regards to the Birmingham tactics: am I right in assuming that they play 4-5-1, look to pass long to the wings who then feed in Benitez, and that they look more for defensive stability then attacking play. Judging from their opta stats, they have a small amount of shots and successful passes so that's the conclusion I draw from it.

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