Manual leaderboards poll *please read the original post before commenting and voting*

[T-Mills-85]

Ok.

There have been tonnes of threads recently regarding manual players and the "divide" between them and other players.

Overall, the best suggestions that we have seen in these threads have been for manual players to have seperate leaderboards.

I purely want to see how the idea of manual leaderboards being seperate from the leaderboards we have now is received. Nothing more. This isnt a "manual players are better" thread, 99% of manual players dont think this way at all. This isnt a thread for moaning or whinging about the pros and cons of different control settings or for players from both sides to come in and have a dig at each other, there have been loads of places to do that.

PLEASE, just vote accordingly and keep all animosity and arguements out. This is all about the numbers.

Thanks guys.

Tom

[JusTeken]

I don't think it's necessary with different leaderboards. In the future it will be equal between assisted and manual players, maybe already this year.

[kenneth050881]

I disagree totally.

Perhaps a better idea would be more skill points (xp) awarded for players that use manual controls.

This would reward people for at least having a go at manual controls.


I think that some people play assisted and they should never be penalized, I play manual controls but respect people who play manual, at the end of the day you pay good money for the game and therefore you can play however you like, whatever gives you more enjoyment.

Inputting an online search filter for assisted/semi/manual players would be a better option.

[OscarNiner]

Yes.

You could even go a step further and have a leaderboard for all. Then another set for semi, manual and assisted.

That way everyones happy.

I'd rather not have to get more points just for playing with manual, as that IMO takes away some of the fun, people would then just switch to manual in order to get the most points, and in the process finding the glitches that exist in assisted, in manual. Not that I'm saying all assisted users are cheaters/glitchers before anyone jumps me

[Fifa06RBK]

Nah i don't think so, i rather support the idea that turning off assisted controlls rewards with more points.

[shrimperboy84]

i like the idea of a manual leaderboard, and more points for using manual against assisted players

[T-Mills-85]

Originally Posted by OscarNiner

Yes.

You could even go a step further and have a leaderboard for all. Then another set for semi, manual and assisted.

That way everyones happy.

I'd rather not have to get more points just for playing with manual, as that IMO takes away some of the fun, people would then just switch to manual in order to get the most points, and in the process finding the glitches that exist in assisted, in manual. Not that I'm saying all assisted users are cheaters/glitchers before anyone jumps me

Originally Posted by Fifa06RBK

Nah i don't think so, i rather support the idea that turning off assisted controlls rewards with more points.

Originally Posted by kenneth050881

I disagree totally.

Perhaps a better idea would be more skill points (xp) awarded for players that use manual controls.

This would reward people for at least having a go at manual controls.


I think that some people play assisted and they should never be penalized, I play manual controls but respect people who play manual, at the end of the day you pay good money for the game and therefore you can play however you like, whatever gives you more enjoyment.

Inputting an online search filter for assisted/semi/manual players would be a better option.

Thanks for your responses guys. Seems strange that you all feel that way, there was uproar in the other threads when the idea of more skill points for manual players was suggested which was why i went down the seperate leaderboards route.

One thing that was pointed out regarding more points was that it would be a boosters dream. i.e. fully Manual accrington against a fully assisted man utd = SP heaven.

But i agree it is another alternative.

[daherlihy]

I must say this thread by Millsey is a more genuine thread than other similar threads where the OP's claim i.e. Manual gamers are masters and assisted gamers are noobs. This is not the attitude here and full credit to Mills for that.

I'll be honest in saying though that I still like the leaderboards incorporating a mix of all types of gamers together while I believe regulating each leaderboard and prooving what settings gamers are using will be difficult, hence I voted no. No offense or anything

[T-Mills-85]

Originally Posted by daherlihy

I must say this thread by Millsey is a more genuine thread than other similar threads where the OP's claim i.e. Manual gamers are masters and assisted gamers are noobs. This is not the attitude here and full credit to Mills for that.

I'll be honest in saying though that I still like the leaderboards incorporating a mix of all types of gamers together while I believe regulating each leaderboard and prooving what settings gamers are using will be difficult, hence I voted no. No offense or anything

its cool man (just dont go dissing my chocolate limes again!) you got it spot on. there is nothing in this other than trying to find out who wants to see what in terms of the leaderboards.

I think an idea of Manual/Semi/Assisted PLUS an overall would be the best.

Want to see how you compare against other players who use the same control style as you? you can. want to see how you compare overall? you can.

I just dont know how much work would be involved in making that happen, and as we discussed yesterday where is the semi line drawn?

[daherlihy]

Originally Posted by T-Mills-85

its cool man (just dont go dissing my chocolate limes again!) you got it spot on. there is nothing in this other than trying to find out who wants to see what in terms of the leaderboards.

I think an idea of Manual/Semi/Assisted PLUS an overall would be the best.

Want to see how you compare against other players who use the same control style as you? you can. want to see how you compare overall? you can.

I just dont know how much work would be involved in making that happen, and as we discussed yesterday where is the semi line drawn?

I have a solution to the manual - semi - assisted saga:

IN the contol settings where you pick the manual - semi - assisted settings, there should be a gauge at the bottom with a slider and a red - yellow - green background. If all settings are at manual, the slider is at green and you are a manual gamers. If all's at assisted, slider is in the red and your are assisted.

If most settings are in semi (and the other two are either or both manual or assisted, you're slider is in the yellow and officially a semi gamer.

And adjustments to or from manual or assisted means you're moving the slider towards either the red or the green, so a combination of different settings will have your slider at a certain point on the gauge.

Auto switching would also have a bearing - default (in the middle) should be considered as semi.

So wherever your slider is at before a match, you are playing for rank in one of 3 leaderboards (Note slider should not be changeable during game).

How does that sound? I've always been asking for definition of a manual, semi and assisted gamers respectively, so this could be the answer and be the foundation for 3 seperate spin-off leaderboards...

[vg88roland]

I would have liked a separate manual ladder. And frankly can't see anything negative about it. It should also be pretty easy to sort out. As long as they can track skill level, passes, goals, DNF's, tackles and such, they can also track controller settings.

If manual and assisted controls were of equal difficulty, there would be no need, but sadly it isn't so. We should all know how good a mixed ladder works by now, as this years ranking has been a farce.

Giving manual player more points is infact a bigger task to pull of programming-wise than making a separate ladder. They have to up the countermeasures to prevent boosters.

There is, as I see it, no REAL reason to NOT make a manual ladder. If you feel left out because you can't climb the "manual" ladder using assisted controls, well, welcome to the club! This is how we manual players have had it for more than 2 years...

I'm NOT saying I am a better FIFA player than an assisted player, but I know how I like my football. As real as possible, and that being great actually takes a lot of practice. I'm not great either in case you think that I think I am. (Nice sentence, that is )

"Practice is the key to success".

[T-Mills-85]

Thanks for your feedback guys. DH i do really like that idea. and vg88roland i agree that skill points would be harder to implement AND protect against boosting.

[DuduDaSilva]

yep. or at the very least the option of facing other manuel users?

[EFC-STE-1878]

I voted yes, even though my settings are on semi. I was thinking of making the leap to manual.(Until my ps3 got YLOD). Im sure if this option was available in future fifa games, a lot more would use manual ranks.

[T-Mills-85]

Originally Posted by DuduDaSilva

yep. or at the very least the option of facing other manuel users?

Indeed. This is a must. There is talk of filtering by * rating, hopefully control settings will be considered too.

Originally Posted by EFC-STE-1878

I voted yes, even though my settings are on semi. I was thinking of making the leap to manual.(Until my ps3 got YLOD). Im sure if this option was available in future fifa games, a lot more would use manual ranks.

This is what i am thinking. Recently a LOT of people have made the change to manual controls and if there was a little more incentive, i.e. seperate leaderboards and an easy way to find other manual players, im sure that more people would make the switch.

Thanks for your feedback guys.

[D-Smith-LFC]

I'm all for it Thomsas, as a Manual player i'd love to be able to switch on FIFA and go and play a few quicked ranked ' Manual ' matches, everytime you come on FIFA, youve got to hope that someone on your friendlist who also plays manual is on or your basically screwed for matches ( Unless you want to play the computer ).

That shouldnt be the case with it, for me now Manual FIFA is getting big and popular and after seeing many people change to manual, I think weve got enough Manual players now to have a seperate leaderboard.

Now fair enough EA didn't impliment manual leaderboads for FIFA 07, 08 or 09 but I think it's time now, say from FIFA 07 to 09 the manual players across the globe must have more then tripled easily alot more, and from in FIFA 09 the couple of months the number of manual players have shot up, so I think we deserve a leaderboard, wether we'll get 1 am not to sure, but alls we can do is ask and keep filling this thread up.

If this thread can do a long stint, with alot of good feedback and questions recarding manual leaderboards, then maybe EA Will start to look at it more seriously.

That is all.

[T-Mills-85]

Cheers Dean. Thats what im looking for really, get the numbers together and gather peoples CONSTRUCTIVE opinions.(thats not directed at you )

I would like to think there are enough players. I went through the 09 and 10 boards for a long time last night and dug out all the threads (so so many!) i could find relevant to manual. I am going to go through them later and dig out all of the savable ideas and suggestions.

[D-Smith-LFC]

I would say they was enough now, plus the fact that if EA did open up a Manual Leaderboard I think then alot more players would take it up as they would feel they'd now have something to play for.

Personally I just think it's now the right time to bring the Manual Leaderboard to FIFA.

[T-Mills-85]

Originally Posted by D-Smith-LFC

I would say they was enough now, plus the fact that if EA did open up a Manual Leaderboard I think then alot more players would take it up as they would feel they'd now have something to play for.

Personally I just think it's now the right time to bring the Manual Leaderboard to FIFA.

This is kind of what im thinking. If it is there, more people will make use of it, and there are recently we have seen a large rise in people taking up full manual. Kappas league is a prime example. Its been a great success.

[daherlihy]

Originally Posted by T-Mills-85

Thanks for your feedback guys. DH i do really like that idea. and vg88roland i agree that skill points would be harder to implement AND protect against boosting.

Just realised that my idea of the manual:semi:assisted slider-gauge could be used also in finding/filtering opponents in match searches

Mills, raise this thread with someone from EA Sports, so that these genius ideas of mine and yours isn't missed out on!!

[T-Mills-85]

Originally Posted by daherlihy

Just realised that my idea of the manual:semi:assisted slider-gauge could be used also in finding/filtering opponents in match searches

Mills, raise this thread with someone from EA Sports, so that these genius ideas of mine and yours isn't missed out on!!

Thats the plan long term mate. like i mentioned earlier, i have been trying to dig out all of the decent ideas and put them all in one place.

[T-Mills-85]

This is a particulary good idea from Shortyalienx2. somehow that thread never got off of the ground?

Potentially Revolutionary Idea - Hubbub

[vg88roland]

Originally Posted by T-Mills-85

This is a particulary good idea from Shortyalienx2. somehow that thread never got off of the ground?

Potentially Revolutionary Idea - Hubbub

That's a splendid idea, but I know someone will complain about not being able to enter manual lobby using assisted controls. I'm all for it though.

[Luxz0rz]

As long as it's not for FIWC then sure.

[T-Mills-85]

Originally Posted by Luxz0rz

As long as it's not for FIWC then sure.

No i think FIWC is too broad to consider forcing full manual on all of the players. In fact im not suggesting forcing it on anyone, just giving people who choose to use manual a little more to work at.