Graphics Cards

[Romaniansoccer]

Originally Posted by snake25

Well I read something a few months ago regarding harcore gamers.It was somebody from EA I don't remember exactly probably Riccitello.Well he said that they don't rely on what hardcore gamers are saying about game in general.Because they have exaggerated expectations from an game and when they play it they are dissapointed.They are aiming more on casual gamers than hardcore ones.I remember that he gave Spore as an example.

Yeah, I was mostly explaining why a lot of people pay more than $100 for a video card.

A properly scaled (graphics sliders..) game can satisfy both casual and die-hard gamers. TeamFortress 2 is a good example. On minimum details, it runs on most crappy video cards and it's actually playable. Turn the details up to max and it looks great. The problem is, not a lot of games are optimized to run on many different computer hardware. Most games just have a targeted audience and that's it.

[Danny7up3]

i amnot an heavy gamer just saing dont wanna get less attention than next genaration gamers i have strong pc strong enough for next genarations graphics like 95% precent of all gamers .... just saing that ea should stop feeding us with lies

[TortoiseTimmy]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

Yeah nowadays there's nothing to worry about cos we've got PCI Xpress X16 slots, so any modern card will run without worries, unlike the old AGP slot.
Yeah it feels a wealth of a difference having a new GPU. I am also starting to win online games more easily lol. Due to lagless games I easily shoot others at Crysis Wars and Call of Duty 4, it just feels special special every shot.

You don't have to worry about Warhead, it runs perfectly 100% smooth without a single slice of lag! I can assure you it will not cause you any trouble like the original Crysis. Everything maxing out on Enthusiastic setting and highest resolutions without lag.
I've not met an alien so far on Warhead, maybe I didn't play it for substanially long. However there are sharks under the sea that can be very scary, beware of that!

And also the online game (Crysis Wars that comes with it) you can play with loads of people, more beautiful maps and downloadable ones. Graphics are absolutely fantastic, well they're equivalent to original Crysis but runs very smoothly. Every explosion looks dramatic. Love driving those army vehicles especially online you can drive speed boats, cars, tanks, helicopters and planes!

Yeah, ever since I built my new PC, I've actually been coming in the top places on Counter Strike Source.. Something I'd never have been able to do on my old laggy piece of lalalala. It's actually worth playing PC games online.

Yeah, I think Crysis Warhead will be maybe the next PC game I buy... if not ArmA II. I wasn't aware that Crysis Wars came with it, so it's a pleasant surprise to find that out.. And all the more reason to buy it.

As for the discussion on how much you should spend on a Graphics Card.. Somebody has to spend lots of money on Graphics cards, otherwise there's no point in having a high end.. and there's no point in having Games like Crysis which really push your PC. I mean, if people (most people, the mainstream) want to spend around £42/$70 on a Graphics card, then that's fine. If they're happy with that, then good.

There are, however, enthusiasts, just as with anything technical. And they want the very best that can possibly be produced/the very best that they can possibly afford. I spent around £115/$187 on my 4850 back when it had just been released last July, and that was the best I could afford. There are those who will spend more... upwards of £300 for the very very best.

It's just like a petrolhead upgrading their car or motorbike with new engine parts. They want the very best performance for what they can afford. I'm not into cars or motors myself, I'm not really a moving parts/mechanical kind of guy, Silicon and electronics are what get me excited, but I can still understand the enthusiasm, and the desire to upgrade and have the very best you can get. Something you can be proud that you built. Surely anyone can understand this...

[Romaniansoccer]

Originally Posted by TortoiseTimmy

Yeah, ever since I built my new PC, I've actually been coming in the top places on Counter Strike Source.. Something I'd never have been able to do on my old laggy piece of lalalala. It's actually worth playing PC games online.

Yeah, I think Crysis Warhead will be maybe the next PC game I buy... if not ArmA II. I wasn't aware that Crysis Wars came with it, so it's a pleasant surprise to find that out.. And all the more reason to buy it.

As for the discussion on how much you should spend on a Graphics Card.. Somebody has to spend lots of money on Graphics cards, otherwise there's no point in having a high end.. and there's no point in having Games like Crysis which really push your PC. I mean, if people (most people, the mainstream) want to spend around £42/$70 on a Graphics card, then that's fine. If they're happy with that, then good.

There are, however, enthusiasts, just as with anything technical. And they want the very best that can possibly be produced/the very best that they can possibly afford. I spent around £115/$187 on my 4850 back when it had just been released last July, and that was the best I could afford. There are those who will spend more... upwards of £300 for the very very best.

It's just like a petrolhead upgrading their car or motorbike with new engine parts. They want the very best performance for what they can afford. I'm not into cars or motors myself, I'm not really a moving parts/mechanical kind of guy, Silicon and electronics are what get me excited, but I can still understand the enthusiasm, and the desire to upgrade and have the very best you can get. Something you can be proud that you built. Surely anyone can understand this...

Very well said.

[fakyuba]

Originally Posted by Romaniansoccer

Well, most of us are hardcore gamers so we want powerful machines. You can't blame people for buying good hardware. I certainly wouldn't call it waste of money. And some people like me don't just play games. I also do a lot of work with 3D modeling software such as Soldiworks and I need a powerful GPU to render complex items.

Right, but how many people out there use 3D modeling software?

Originally Posted by Smasher4ya

o yea? it's because dumb people like you EA wont upgrade to NG...you cant run fifa with you lalalala video card!!

why you play games? [Removed]

Because they're fun..

We shouldn't be subjected into spending hundreds of dollars in order to be able to play a video game.

[fakyuba]

Originally Posted by Raven_Pwns

10% is laughable since everyone i know who play online FPS (500+) about 450 of them have enough to run Crysis on high.

Right, you know 5 hundred people.

And 450 of them have great gaming computers.




Really, man. Here's a tip - when you bull$itting, make sure it's at least 'close' to believable.

[TortoiseTimmy]

Originally Posted by fakyuba

Right, you know 5 hundred people.

And 450 of them have great gaming computers.




Really, man. Here's a tip - when you bull$itting, make sure it's at least 'close' to believable.

Big Clan, perhaps?

[fakyuba]

Originally Posted by TortoiseTimmy

Big Clan, perhaps?

A big clan consists of maybe 40-50 players tops and you can not be in more than one clan at the same time.

[TortoiseTimmy]

Originally Posted by fakyuba

A big clan consists of maybe 40-50 players tops and you can not be in more than one clan at the same time.

Since when was there a cap on clan sizes?

If you're going to be that way, then maybe he knows them through a large gaming community.

[fakyuba]

Originally Posted by TortoiseTimmy

Since when was there a cap on clan sizes?

If you're going to be that way, then maybe he knows them through a large gaming community.

Of course there is a cap..

How are 500 people going to scrim week in and out? It's usually a small group that gets together and plays constantly, and out of those there are probably only top 20 (or less) players that play in matches.

maybe he knows them through a large gaming community.

That doesn't mean he 'knows' them, as he claims. It would be like me saying I know people on my 'friends list', or even worse - you.

[TortoiseTimmy]

Originally Posted by fakyuba

That doesn't mean he 'knows' them, as he claims. It would be like me saying I know people on my 'friends list', or even worse - you.

People he knows of?

To be honest, I'm not sure why I continue to defend him when he hasn't even bothered to himself.. and I don't even know who he is...

[fakyuba]

Originally Posted by TortoiseTimmy

People he knows of?

Yes, that's his claim.

If he had said something like, there was a poll running at this place - and out of 500 people 450 voted to have great gaming PCs, it would've been believable.

I would still ask for the link, but it would at least been in an area of possibility.

[BLaZiNgSPEED]

I don't think many people have top end graphics cards. And plus that won't be the only factor, processor includes itself too.
If out of 500 people were for example playing Crysis online, it also doesn't mean that all 500 people had great graphics cards. Its also true that some of them have an 8600GT, 7600GT, etc to play online. But we don't know, we didn't ask them. Usually we just play online for the fun, but never ask these questions.

Its just marketing, industries want money and want people to upgrade a new GPU to play the newer games.

You see, there's no perfect thing. All platforms have their side effects. If I was to buy for example a PS3 then although online will be free, but all the games will be very expensive plus the hardware gets outdated.

If I buy now an Xbox 360 (cheaper than a modern graphics card) there's the danger of red ring of death and also for online I would have to spend £40 a year to play online.

So again there's no perfect machine, especially for video gaming. It is a business strategy that companies do to try and take out money from peoples pockets.

At the end I upgraded my GPU, at least that's a better value than buying a new NG Console, which in a few years time I gotto chuck it away to buy a PS4 console. And the amount of money I'll be spending to buy Console games in 3-5 years will probably be over a £1000.

Depends on how many I buy ofcourse. But on average games on Consoles cost £40. If I buy every year 5-6 games 40 x 6=£240. £240 a year, in a few years time well that will reach the price of a gaming PC. And remember, that's just on buying the games only.

[snake25]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

I don't think many people have top end graphics cards. And plus that won't be the only factor, processor includes itself too.
If out of 500 people were for example playing Crysis online, it also doesn't mean that all 500 people had great graphics cards. Its also true that some of them have an 8600GT, 7600GT, etc to play online. But we don't know, we didn't ask them. Usually we just play online for the fun, but never ask these questions.

Its just marketing, industries want money and want people to upgrade a new GPU to play the newer games.

You see, there's no perfect thing. All platforms have their side effects. If I was to buy for example a PS3 then although online will be free, but all the games will be very expensive plus the hardware gets outdated.

If I buy now an Xbox 360 (cheaper than a modern graphics card) there's the danger of red ring of death and also for online I would have to spend £40 a year to play online.

So again there's no perfect machine, especially for video gaming. It is a business strategy that companies do to try and take out money from peoples pockets.

At the end I upgraded my GPU, at least that's a better value than buying a new NG Console, which in a few years time I gotto chuck it away to buy a PS4 console. And the amount of money I'll be spending to buy Console games in 3-5 years will probably be over a £1000.

Depends on how many I buy ofcourse. But on average games on Consoles cost £40. If I buy every year 5-6 games 40 x 6=£240. £240 a year, in a few years time well that will reach the price of a gaming PC. And remember, that's just on buying the games only.

Agree on that.Right now it is a bit harsh to buy a console instead of upgrading your PC.The console hardware is a bit old 3 years for ps3 and 4 for xbox 360(and it has a big fail rate!!!).right now it's a better option to buy upgrades for instead of buying a console.In 2011-2012 an new generation of gaming consoles will be launched ps4 and xbox 720(i hope they will fix that red ring of death issue) then I might consider to buy one.

[BL4ZEFURY]

I own a 4780 ati black edition.

[Ld-dave]

Originally Posted by BLaZiNgSPEED

Yeah that's true.
I play Crysis Wars online and I see tons of players playing it only. Its not like I only see 2 or 3 people online! I see about a thousand people online, especially over the weekends more people play online.

And certainly 10% is an excuse. An excuse simply for not improving the game, its a bit of a laziness though. But lets see how FIFA 10 will turnout.

hahaha. Wow 1000 people with such good computers must mean thats more than the 10% of the market. Obviously Fifa 10 is only marketed to around 10k people around the world instead of many many millions.

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by Ld-dave

hahaha. Wow 1000 people with such good computers must mean thats more than the 10% of the market. Obviously Fifa 10 is only marketed to around 10k people around the world instead of many many millions.

I've always found it so funny that Fifa is held up as the game that most PCs couldn't possibly run!

[gergerger]

The real contradiction is that they take into account little kid's computers, BUT they try to develop the most precise and less arcady football simulation they can get to.

So, if they are working for low end computers, why don't they just make a full arcade game? If they are so obsessed by reality, it's because their users demand it, and only users with good PC's demand such things as far as I know.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

[Ld-dave]

Originally Posted by gergerger

The real contradiction is that they take into account little kid's computers, BUT they try to develop the most precise and less arcady football simulation they can get to.

So, if they are working for low end computers, why don't they just make a full arcade game? If they are so obsessed by reality, it's because their users demand it, and only users with good PC's demand such things as far as I know.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Dont get me wrong I love reality, but I dont need next-gen to get reality. I bet most people who play the game would agree with me when I say this, but the reality factor for me is the ball physics, how players move(which luke said is improved this year) and accurate player values. When it comes to graphics, I could live with 2006 graphics with simply better gameplay. Also transfer prices for players.

[chelseaman5]

It doesn't have to be NG, to be a good and enjoyable game.

[The Doctor76]

Originally Posted by gergerger

The real contradiction is that they take into account little kid's computers, BUT they try to develop the most precise and less arcady football simulation they can get to.

So, if they are working for low end computers, why don't they just make a full arcade game? If they are so obsessed by reality, it's because their users demand it, and only users with good PC's demand such things as far as I know.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

There comes a time when lower end users will have to accept that they will need to upgrade if they want to continue playing the latest games! This stance from EA is beginning to get ridiculous and annoying to boot.

Originally Posted by chelseaman5

It doesn't have to be NG, to be a good and enjoyable game.

Save yourself the time mate and stick it in your sig.

[chelseaman5]

Originally Posted by The Doctor76

Save yourself the time mate and stick it in your sig.

Good idea!