Some gamescom clarifications

klys · 21-08-2009, 10:32 PM

Hey guys,

first of all, sorry for my english, I'm german and I'm trying my best here

.

I live in Cologne so I obviously had to visit the gamescom and play FIFA10, because hands down, it's this time of the year again where casual gamers like I would describe myself turn into nerds, trying to absorb as much information about upcoming football titles as possible.

1. "There's too much chipping in the game, plus it looks far too easy."

When standing in line waiting to play the game with a friend I could watch a lot of games with players ranging from absolutely unskilled to very good, even some "abusers" of leaks, so basically the kind of mixture you would expect in online games.

I was very surprised how even bad players would fire some great lobs when making it into the box. How was that possible, are they not so bad after all? Is the game so hard to control now, that skilled players would look like starters? Well. Some thirty seconds into my first self-played game, my friend (a rather bad player

) dribbles alongside my box and fires one hell of a lob at my goal. I stare at him in shock and he smashes the Xbox-Pad. "The hell, I wanted to SHOT, not cross!" - what was going on? About ~50% of the players actually hit the cross button instead of the shot button, because some people adjust the controls the way they like it, others just start to play and everything gets mixed up.
Plus, you can't spam the keeper button and expect the goalie to hover back magically into his goal if you release it anymore.. a lot of players, including me, just press it way to often and the keeper stands too far away from the goal - lobs are as easy or hard as in Fifa 09.

2. "It's too easy to ping-pong-pass and get into the box."

That's lalalala. First of all, which teams participated in the current gameplay videos? Barcelona, Munich, Chelsea ... you would expect teams like that to play some good one touch football. The new 360° movement in defence is worth gold. My friend likes to ping-pong and I never could put a stop to that in 09, but now I can actually move where I want, so good-bye getting the ball to your fast forwards from the defence with three quick passes in the midfield. When playing a game with Toronto against Marseille this became even more obvious, because the players in Marseille's midfield can't pass as fast as Ribery or Messi, so the ball jumps away or a player misses entirely.. and even if he gets to pass it, I could stop it if it wasn't a move that he thought through and didn't just hit LB+pass for a one-two spam.

3. "Noone can play Fifa, the videos suck."

Well, a lot of the available footage actually is ruined by bad plays. This is easily explained by the following facts. The controls are changed almost every game, and this is Germany, and you don't want 10 angry Germans behind you when you are setting controls and stuff like manual shooting, passing.. "Oh so now he ees changink ze controlls, plees, zees ees just to test ze game!" ... so you basically play with mixed up buttons and actions. Plus, the triggers and RB/LT tend to get stuck fairly often because they are extremely worn out (on the second day of four!).
Also, the game speed is often set to fast by a few guys and this is unnoticed by the next ten or more couples playing, so if they film it, another false impression is on tape and ready to hit the forums.

So far, this is what I read in this forum a lot and just wanted to clarify some of it. I am not paid by EA or something for writing this. My personal game history is FIFA 96-2002 on PC, then changed to PES 3 until PES 6, bought an Xbox 360 and continued playing PES 6 until FIFA 09 was finally a great EA product again while Konami messed up big time.. and now I am waiting for FIFA10.

Jag77 · 21-08-2009, 10:36 PM

Thanks for clearing that up!

Persianality · 21-08-2009, 10:40 PM

good post

Andrew_qp · 21-08-2009, 10:43 PM

Quote:

fires one hell of a lob at my goal. I stare at him in shock and he smashes the Xbox-Pad. "The hell, I wanted to SHOT, not cross!" - what was going on? About ~50% of the players actually hit the cross button instead of the shot button, because some people adjust the controls the way they like it, others just start to play and everything gets mixed up.

really funny

by the way, Thx for the info 10x

Aboody99 · 21-08-2009, 10:44 PM

Great read thanks very much

Coplandbear · 21-08-2009, 10:47 PM

Good Read

amfd · 21-08-2009, 11:05 PM

Good post... friend

bollkoll · 21-08-2009, 11:20 PM

Thx mate!

Emmanuel4 · 21-08-2009, 11:31 PM

[QUOTE=klys;10891789]I was very surprised how even bad players would fire some great lobs when making it into the box. How was that possible, are they not so bad after all?

QUOTE]

Do you mean lobs as in shoot? or a lob pass? IMO since they are professionals they can be good to.

Prologic IG · 21-08-2009, 11:32 PM

Well, that's what I call a good post.

zlatandogge · 21-08-2009, 11:37 PM

Great post, it was actually enjoyable to read!

Decker333 · 21-08-2009, 11:42 PM

The Bayern - Chelsea vid were the Bayern player keeps running through and chipping the keeper is because the player playing as Chelsea keeps bringing his centre backs out of position because he is a very poor player. This leaves it easy for the Bayern player to get 1 v 1 against the keeper. Although the game speed does look to fast IMO, however, lets hope it is on fast setting as klys suggests.

klys could you please tell us about the game speed in these vids? Is it a lot slower than these vids show? You touch on this subject in your post.

I will keep on open mind till I play the game myself.

DazzaTheBest · 21-08-2009, 11:57 PM

good post? didnt he basically just say fifa 10 was a bad game

AMCHE8220 · 22-08-2009, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klys

"Oh so now he ees changink ze controlls, plees, zees ees just to test ze game!"

hahahah really laughed at this one

Arsenal4eva179 · 22-08-2009, 12:02 AM

Got some questions if you dont mind answering them

- Are there any new celebrations?

- What is the shooting like, does it depend on how you hit the ball, what i mean is in FIFA 09 Shots are reptitive and you score the same types of goals... and it was floaty... as the shooting has been improvedfor FIFA 10 I was wondering if its any better and more realistic?

- How is the 360 dribbling? Is it hard to tackle and does it have an effect on the game? of course it will do but i wna know what you think about it yourself and whether it makes and creats better options on the ball and creating chances?

- Is heading better, EG Can you score headers like Messi's one against Utd and also Robbie keanes one against Hull, Thtas if youve scored one yourself or witnessed one scored by another player of course.

- How does tackling fair out: Is it harder to time your tackles of cos it will be more realistic, But how does it play during the game how did you find it yourself?

If you could answer these questions i would be very much greatful!

Thanks!

Loosecannon08 · 22-08-2009, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klys

Also, the game speed is often set to fast by a few guys and this is unnoticed by the next ten or more couples playing, so if they film it, another false impression is on tape and ready to hit the forums.

I really hope this is the case as from most of the videos I've watched the speed at which players pass the ball seems mental.

It looks like when you pass the ball there is no difference in passing speed regardless if the player is 10 or 35 yards away, therefore this doesn't seem very realistic and it looks way to easy to ping pong and retain the ball.

I find this video illustrates my point well
Vidéo FIFA 10 (Jeuxvideo.TV)

The way the ball is played in to feet every 2 seconds rather than just in front of the player also makes the games seem very unrealistic, but i guess that is down to assisted controls.

I think i shall be playing manual this year.

Scousegit · 22-08-2009, 12:55 AM

brilliant, thanks for that mate... who are these idiots setting the game to fast??? that had me panicking for a while there

UK Jack Bauer · 22-08-2009, 12:57 AM

A brilliant post, well written and you've put everything I tried to say since playing the game at the Emirates beautifully. I hope you don't mind klys but I've featured this in an FSB article HERE in an attempt to make you famous.

Seriously though, really well explained. This is only touching on just how good the game is and how disappointing the gameplay videos coming out of Gamescom have been so far.

We scored a few cracking long range goals, and even without scoring we hit some really good powerful shots. Nobody seems to want to try anything new in these videos, they're playing the game like it's FIFA 09.

A few of us did that at first while playing 10 and we were underwhelmed, then after three games and starting to play differently, using the slow dribble button and trying shots we wouldn't have tried in 09, the game came to life and we started to see things that blew us away.

The demo really can't come soon enough.

Taquito7 · 22-08-2009, 12:58 AM

Good looks on the post.

3minutesturkish · 22-08-2009, 01:03 AM

Great post mate.

fantasticba4 · 22-08-2009, 01:31 AM

Very well written Klys

Quote:

Originally Posted by UK Jack Bauer

A brilliant post, well written and you've put everything I tried to say since playing the game at the Emirates beautifully. I hope you don't mind klys but I've featured this in an FSB article HERE in an attempt to make you famous.

Seriously though, really well explained. This is only touching on just how good the game is and how disappointing the gameplay videos coming out of Gamescom have been so far.

We scored a few cracking long range goals, and even without scoring we hit some really good powerful shots. Nobody seems to want to try anything new in these videos, they're playing the game like it's FIFA 09.

A few of us did that at first while playing 10 and we were underwhelmed, then after three games and starting to play differently, using the slow dribble button and trying shots we wouldn't have tried in 09, the game came to life and we started to see things that blew us away.

The demo really can't come soon enough.

Yep i agree. What i saw at the Emirates play test is so much better than the vids i am seeing. We all played the game well just as you said

CJB411 · 22-08-2009, 02:06 AM

I'm glad to hear this, but really I wasn't worried.

Arsenal1991 · 22-08-2009, 02:10 AM

great post, would obviously be better to see some of the guys on here play it tho.

Barney_Stinson · 22-08-2009, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klys

3. "Noone can play Fifa, the videos suck."

Well, a lot of the available footage actually is ruined by bad plays. This is easily explained by the following facts. The controls are changed almost every game, and this is Germany, and you don't want 10 angry Germans behind you when you are setting controls and stuff like manual shooting, passing.. "Oh so now he ees changink ze controlls, plees, zees ees just to test ze game!"

OMG AHAHAH I f*cking laughted my lalala off

3minutesturkish · 22-08-2009, 02:14 AM

One more play test EA. Give it to weepeler. Show off your game properly.

(Although that new trailer is the doggies nads

).

21-08-2009, 10:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
klys Rookie Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3	Some gamescom clarifications Hey guys, first of all, sorry for my english, I'm german and I'm trying my best here . I live in Cologne so I obviously had to visit the gamescom and play FIFA10, because hands down, it's this time of the year again where casual gamers like I would describe myself turn into nerds, trying to absorb as much information about upcoming football titles as possible. 1. "There's too much chipping in the game, plus it looks far too easy." When standing in line waiting to play the game with a friend I could watch a lot of games with players ranging from absolutely unskilled to very good, even some "abusers" of leaks, so basically the kind of mixture you would expect in online games. I was very surprised how even bad players would fire some great lobs when making it into the box. How was that possible, are they not so bad after all? Is the game so hard to control now, that skilled players would look like starters? Well. Some thirty seconds into my first self-played game, my friend (a rather bad player ) dribbles alongside my box and fires one hell of a lob at my goal. I stare at him in shock and he smashes the Xbox-Pad. "The hell, I wanted to SHOT, not cross!" - what was going on? About ~50% of the players actually hit the cross button instead of the shot button, because some people adjust the controls the way they like it, others just start to play and everything gets mixed up. Plus, you can't spam the keeper button and expect the goalie to hover back magically into his goal if you release it anymore.. a lot of players, including me, just press it way to often and the keeper stands too far away from the goal - lobs are as easy or hard as in Fifa 09. 2. "It's too easy to ping-pong-pass and get into the box." That's lalalala. First of all, which teams participated in the current gameplay videos? Barcelona, Munich, Chelsea ... you would expect teams like that to play some good one touch football. The new 360° movement in defence is worth gold. My friend likes to ping-pong and I never could put a stop to that in 09, but now I can actually move where I want, so good-bye getting the ball to your fast forwards from the defence with three quick passes in the midfield. When playing a game with Toronto against Marseille this became even more obvious, because the players in Marseille's midfield can't pass as fast as Ribery or Messi, so the ball jumps away or a player misses entirely.. and even if he gets to pass it, I could stop it if it wasn't a move that he thought through and didn't just hit LB+pass for a one-two spam. 3. "Noone can play Fifa, the videos suck." Well, a lot of the available footage actually is ruined by bad plays. This is easily explained by the following facts. The controls are changed almost every game, and this is Germany, and you don't want 10 angry Germans behind you when you are setting controls and stuff like manual shooting, passing.. "Oh so now he ees changink ze controlls, plees, zees ees just to test ze game!" ... so you basically play with mixed up buttons and actions. Plus, the triggers and RB/LT tend to get stuck fairly often because they are extremely worn out (on the second day of four!). Also, the game speed is often set to fast by a few guys and this is unnoticed by the next ten or more couples playing, so if they film it, another false impression is on tape and ready to hit the forums. So far, this is what I read in this forum a lot and just wanted to clarify some of it. I am not paid by EA or something for writing this. My personal game history is FIFA 96-2002 on PC, then changed to PES 3 until PES 6, bought an Xbox 360 and continued playing PES 6 until FIFA 09 was finally a great EA product again while Konami messed up big time.. and now I am waiting for FIFA10.

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Emmanuel4 Forum Guru Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Houston Age: 17 Posts: 2,128 Blog Entries: 2	[QUOTE=klys;10891789]I was very surprised how even bad players would fire some great lobs when making it into the box. How was that possible, are they not so bad after all? QUOTE] Do you mean lobs as in shoot? or a lob pass? IMO since they are professionals they can be good to. __________________ thanks a lot to AleXj \| LFC for the sig!

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Decker333 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Derby Posts: 485	The Bayern - Chelsea vid were the Bayern player keeps running through and chipping the keeper is because the player playing as Chelsea keeps bringing his centre backs out of position because he is a very poor player. This leaves it easy for the Bayern player to get 1 v 1 against the keeper. Although the game speed does look to fast IMO, however, lets hope it is on fast setting as klys suggests. klys could you please tell us about the game speed in these vids? Is it a lot slower than these vids show? You touch on this subject in your post. I will keep on open mind till I play the game myself.

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DazzaTheBest Forum Guru Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,258	good post? didnt he basically just say fifa 10 was a bad game

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Arsenal4eva179 Forum Junkie Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 23 Posts: 2,826	Got some questions if you dont mind answering them - Are there any new celebrations? - What is the shooting like, does it depend on how you hit the ball, what i mean is in FIFA 09 Shots are reptitive and you score the same types of goals... and it was floaty... as the shooting has been improvedfor FIFA 10 I was wondering if its any better and more realistic? - How is the 360 dribbling? Is it hard to tackle and does it have an effect on the game? of course it will do but i wna know what you think about it yourself and whether it makes and creats better options on the ball and creating chances? - Is heading better, EG Can you score headers like Messi's one against Utd and also Robbie keanes one against Hull, Thtas if youve scored one yourself or witnessed one scored by another player of course. - How does tackling fair out: Is it harder to time your tackles of cos it will be more realistic, But how does it play during the game how did you find it yourself? If you could answer these questions i would be very much greatful! Thanks! __________________ FIFA 11: Im ready.

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Scousegit Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 461	brilliant, thanks for that mate... who are these idiots setting the game to fast??? that had me panicking for a while there

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UK Jack Bauer Rookie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Wirral, UK Age: 27 Posts: 260	A brilliant post, well written and you've put everything I tried to say since playing the game at the Emirates beautifully. I hope you don't mind klys but I've featured this in an FSB article HERE in an attempt to make you famous. Seriously though, really well explained. This is only touching on just how good the game is and how disappointing the gameplay videos coming out of Gamescom have been so far. We scored a few cracking long range goals, and even without scoring we hit some really good powerful shots. Nobody seems to want to try anything new in these videos, they're playing the game like it's FIFA 09. A few of us did that at first while playing 10 and we were underwhelmed, then after three games and starting to play differently, using the slow dribble button and trying shots we wouldn't have tried in 09, the game came to life and we started to see things that blew us away. The demo really can't come soon enough. __________________ FIFASOCCERBLOG.COM The best independent FIFA site on the web

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3minutesturkish Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London Age: 31 Posts: 622	One more play test EA. Give it to weepeler. Show off your game properly. (Although that new trailer is the doggies nads ).